People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[Ladyotm]

"The White House is facing fresh backlash after posting a video celebrating migrant deportations - the second in recent weeks - featuring detainees being processed to the tune of the pop hit 'Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye'.

"This is ghoulish behaviour. Sociopathic. Shame on you," wrote one user.
Another said, "It would be great if you guys stopped with the dehumanising posts! It's disgusting." "

'Na na, hey hey, goodbye': White House's new deportation video sparks backlash

The White House is facing fresh backlash after posting a video celebrating migrant deportations - the second in recent weeks - featuring detainees being processed to the tune of the pop hit 'Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye'.

www.indiatoday.in

This is absolutely disgusting and disrespectful, which IMO, is a characteristic for many leaders in this administration.
I would like to know what can and will be done about those that ignore these people's rights and judge's orders. Will arrests be made?

 

[Ladyotm]

I’ve lived in several countries, on work visas, and on perm resident type visas.

America, taking action on visa over-stayers, people who have been dishonest on applications/landing documents, using documents of others, have committed crimes is exactly what other nations do.

Other nations take more aggressive action with large financial penalties for staying beyond the visa expiry. They catch you at the airport on departure and fine you thousands of dollars and may put you in prison. A tourist, or student, or worker staying beyond visa date is breaking the law. AND can NEVER return, or not for 5 or 10 years. They don’t care if you have children or a wife … if person not there legally, they cannot stay.

What is strange, is that America Stopped taking action. America stopped giving a crap about who was in country, who was breaking the law by overstaying or who was lying on their applications or using documents of others.

Each country where I worked/resided in, prior to visa being awarded, required me to fund a thorough vetting process with police, bankruptcy, fraud and checks on civil lawsuits.

Work visa required me to leave if job ended or face penalties. My address needed to be logged with immigration at all times.

At all times, in each country, I was aware that I was a guest (even perm resident), and my behavior and behavior of family needed to be 100% clean and legal.

Don’t understand why America enforcing its immigration rules is seen as wrong.

I think you are misunderstanding what is happening.Yes, some people who, as you say, have "overstayed their visas, been dishonest on documents, or committed crimes are being deported". However, it seems many more who are here legally are being deported The government is claiming MANY people are part of a gang, but not allowing them due process to prove their innocence. The government is acting illegally at this point. IMO

As for suddenly revoking Visas because someone has said something that is NOT illegal, but that THE GOVERNMENT doesn't like or agree with with, is not only illegal, but morally wrong.As is, signaling out specific countries to suddenly suspend legal resident status for, with illogical reasoning.

Enforcing the rules legally and without bias and prejudice are fine, but that is NOT what is happening here, IMO.

 

[Izzylizzy]

"The cards are part of a program through which foreigners could fast-track a path to U.S. citizenship.

Such a program would be similar to the existing EB-5 visa program, which the U.S. began in 1990 to encourage job creation by foreign investors.

Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick has said the "gold card" system would replace the EB-5 visa program. Lutnick emphasized that all applicants would receive thorough vetting, and suggested the proceeds of the program could go toward reducing the national debt."

Trump shows off $5M 'gold card' that provides path to citizenship for foreigners

President Trump on Thursday showed reporters an example of the gold card he has proposed that would give wealthy immigrants a pathway to citizenship for $5 million.

www.scrippsnews.com

Under the old program permanent jobs for 10 qualified US workers is required and I see nothing that even comes close to paying $5 million.

EB-5 Immigrant Investor Program | USCIS

www.uscis.gov

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I think you are misunderstanding what is happening.Yes, some people who, as you say, have "overstayed their visas, been dishonest on documents, or committed crimes are being deported". However, it seems many more who are here legally are being deported The government is claiming MANY people are part of a gang, but not allowing them due process to prove their innocence. The government is acting illegally at this point. IMO

As for suddenly revoking Visas because someone has said something that is NOT illegal, but that THE GOVERNMENT doesn't like or agree with with, is not only illegal, but morally wrong.As is, signaling out specific countries to suddenly suspend legal resident status for, with illogical reasoning.

Enforcing the rules legally and without bias and prejudice are fine, but that is NOT what is happening here, IMO.

Going back to my own experience in other nations … these persons would already have been jailed or deported….
There nations take boarders seriously.
The other governments would not even bother to spend one penny of their own resources funding court to “determine” a non-citizen person’s gang status.

