Penn State Sandusky cover-up: AD arrested, Paterno fired, dies; cover-up charged #8

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"Fight on State" In wake of scandal, power struggle spread from Penn State campus to state capital Updated: April 4, 2012, 9:11 AM ET By Don Van Natta Jr.
ESPN The Magazine
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ower-struggle-spread-penn-state-state-capital

A long article on the political manouvering of the scandal has some odd new bits with a different perspective that seems to be coming from the Paterno family side of the story:

"Corbett's office was already piqued about Penn State's knowledge of Sandusky's behavior during the 1998 investigation. McQueary's testimony about that night in 2002 before the grand jury now offered reasons to question university administrators. And, on Dec. 21, 2010, subpoenas were delivered to the office of Penn State general counsel Cynthia Baldwin seeking the grand jury appearances of Paterno, CFO and university police supervisor Schultz and AD Curley. Baldwin told Paterno of his subpoena nearly two weeks after she had received it and offered to accompany him to the grand jury, where she would be representing Curley and Schultz. Paterno declined the offer, telling her he'd get his own lawyer, sources say. Then Baldwin, who declined to comment for this story through Lanny Davis, a spokesman for Penn State's board of trustees, offered to write Paterno talking points for his testimony. The coach told her he would not need them."

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"It was time. The Penn State football team had finished the 2004 season with a record of 4-7. The previous year, the Nittany Lions had gone 3-9. People had begun saying out loud what they had long been whispering: The game has passed Paterno by. The leaders of Penn State agreed that the coach, then 78, should retire.

Paterno would flirt with retirement every year but always return for another season.

Paterno had been thinking the same thing. And he had invited Spanier, Penn State chief financial officer Gary Schultz, athletic director Tim Curley and trustee Steve Garban to his house to discuss the possibility, sources say. But on the Sunday before Thanksgiving in 2004, as the men sat at Paterno's kitchen table nibbling on cookies, he instead announced he wasn't ready to go.

Referring to handwritten notes, Paterno told the men that his team had a run of blown calls and hard-luck injuries. He said it might be hard to believe, but next year's team was only a couple of impact players from a national championship. He told them he deserved the benefit of the doubt. "We are close," he said.

The men just looked at one another. Leaving had been Paterno's idea. "Hey, fellas," Paterno said, his voice rising, "I've raised more than $1 billion for this university -- in this kitchen. I'm not going anywhere. We'll get better."

Sure enough, the Nittany Lions enjoyed a resurgent 2005 season, finishing with a record of 11-1. As the accolades accumulated for the old coach's comeback, Paterno could not help telling reporters how Spanier and others had tried to force him out, while sitting at his kitchen table. "I said, 'Relax. Get off my backside,'" Paterno told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

For the university's leaders, the incident in the kitchen was a powerful reminder of Paterno's staying power. Every year after, he would flirt with retirement. Sometimes, he'd draw up a list of possible successors. (Urban Meyer topped it in 2011.) But after each season, Paterno changed his mind. The trustees resented Paterno's insistence that he'd decide on his successor. "It's not his decision," one said last summer. By then, many of them had lost patience with the old coach and could not wait for him to go."
 
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"Fight on State" In wake of scandal, power struggle spread from Penn State campus to state capital Updated: April 4, 2012, 9:11 AM ET By Don Van Natta Jr.
ESPN The Magazine
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_...ower-struggle-spread-penn-state-state-capital

A long article on the political manouvering of the scandal has some odd new bits with a different perspective that seems to be coming from the Paterno family side of the story:

"Corbett's office was already piqued about Penn State's knowledge of Sandusky's behavior during the 1998 investigation. McQueary's testimony about that night in 2002 before the grand jury now offered reasons to question university administrators. And, on Dec. 21, 2010, subpoenas were delivered to the office of Penn State general counsel Cynthia Baldwin seeking the grand jury appearances of Paterno, CFO and university police supervisor Schultz and AD Curley. Baldwin told Paterno of his subpoena nearly two weeks after she had received it and offered to accompany him to the grand jury, where she would be representing Curley and Schultz. Paterno declined the offer, telling her he'd get his own lawyer, sources say. Then Baldwin, who declined to comment for this story through Lanny Davis, a spokesman for Penn State's board of trustees, offered to write Paterno talking points for his testimony. The coach told her he would not need them."

and

"It was time. The Penn State football team had finished the 2004 season with a record of 4-7. The previous year, the Nittany Lions had gone 3-9. People had begun saying out loud what they had long been whispering: The game has passed Paterno by. The leaders of Penn State agreed that the coach, then 78, should retire.

