People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[Sillybilly]

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Bumping Tricia's post for those who may have missed it:

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Mar 29, 2025

This is not about Jan.6ers. Please stop bringing this up.
If you feel this is too political you do not have to participate.
Thank you,
Tricia

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[BayouBelle_LA]

Deportations without court hearings are more common than you think.​

People who entered with visa waivers and then stayed past the limit aren’t the only ones who could face swift deportation if they get detained.

In recent years, immigration authorities have increasingly fast-tracked their efforts to kick certain people out of the United States without court hearings in a process known as “expedited removal.”

Only about 15% of the roughly 400,000 people who are removed from the United States each year ever go before a judge, according to Greg Chen, advocacy director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

March 3, 2017

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/deportations-without-court-hearings/index.html

 

[Ghostwheel]

I don't think anyone disagrees with illegal immigrants being deported.

What I think people are saying is ...

1. let's make sure they are an illegal immigrant first
2. let's follow the deportation laws

Because it seems like people who are legally in the US are being caught up in the swoop.

imo

IMO, the problem is what is "legally in the US" defined as?

Obviously a vacation is legal as long as no crimes are committed while here. Obviously a green card is legal unless crimes are committed while here. Once a green card is revoked, one is no longer here legally. And if you commit a crime, including but not limited to purposefully trying to get something past customs without declaring it when you know it's required or defacing buildings, then your green card can get revoked. Don't do stupid stuff when you are relying on a green card.

But what about people for whom the immigrant policy was never enforced, but have not become citizens? Because they skated by, are they now somehow immune? Yes, there is a subset that have committed no crimes, but why aren't they on the path to citizenship? Because they came in illegally? Well, there is the problem. That's a crime. If they requested amnesty and went through the proper channels and have not been denied,( just because a case is closed it doesn't mean you get citizenship, you can also be denied) I would consider deportation of that small subset a problem. I've not seen any proof of that yet, waiting to see a case with actual documentation, not just this person said this and that which might be truth and might be half truths and might be lies.

The problem is that media lies. It will tell half truths and depending on the leaning, ICE is all good or all bad, and neither is true.

 

[SouthAussie]

But what about people for whom the immigrant policy was never enforced, but have not become citizens? Because they skated by, are they now somehow immune?

No, they are not immune. They are illegally in the US. I agree there are people who have skated by, under the radar. Have made a nice little life and don't want to give that up. But they always knew they were not legally in the US.

They have been deporting those people for years (as per my previous link). And will keep deporting them. Hopefully humanely.

Not everyone wants to become a US citizen - as a green card holder, I didn't want to become one, and when my time was up in the US I came home. (A green card does not expire, it was a personal choice to come home.)

But people do need to be in any country legally - without the goal posts suddenly shifting for them while they are there.

imo

 

[Kudzuu]

MOO
In my city Friday a msn with 3 children was arrested and jailed by ICE. He had been here for 20 years and his children looked like they were mid teens to 20 years old. They were told if they came up with $1500 they could bail him out. They got the money but he ended up being detained anyway. From the reporting it sounded like he'd let his work visa lapse.

So technically he is illegal. But I suspect he wasn't too worried about it. We have a LOT of Mexicans here that do the menial work that is needed.

At least they left the kids.
The local news had made it clear that you do not have to open your door unless ICE has a judge signed order.

I'll look for a link.

 

[Kudzuu]

Link
ICE detains.....

 

[SouthAussie]

I think at this time all people who know they are in the US illegally need to be very aware of their rights - because they do have certain rights.

What to Do if You Are Arrested or Detained by Immigration

A Know Your Rights resource with general information on what to do if you are stopped, arrested, or detained by immigration or other law enforcement.

www.nilc.org

 

[airportwoman]

That video of Kristi Noem standing in front of those shirtless men at the prison in El Salvador reminded me of Abu Ghraib.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

MSN

Daily Mail

Catholic school teacher who recited prayer for migrants is arrested​

A fired Catholic school teacher was violently wrestled to the ground and put in handcuffs after he stormed a Kansas church's pulpit to pray for migrants.

Jimbo Gillcrist planned to share his own version of the Our Father prayer shortly before the 11am mass at Holy Spirit Catholic Church in Overland Park on March 23, according to the Kansas City Star.

His goal was to speak out against Donald Trump's mass deportation efforts.

But shortly after he paced up to the pulpit at the church he grew up in, Gillcrist was halted by four parishioners - including a deacon.

The group then marched him out of the church, and Gillcrist found himself handcuffed by police and questioned in the back of a police vehicle.
In dramatic audio of the incident, one churchgoer could even be heard asking if anyone was armed - to which two parishioners replied that their weapons were in the car.

'I thought the worst that could happen is maybe they'd try to shut me down and ask me to leave,' Gillcrist told the Star in the aftermath.

'I in no way thought I'd be tackled in a church.'