Before leaving home country, fund your own legal documentation to be admitted to USA with your references, criminal or not records, proof of funds, etc etc

It’s strange how America has twisted its immigration process into a many tiered and uncontrolled unmanaged system that rest of world knows is easy to exploit.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Visas revoked for more than 3 dozen California university students and alumni

Sec. of State Marco Rubio said the government has revoked at least 300 student visas after high-profile detainments of several pro-Palestinian scholars.

www.nbcnews.com

Visas revoked for more than 3 dozen California university students and alumni​

 

[nhmemorymaker]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

—Martin Niemöller

Martin Niemöller: "First they came for the Socialists..."

Learn about the origins and legacy of Pastor Martin Niemöller's famous postwar words, “First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out…”

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

One of the best quotes ever.

 

[kaen]

Who knows who will be next? Not just about being non-documented anymore........ just gonna purge anyone who doesn't think like the administration. So much for enabling people to get educated and spread democracy.

 

[Baby baby Jane]

I think you are misunderstanding what is happening.Yes, some people who, as you say, have "overstayed their visas, been dishonest on documents, or committed crimes are being deported". However, it seems many more who are here legally are being deported The government is claiming MANY people are part of a gang, but not allowing them due process to prove their innocence. The government is acting illegally at this point. IMO

As for suddenly revoking Visas because someone has said something that is NOT illegal, but that THE GOVERNMENT doesn't like or agree with with, is not only illegal, but morally wrong.As is, signaling out specific countries to suddenly suspend legal resident status for, with illogical reasoning.

Enforcing the rules legally and without bias and prejudice are fine, but that is NOT what is happening here, IMO.

There is a lot of news reporting of revoking & deporting of visa holders … but no information that confirms that reason is that any “said” wrong thing.
Kordia is one with expired visa (2022) … seems correct that she should leave. The other one lied by omission on application - these are “cause” for deportation.

I like to know the details before drawing conclusions … I don’t know at what point foreign nations on visa getting deported reason is public record, if it ever is public info.
The Universities say privacy & cannot divulge student details.
It is probably very easy using tech to compare visa expiry to passport departure from USA. Or if you are a student no longer attending your course or associated work/training, uni must report this & you must leave.
If you are still in USA in violation of terms of visa or work permit - they will be looking for you because your permission to be in USA is no longer valid.

IMO - no cause for outrage until facts are known.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

The US basically kidnapped this woman from her Canadian holiday. They couldn't have just ushered her back over to the Canadian side rather than shipping her off to a detention centre in Tacoma?

There were other tourists, too. Bana, from Romania, was on holiday in Canada and visited Peace Arch park, on the international boundary between the US and Canada. She told Becky she had been taking selfies with her husband when a US border official told her they had strayed into American territory without the right visa and took her into custody.

I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre

Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it

www.theguardian.com

Wikipedia says this about the park (doesn't seem to apply anymore?).

Between the two border stations sits the Peace Arch Park, where visitors are free to cross the border within the confines of the park.

Peace Arch Border Crossing - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

About 500,000 people visit the Peace Arch each year. The monument and surrounding park is considered an international park. As such, visitors do not require either a passport or visa to pass through their applicable border crossing so long as they stay within the boundaries of the park and leave the park into the country from which they entered the park.

Peace Arch Park - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

The US basically kidnapped this woman from her Canadian holiday. They couldn't have just ushered her back over to the Canadian side rather than shipping her off to a detention centre in Tacoma?

There were other tourists, too. Bana, from Romania, was on holiday in Canada and visited Peace Arch park, on the international boundary between the US and Canada. She told Becky she had been taking selfies with her husband when a US border official told her they had strayed into American territory without the right visa and took her into custody.

I was a British tourist trying to leave America. Then I was detained, shackled and sent to an immigration detention centre

Graphic artist Rebecca Burke was on the trip of a lifetime. But as she tried to leave the US she was stopped, interrogated and branded an illegal alien by ICE. Now back home, she tells others thinking of going to Trump’s America: don’t do it

www.theguardian.com

Wikipedia says this about the park (doesn't seem to apply anymore?).

Between the two border stations sits the Peace Arch Park, where visitors are free to cross the border within the confines of the park.

Peace Arch Border Crossing - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

About 500,000 people visit the Peace Arch each year. The monument and surrounding park is considered an international park. As such, visitors do not require either a passport or visa to pass through their applicable border crossing so long as they stay within the boundaries of the park and leave the park into the country from which they entered the park.

Peace Arch Park - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Canada doesn’t want illegal people crossing into their country and that’s why they kicked her out. Good on Canada! Why should the United States accept her when she’s here illegally. This woman should have figured out the proper documentation before traveling. Just because she managed to get away with it previously doesn’t mean she can now. imo

From the article -
Workaway warns users that they “will need the correct visa for any country that you visit”, and that it is the user’s responsibility to get one, but it doesn’t stipulate what the correct visa is for the kind of arrangements it facilitates in any given country. Becky had always travelled with a tourist visa in the past – including to the US in 2022 – without any problems. She checked that work visas were only required for paid work in Canada. She had had months to plan her trip, and would have applied for a work visa if it was necessary, she says.