Paterno would flirt with retirement every year but always return for another season.

Paterno had been thinking the same thing. And he had invited Spanier, Penn State chief financial officer Gary Schultz, athletic director Tim Curley and trustee Steve Garban to his house to discuss the possibility, sources say. But on the Sunday before Thanksgiving in 2004, as the men sat at Paterno's kitchen table nibbling on cookies, he instead announced he wasn't ready to go.

Referring to handwritten notes, Paterno told the men that his team had a run of blown calls and hard-luck injuries. He said it might be hard to believe, but next year's team was only a couple of impact players from a national championship. He told them he deserved the benefit of the doubt. "We are close," he said.

The men just looked at one another. Leaving had been Paterno's idea. "Hey, fellas," Paterno said, his voice rising, "I've raised more than $1 billion for this university -- in this kitchen. I'm not going anywhere. We'll get better."

Sure enough, the Nittany Lions enjoyed a resurgent 2005 season, finishing with a record of 11-1. As the accolades accumulated for the old coach's comeback, Paterno could not help telling reporters how Spanier and others had tried to force him out, while sitting at his kitchen table. "I said, 'Relax. Get off my backside,'" Paterno told the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

For the university's leaders, the incident in the kitchen was a powerful reminder of Paterno's staying power. Every year after, he would flirt with retirement. Sometimes, he'd draw up a list of possible successors. (Urban Meyer topped it in 2011.) But after each season, Paterno changed his mind. The trustees resented Paterno's insistence that he'd decide on his successor. "It's not his decision," one said last summer. By then, many of them had lost patience with the old coach and could not wait for him to go."

How does this relate?
 
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Is this forum to discuss Joe Paterno or Jerry Sandusky?
 
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Ohiogirl- my main interest was that Cynthia Baldwin, who seems to have let the GJ judge's assumption that she was representing Curley and Schultz stand so she could be allowed in to sit and listen, and later said she was never acting as their counsel, is shown here to be offering to represent Paterno and offering to assist in controlling his testimony. The source of the story is not given.

And there has been discussion on list of Paterno's power lying in his threat to stop fundraising.
 
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I think Spanier was called after Schultz. Schultz's office supervised the University Police, the ones that still had the file from 1998. He implied that someone under his control reported it to this child service agency, yet he never told anyone else about it.

County CYS and DPW have no record of it; no police department has a report of it.

Hint: That's why the perjury case is stronger against Schultz. :)
CYS in PA doesn't keep records after the child involved has reached the age of 21 (I think it is 21?) or 10 years after the report. This might be why CYS doesn't have any records.
 
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Thanks for posting that....I think. Ugh.

""And the governor said, 'I told them to do it.' He was proud of it. I told him, 'You don't realize what you have created here. The damage to Penn State is enormous.'"
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/04/...t-decided-to.html#disqus_thread#storylink=cpy

Corbett knew for at least TWO-THREE YEARS that Sandusky was molesting/raping boys. Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee years. Sickening! He should "fire" himself.
 
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Ohiogirl- my main interest was that Cynthia Baldwin, who seems to have let the GJ judge's assumption that she was representing Curley and Schultz stand so she could be allowed in to sit and listen, and later said she was never acting as their counsel, is shown here to be offerring to represent Paterno and offering to assist in controlling his testimony. The source of the story is not given.

And there has been discussion on list of Paterno's power lying in his threat to stop fundraising.

I was especially disgusted to read that Baldwin was going to write talking points for Paterno, confirming that PSU administration wanted to control and coordinate the message.

If you are answering questions truthfully before the GJ, why do you need "talking points"?

