People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[BeginnerSleuther]

All the gaslighting. Man, we could made a sequel to the blockbuster movie.

MOO.

 

[HmmMysterious]

because he was legally deported in 2019. he could have been taken any time, any where and deported to any other country than el salvador... until 2025 when thing changed. all those years under a legal deportation order he ignored.

jmo

He wasn't. A judge granted him protection that should've prevented Kilmar from being deported to El Salvador or anywhere else.

https://www.npr.org/2025/04/04/nx-s...n-man-who-was-mistakenly-deported-el-salvador

 

[tlcya]

because he was legally deported in 2019. he could have been taken any time, any where and deported to any other country than el salvador... until 2025 when thing changed. all those years under a legal deportation order he ignored.

jmo

actually he wasn't legally deported anywhere in 2019. And when the judge in the immigration case ruled he could not be deported he then continued to check in with immigration authorities annually.

Abrego Garcia was in the country illegally, but an immigration judge in 2019 — after reviewing evidence — withheld his removal. That meant that Abrego Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador. A gang in his native country, the immigration judge found, had been “targeting him and threatening him with death because of his family’s pupusa business.”
[snip]
But in the six years between his immigration hearing and his deportation, Abrego Garcia checked in with immigration officials annually and was never charged with a crime, court records show.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/07/politics/supreme-court-el-salvador-abrego-garcia/index.html

 

[tarabull]

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[fred&edna]

actually he wasn't legally deported anywhere in 2019. And when the judge in the immigration case ruled he could not be deported he then continued to check in with immigration authorities annually.

Abrego Garcia was in the country illegally, but an immigration judge in 2019 — after reviewing evidence — withheld his removal. That meant that Abrego Garcia could not be deported to El Salvador. A gang in his native country, the immigration judge found, had been “targeting him and threatening him with death because of his family’s pupusa business.”
[snip]
But in the six years between his immigration hearing and his deportation, Abrego Garcia checked in with immigration officials annually and was never charged with a crime, court records show.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/07/politics/supreme-court-el-salvador-abrego-garcia/index.html

yes, i've read that, and i'm aware. however, he was ruled to be deported by the judge in 2019... the judge only granted the request that he wouldn't be deported to el salvador, he was not granted asylum. all of this has been discussed previously in the thread.




jmo

 

[HmmMysterious]

yes, i've read that, and i'm aware. however, he was ruled to be deported by the judge in 2019... the judge only granted the request that he wouldn't be deported to el salvador, he was not granted asylum. all of this has been discussed previously in the thread.




jmo

Repeating this again, why? When I literally debunked it in post 423.

 

[fred&edna]

Repeating this again, why? When I literally debunked it in post 423.

from your link in 423 which didn't debunk anything

Abrego Garcia was arrested and deported last month — despite having been granted protection by an immigration judge in 2019 that should have prevented him from being deported to El Salvador.



see post 377.

and, i'll add you didn't succeed when trying to debunk my posting of the actual scotus ruling earlier. in fact, posting a quote by a district judge... totally not scotus.

i won't keep rehashing this with anyone no matter how many times it keeps being directed to me.
i'm tough but this has all become ridiculous in an effort try to prove i'm providing incorrect information in my posts. everything i've posted has been linked with factual information.

jmo

 

[fred&edna]

i wonder... again, just wondering... if the alien enemies act has to acknowledge abrego-garcia's request not to be deported to el salvador back in 2019 even though the judge granted it. i don't know, but maybe it's possible.
jmo

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

i wonder... again, just wondering... if the alien enemies act has to acknowledge abrego-garcia's request not to be deported to el salvador back in 2019 even though the judge granted it. i don't know, but maybe it's possible.
jmo

If El Salvador happens to return him to the US then the US will likely go through the process of having him deported back to El Salvador. It’s my understanding that he is a citizen of El Salvador. The US can’t deport him to another country. imo

 

[Lyanna]

from your link in 423 which didn't debunk anything

Abrego Garcia was arrested and deported last month — despite having been granted protection by an immigration judge in 2019 that should have prevented him from being deported to El Salvador.



see post 377.

and, i'll add you didn't succeed when trying to debunk my posting of the actual scotus ruling earlier. in fact, posting a quote by a district judge... totally not scotus.