But the Canadian officials told Becky they’d determined she needed a work visa. She could apply for one from the US and come back, they said. Two officers escorted her to the American side of the border. They talked to the US officials. Becky doesn’t know what was said.

 

[Mo Thuairim]

Canada doesn’t want illegal people crossing into their country and that’s why they kicked her out. Why should the United States accept her when she’s here illegally. This woman should have figured out the proper documentation before traveling. Just because she managed to get away with it previously doesn’t mean she can now. imo

From the article -
Workaway warns users that they “will need the correct visa for any country that you visit”, and that it is the user’s responsibility to get one, but it doesn’t stipulate what the correct visa is for the kind of arrangements it facilitates in any given country. Becky had always travelled with a tourist visa in the past – including to the US in 2022 – without any problems. She checked that work visas were only required for paid work in Canada. She had had months to plan her trip, and would have applied for a work visa if it was necessary, she says.

But the Canadian officials told Becky they’d determined she needed a work visa. She could apply for one from the US and come back, they said. Two officers escorted her to the American side of the border. They talked to the US officials. Becky doesn’t know what was said.

I was referring to Bana. Not Becky.

 

[SouthAussie]

What is strange, is that America Stopped taking action. America stopped giving a crap about who was in country, who was breaking the law by overstaying or who was lying on their applications or using documents of others.

The US did not stop taking action. You may want to do some research on deportations over the years.

For example - as I posted earlier in this thread - from the Migration Policy Institute .....

"The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office."

Comparing the Biden and Trump Deportation Records

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...

www.migrationpolicy.org

 

[SouthAussie]

The US basically kidnapped this woman from her Canadian holiday. They couldn't have just ushered her back over to the Canadian side rather than shipping her off to a detention centre in Tacoma?

They could have just let her get on a plane and fly out. In the article she says she had the funds to fly out, she wanted to fly out.

Instead they wasted more taxpayer funds, put her in jail for 19 days, then let her fly out. Not sure whose dollar she flew out on, at that point.

 

[iamshadow21]

Chinese woman detained by US border patrol in Arizona dies by suicide

Officials reportedly didn’t publicly acknowledge death until inquiries were made about woman, 52, who overstayed visa

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lyanna]

Who knows who will be next? Not just about being non-documented anymore........ just gonna purge anyone who doesn't think like the administration. So much for enabling people to get educated and spread democracy.

Seems to be some sort of "cleansing" programme going on in the US. I've actually gagged typing that, what's happening in the States is disturbing to say the very least. It's something akin to Nazi Germany. It's outrageous and frankly disgusting.

Moo, jmo and imo

 

[Summerliz03]

The US did not stop taking action. You may want to do some research on deportations over the years.

For example - as I posted earlier in this thread - from the Migration Policy Institute .....

"The 1.1 million deportations since the beginning of fiscal year (FY) 2021 through February 2024 (the most recent data available) are on pace to match the 1.5 million deportations carried out during the four years President Donald Trump was in office."

Comparing the Biden and Trump Deportation Records

The Biden administration is on pace to carry out as many deportations as the Trump administration, although an overwhelming number have come in the form of voluntary returns at the border, rather than removals of unauthorized immigrants from the U.S. interior. This shift has echoes of earlier...

www.migrationpolicy.org

The real “problem” IMO is that Donald Trump and other republicans have been convincing MAGA that undocumented migrants or anyone who overstayed their visa or who is not in this country legally is a “huge huge” (to quote DJT’s favorite word) problem. They are all criminals who are ruining our country and they are responsible for everything that’s going wrong. They are taking our jobs, they are violent, they are all on public assistance. They started the whole fake story about Haitian migrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs and that thousands of Venezuelan gang members had taken over apartment buildings in Colorado. This has dominated the right wing media for YEARS now.

Illegal immigrants and undocumented migrants aren’t coming into the country in any higher numbers than ever before and our deportation numbers are the same as they have been for years. But a lot of people are convinced it’s a huge terrible problem in this country. They have sensationalized this issue for a long time and this is now the results All MOO

 

[realanastasia]

IMO, it sure seems odd that one of the architects behind this anti-democratic purge of “undesirables” from the U.S. is a guy who entered this country—MY country—on a student visa, then proceeded shortly thereafter to drop out of his graduate program—violating the terms of his visa—and start (illegally) working to enrich himself without being legally entitled to do so. I guess it’s a forgivable offense if you’re a certain kind of person, hmm?