 

[Izzylizzy]

All of this is true, however, there is a process to revoke a visa which involves alerting the person via letter and then allowing them to have a court hearing after they receive the letter. They cannot just grab someone off the street.

What is the legal process for deporting U.S. green card and visa holders?

Immigration experts said people with visas and green cards have been deported under other administrations, but some of the Trump administration’s actions have been unprecedented.

www.pbs.org

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to El Salvador.
(…)
El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a video on X showing a plane arriving in his country Sunday night. He said "all individuals are confirmed murderers and high-profile offenders, including six child rapists."

Rubio says 17 more 'violent criminals' sent to El Salvador prison

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

www.ktnv.com

 

[SouthAussie]

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to El Salvador.
(…)
El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a video on X showing a plane arriving in his country Sunday night. He said "all individuals are confirmed murderers and high-profile offenders, including six child rapists."

Rubio says 17 more 'violent criminals' sent to El Salvador prison

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

www.ktnv.com

That's a bit confusing. The El Salvador president said that, yet his govt is trying to free 238 people who have now been imprisoned.

This link was at the bottom of your linked article.

Also on Monday, attorneys representing the Venezuelan government filed a legal action in El Salvador to free 238 Venezuelans who are being held in a Salvadoran maximum-security prison after the U.S. deported them.

Judge: 'Nazis got better treatment' than Venezuelans deported from the US this month

A panel of appeals court judges appeared divided Monday on a Trump administration push to lift an order blocking deportation of Venezuelan migrants to El Salvador under an 18th century wartime law.

www.scrippsnews.com

 

[weepingangel]

Documents appear to show how Trump admin identifies Venezuelan gang members: ACLU

President Donald Trump's administration has deported hundreds of alleged members of the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua, to be imprisoned in El Salvador.

abcnews.go.com

 

[keek]

Nothing can be trusted what is said in any situation it turns out in this administration. Grain of salt, any given information.

 

[Lyanna]

Documents appear to show how Trump admin identifies Venezuelan gang members: ACLU

President Donald Trump's administration has deported hundreds of alleged members of the Venezuelan gang, Tren de Aragua, to be imprisoned in El Salvador.

abcnews.go.com

‘Deported because of his tattoos’: has the US targeted Venezuelans for their body art?

US claims tattoos prove membership of Tren de Aragua gang but relatives describe tributes to God, family and Real Madrid

www.theguardian.com

Really hope that they used more accurate and legal ways of identifying who they state is a TDA gang member. None of these men in above article have gang affiliated ink. Seems they were only targeted because of their nationality and their tattoos.
Disturbing to say the very least.
Can not trust this administration to follow the law, don't know why I'm surprised - there's a bloody convicted felon as the president ffs. Clearly anything goes in America these days, except free speech, human rights, civil rights, free press.

Moo
Ebm

 

[DS2021]

'Many' alleged gang members deported by Trump didn't have criminal records in the US: ICE

Many of the noncitizens deported pursuant to the Alien Enemies Act did not have criminal records, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official said in a sworn filing.

abcnews.go.com

Many of the noncitizens who were deported pursuant to the Alien Enemies Act on Saturday did not have criminal records in the United States, an Immigration and Customs Enforcement official said in a sworn filing overnight.

In a sworn declaration, ICE Acting Field Office Director of Enforcement and Removal Operations Robert Cerna argued that "the lack of specific information about each individual actually highlights the risk they pose" and "demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile."

 

[DS2021]

If they were here illegally, and came from a developing country, I don't understand why a lack of information would he a red flag.

Wouldn't that be expected?

 

[Bibbers]

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to El Salvador.
(…)
El Salvador President Nayib Bukele posted a video on X showing a plane arriving in his country Sunday night. He said "all individuals are confirmed murderers and high-profile offenders, including six child rapists."

Rubio says 17 more 'violent criminals' sent to El Salvador prison

The U.S. has sent another group of suspected gang members to a notorious prison in El Salvador, according to Secretary of State Marco Rubio.

www.ktnv.com

I don't know. I don't believe a word anyone in this administration says. I mean, they've been lying about absolutely everything for going on ten years. In fact, I don't think I can think of a time when I thought any of them were telling the truth. Sad but true. MOO.

 

[keek]

I don't know. I don't believe a word anyone in this administration says. I mean, they've been lying about absolutely everything for going on ten years. In fact, I don't think I can think of a time when I thought any of them were telling the truth. Sad but true. MOO.

You've been watching and listening and using your thinking abilities and applying them. Good character as well. You see what is not right on all levels. Good job SADLY though is right.

 

[SouthAussie]

If they were here illegally, and came from a developing country, I don't understand why a lack of information would he a red flag.

Wouldn't that be expected?

If they were criminals, there would be records.

It is like credit. If you have bad credit there are records, a credit rating. If you have good credit there is nothing.

imo