Basically, it appears Paterno (and apparently McQueary) didn't go along with the Baldwin plan, opening Curley and Schultz up to perjury charges. There was definitely some conspiring going into the Grand Jury appearances, and ESPN's story seems to be pointing at Corbett as guiding the board's response after the charges were filed.

I wonder how different things would be had McQueary and Paterno toed the company line in their testimony? We probably wouldn't have the perjury charges, but would it have impacted any of the charges against Sandusky?
 
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CYS in PA doesn't keep records after the child involved has reached the age of 21 (I think it is 21?) or 10 years after the report. This might be why CYS doesn't have any records.

They don't even have a reference to the complaint being made. Schultz can't identify the agency he talked to, supposedly. The University Police have no record of it.
 
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Thanks for posting that....I think. Ugh.

""And the governor said, 'I told them to do it.' He was proud of it. I told him, 'You don't realize what you have created here. The damage to Penn State is enormous.'"
http://www.centredaily.com/2012/04/...t-decided-to.html#disqus_thread#storylink=cpy

Corbett knew for at least TWO-THREE YEARS that Sandusky was molesting/raping boys. Threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee years. Sickening! He should "fire" himself.

They only discovered Victim 1 in 2009. They didn't find the other accounts until the late fall of 2010.

Look at the Grand Jury report. They have a slew of corroborative evidence on Victim 1. They spent most of the first year trying to track that down. They basically have only McQueary for Victim 2. They have a lot on Victim 6, but only because they found the report.
 
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Basically, it appears Paterno (and apparently McQueary) didn't go along with the Baldwin plan, opening Curley and Schultz up to perjury charges. There was definitely some conspiring going into the Grand Jury appearances, and ESPN's story seems to be pointing at Corbett as guiding the board's response after the charges were filed.

Central Pennsylvania Gothic. :(

I wonder how different things would be had McQueary and Paterno toed the company line in their testimony? We probably wouldn't have the perjury charges, but would it have impacted any of the charges against Sandusky?

Image what this case would be if they didn't have McQueary or the 1998 report. If you note my other post, they didn't have that stuff until the fall of 2010.
 
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Okay, so I've gone back to late-March when the 1998 story came out and gathered up links for the Media thread (2 long posts worth). I think we are pretty much up-to-date but if anyone notices something I overlooked, please post it there before more stuff hits the fan. :)

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154426"]Penn State's Child Abuse Timeline/Media/Reference NO DISCUSSION - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
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I was especially disgusted to read that Baldwin was going to write talking points for Paterno, confirming that PSU administration wanted to control and coordinate the message.

If you are answering questions truthfully before the GJ, why do you need "talking points"?

Basically, it appears Paterno (and apparently McQueary) didn't go along with the Baldwin plan, opening Curley and Schultz up to perjury charges. There was definitely some conspiring going into the Grand Jury appearances, and ESPN's story seems to be pointing at Corbett as guiding the board's response after the charges were filed.

I wonder how different things would be had McQueary and Paterno toed the company line in their testimony? We probably wouldn't have the perjury charges, but would it have impacted any of the charges against Sandusky?
bbm
Watch a few of the last videos of Joe Pa. He had severe hearing loss and suffered from aphasia.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKAbbLLWRk0"]Joe Paterno Epic Funny Interview with Big Dog Steve Duemig - YouTube[/ame]
 
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4-5-2012: Another Court Appearance for Sandusky
Within 20 minutes the hearing was over and Jerry Sandusky was headed back home where he is under house arrest.
As the judge said, this is a case that is still in flux, meaning there is still an active grand jury investigation that could lead to even more charges.

4-5-2012: Grand Jury Probe Hampers Sandusky Pretrial Hearing
Sandusky arrived at court dressed in a dark suit, white shirt and tie.
Lawyers in the courtroom in Bellefonte, Pa., are arguing over a number of issues, including whether items found by prosecutors in a search of Sandusky's home can be admitted into evidence.
Defense attorney Joe Amendola also has asked Pennsylvania Judge John Cleland to throw out some critical evidence gathered by prosecutors, including electronic intercepts of telephone conversations involving alleged victims and Sandusky.
 
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