i won't keep rehashing this with anyone no matter how many times it keeps being directed to me.
i'm tough but this has all become ridiculous in an effort try to prove i'm providing incorrect information in my posts. everything i've posted has been linked with factual information.

jmo

Personally I think it's that a man who was protected from deportation to El Salvador was actually deported and cited to be a criminal despite not having a criminal record and he wasn't afforded the opportunity of a trial, to which he is entitled too. Those are the facts. Correct?
The people who voted Trump are absolutely failing to see that this is a despicable act of itself and it, in turn, will lead to further despicable acts and at which point that next person making such headlines, could be a family member of yours. This man was a protected citizen and he also had rights as a human that have been violated in the most grotesque way. Trump voters fail to see this because they are so inherently fearful, or they perceive themselves to be wronged or overlooked somehow or are jealous of others and what they have that they seek to punish others. It's how it is with all authoritarian governments, the elected leader recognises and sees that and manipulates it consistently and continually, always pushing that fear and jealousy in their supporters.
Just find it so sad, that people who live 1000's of miles and oceans apart from you, care more about what is happening in America and to all the people of America more than those who claim America First.
It's not America First. It's "me first". That's what it all boils down to, when we strip everything back.

America has a toxic and corrupt administration. An administration that is self serving, an administration that is harmful and abusive, an administration that finds it appropriate to refer to people as 'peasants' or 'retarded', an administration that has identified people as a criminal gang member based on tattoos ffs. God help every single American with a tattoo! Any one of them could be deported to El Salvador on a clerical error.

Moo, jmo, imo

 

[keek]

Personally I think it's that a man who was protected from deportation to El Salvador was actually deported and cited to be a criminal despite not having a criminal record and he wasn't afforded the opportunity of a trial, to which he is entitled too. Those are the facts. Correct?
The people who voted Trump are absolutely failing to see that this is a despicable act of itself and it, in turn, will lead to further despicable acts and at which point that next person making such headlines, could be a family member of yours. This man was a protected citizen and he also had rights as a human that have been violated in the most grotesque way. Trump voters fail to see this because they are so inherently fearful, or they perceive themselves to be wronged or overlooked somehow or are jealous of others and what they have that they seek to punish others. It's how it is with all authoritarian governments, the elected leader recognises and sees that and manipulates it consistently and continually, always pushing that fear and jealousy in their supporters.
Just find it so sad, that people who live 1000's of miles and oceans apart from you, care more about what is happening in America and to all the people of America more than those who claim America First.
It's not America First. It's "me first". That's what it all boils down to, when we strip everything back.

America has a toxic and corrupt administration. An administration that is self serving, an administration that is harmful and abusive, an administration that finds it appropriate to refer to people as 'peasants' or 'retarded', an administration that has identified people as a criminal gang member based on tattoos ffs. God help every single American with a tattoo! Any one of them could be deported to El Salvador on a clerical error.

Moo, jmo, imo

You are seeing the t supporters as clearly as stated. It is horribly mind shattering that what you say and thousands others, here and across the oceans see it and not the people who are supporting an administration, if that is what is the understandable term to some, that it is not even close to what they think it is for them. It was never for them. It is not for the rest of us. It is only, clearer each minute, for the select ones to grab any and all available forms of currency for themselves, it always was. Follow the money that they are taking from all sources available they can and ridding themselves of people who are not white, straight males or the useful females they use as mouthpieces. My opinion as seeing it.

 

[SouthAussie]

There was a clerical error. He is supposed to be released in July. I think that will still happen. imo

Thank you for the update. His lawyer must have found out what happened.

 

[Simply Southern]

I've attached the Supreme Court ruling for Kilmar, from the SSC website. The order clearly kicks it back to the lower court, needing clarification/definition of the verbage for the order. Once clarified, it may in fact exceed the districts authority.

No, the Supreme Court did not demand his return. The court must clarify the order and then determine if this exceeds their authority, as implied by the SSCourt ruling.
.....
"The rest of the District Court’s order
remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The
order properly requires the Government to “facilitate”
Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to
ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had
he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended
scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order
is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s
authority. The District Court should clarify its directive,
with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive
Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the
Government should be prepared to share what it can con-
cerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further
steps. The order heretofore entered by THE CHIEF JUSTICE
is vacated."