Elon Musk worked in US illegally in 1995 after quitting school – report

Washington Post contrasts the episode with the South African multibillionaire’s anti-immigration views

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk’s Stanford ties raise questions about legal status

Elon Musk allegedly attended Stanford to secure legal status before starting his first company, but University records reveal Musk never enrolled.

stanforddaily.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/10/26/elon-musk-immigration-status/

.Or if you are a student no longer attending your course or associated work/training, uni must report this & you must leave.
If you are still in USA in violation of terms of visa or work permit - they will be looking for you because your permission to be in USA is no longer valid.

 

[Vern]

I’ve lived in several countries, on work visas, and on perm resident type visas.

America, taking action on visa over-stayers, people who have been dishonest on applications/landing documents, using documents of others, have committed crimes is exactly what other nations do.

Other nations take more aggressive action with large financial penalties for staying beyond the visa expiry. They catch you at the airport on departure and fine you thousands of dollars and may put you in prison. A tourist, or student, or worker staying beyond visa date is breaking the law. AND can NEVER return, or not for 5 or 10 years. They don’t care if you have children or a wife … if person not there legally, they cannot stay.

What is strange, is that America Stopped taking action. America stopped giving a crap about who was in country, who was breaking the law by overstaying or who was lying on their applications or using documents of others.

Each country where I worked/resided in, prior to visa being awarded, required me to fund a thorough vetting process with police, bankruptcy, fraud and checks on civil lawsuits.

Work visa required me to leave if job ended or face penalties. My address needed to be logged with immigration at all times.

At all times, in each country, I was aware that I was a guest (even perm resident), and my behavior and behavior of family needed to be 100% clean and legal.

Don’t understand why America enforcing its immigration rules is seen as wrong.

The difference being that those in other countries are provided 'due process' if they've made it into the country in question in the first place and 'overstayed' etc.

These aren't people being turned out at the border upon arrival. Because they are IN the US they are entitled to that constitutional due process which they are currently NOT getting.

As well, those other nations whom you write of are deprting back to home nations after that due process and are NOT 'exporting' to a prison system in a third nation (without neither due process or conviction of a crime having been comitted).

What I find strange is the ability of a great many people to just write those facts off as "oh well; business as usual". It certainly is not.

IMO.

I've already linked the Constitutional ammendment that is being breached a few times in here along with the SCOTUS decision that confirms that it applies to all person "regardless of citizenship".

 

[AkitasAreLovely]

IMO, it sure seems odd that one of the architects behind this anti-democratic purge of “undesirables” from the U.S. is a guy who entered this country—MY country—on a student visa, then proceeded shortly thereafter to drop out of his graduate program—violating the terms of his visa—and start (illegally) working to enrich himself without being legally entitled to do so. I guess it’s a forgivable offense if you’re a certain kind of person, hmm?

Elon Musk worked in US illegally in 1995 after quitting school – report

Washington Post contrasts the episode with the South African multibillionaire’s anti-immigration views

www.theguardian.com

Elon Musk’s Stanford ties raise questions about legal status

Elon Musk allegedly attended Stanford to secure legal status before starting his first company, but University records reveal Musk never enrolled.

stanforddaily.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/10/26/elon-musk-immigration-status/

Elon is a rich fascist who is dumping money to the Republican party. Of course they wouldn't deport him; double standards mean nothing to these people, and it's absolutely not odd at all.

Also hilarious that he was whining about George Soros and outside money from the "left" coming into the Wisconsin supreme court race when he was dumping 25+ million to the Republican backed candidate and giving people 1 million dollar checks out in the open.

 

[AkitasAreLovely]

The real “problem” IMO is that Donald Trump and other republicans have been convincing MAGA that undocumented migrants or anyone who overstayed their visa or who is not in this country legally is a “huge huge” (to quote DJT’s favorite word) problem. They are all criminals who are ruining our country and they are responsible for everything that’s going wrong. They are taking our jobs, they are violent, they are all on public assistance. They started the whole fake story about Haitian migrants in Ohio eating cats and dogs and that thousands of Venezuelan gang members had taken over apartment buildings in Colorado. This has dominated the right wing media for YEARS now.

Illegal immigrants and undocumented migrants aren’t coming into the country in any higher numbers than ever before and our deportation numbers are the same as they have been for years. But a lot of people are convinced it’s a huge terrible problem in this country. They have sensationalized this issue for a long time and this is now the results All MOO

Exactly, they kept harping about undocumented people and managed to control the narrative and push the Overton window way to the right. Of course, local media and law enforcement certainly helped to drum up this fake hysteria as well, and Democrats did not do an effective counter messaging, like mass amnesty or easier pathways to citizenship, which is broadly popular.