 

[Simply Southern]

If El Salvador happens to return him to the US then the US will likely go through the process of having him deported back to El Salvador. It’s my understanding that he is a citizen of El Salvador. The US can’t deport him to another country. imo

Moo... I watched the Oval Office press conference today. The El Salvador President is very clear he's not returning him.

 

[SouthAussie]

Personally I think it's that a man who was protected from deportation to El Salvador was actually deported and cited to be a criminal despite not having a criminal record and he wasn't afforded the opportunity of a trial, to which he is entitled too. Those are the facts ..................... an administration that has identified people as a criminal gang member based on tattoos

In the articles I posted earlier about the El Salvadore mega-prison, this is exactly what El Salvadore (a designated 3rd world country) did.

They rounded up all of the "gang members", that is people with tattoos. And imprisoned them in the mega-prison without due process. No court hearings, no proof required. And capturing innocents in the round-up.

imo

 

[Simply Southern]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5245397-supreme-court-donald-trump-wiggle-room-mistaken-deportation-decision/

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The dynamic is on full display as the Justice Department declines to step on the gas to return Abrego Garcia.

“As the Supreme Court correctly recognized, it is the exclusive prerogative of the President to conduct foreign affairs. By directly noting the deference owed to the Executive Branch, this ruling once again illustrates that activist judges do not have the jurisdiction to seize control of the President’s authority to conduct foreign policy,” a DOJ spokesman said late Thursday.

 

[SouthAussie]

Moo... I watched the Oval Office press conference today. The El Salvador President is very clear he's not returning him.

Mr Garcia is under a death sentence, if he is still alive. There is absolutely no hope left for him and his family.

And Trump would like 5 more El Salvadore prisons so he can send more people to this lawless country.

On your tax dollar, of course.

imo

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5245397-supreme-court-donald-trump-wiggle-room-mistaken-deportation-decision/

.....
The dynamic is on full display as the Justice Department declines to step on the gas to return Abrego Garcia.

“As the Supreme Court correctly recognized, it is the exclusive prerogative of the President to conduct foreign affairs. By directly noting the deference owed to the Executive Branch, this ruling once again illustrates that activist judges do not have the jurisdiction to seize control of the President’s authority to conduct foreign policy,” a DOJ spokesman said late Thursday.

This is as bad as denying he lost the election in 2020. I see a pattern.

MOO.

 

[SouthAussie]

"If an immigrant who the government claims is a gang member can be deported to El Salvador without any due process rights, then why not a U.S. citizen?

Trump discussed the issue in the White House with El Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele, who has agreed to deposit people deported from the U.S. into a notorious prison.

During Monday’s White House meeting, Trump said that Attorney General Pam Bondi is "studying the law." "

'Obviously illegal': Experts pan Trump's plan to deport U.S. citizens

Trump has suggested that "homegrown" criminals who have been convicted of certain crimes should be deported, but the idea raises significant legal questions.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Simply Southern]

Clearly states the president has sole authority for deportation or imprisonment. Also note, it doesn't require a crime of any type.

Wish I could remember the name of a book I read in the '80s. It was about a community in California of Japanese immigrants. The government passed out flyers giving them 24 hours to liquidate their assets and report to special buses to a detention camp near the Canadian border. They weren't detained for years, no hearing, no court, just rounded up under presidential order. Moo...

Alien and Sedition Acts (1798)

EnlargeDownload Link Citation: An Act Concerning Aliens, July 6, 1798; Fifth Congress; Enrolled Acts and Resolutions; General Records of the United States Government; Record Group 11; National Archives. View the Alien Act in the National Archives Catalog View the Sedition Act in the National...

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SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies. And the President of the United States shall be, and he is hereby authorized, in any event, as aforesaid, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, towards the aliens who shall become liable, as aforesaid; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject, and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those, who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, shall refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which shall be found necessary in the premises and for the public safety: Provided, that aliens resident within the United States, who shall become liable as enemies, in the manner aforesaid, and who shall not be chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of their goods and effects, and for their departure, the full time which is, or shall be stipulated by any treaty, where any shall have been between the United States, and the hostile nation or government, of which they shall be natives, citizens, denizens or subjects: and where no such treaty shall have existed, the President of the United States may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.