People being detained and "exported" by ICE

[fred&edna]

An immigration judge believed Garcia so I'm not sure why others question the judge's understanding, authority, and subsequent order. This is why a judge ruled that Garcia could remain in the US:

from: U.S. senator to travel to El Salvador if Trump won’t return wrongfully deported man - National | Globalnews.ca

Abrego Garcia denies being part of the gang and has never been charged with a crime, according to his lawyers.

In 2019, a U.S. immigration judge shielded Abrego Garcia from deportation to El Salvador as he would likely have faced persecution by local gangs that had extorted his family for rent money in San Salvador, and who had threatened to rape and kill his siblings, according to the Associated Press.

a judge ruled abrego-garcia an ms-13 gang member and be deported. abrego-garcia requested asylum and a judge only granted that he not be deported to el salvador. nevertheless, the judge ruled he was still to be deported. i've provided many acceptable/real links previously in this thread... if you want - i will post them yet again.

in 2025 ms-13 gang members - of which abrego-garcia was judged with his rank and gang name - were designated as global terrorists. so, he's to be deported to his country of origin... el salvador.

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS By the authority vested in me as

www.whitehouse.gov

and, from my understanding .... just my understanding... and you are, as always most very welcome to show me the laws and policies that refute my understanding... a person illegally residing in the usa who is designated a global terrorist no longer has the right/privilege avoiding his being sent to his country of origin - el salvador.


also, simply because a representative flies to el salvador stating that there were no criminal charges against abrego-garcia... doesn't change the illegal status of abrego-garcia judged in 2019, in addition to the global terrorism designation and the alien enemies act of 2025. particularly if you watch the link i previously provided in which the deputy chief of staff tries to explain to reporters.

the executive power of the elected president - elected by the majority of us voters - was set forth in our us constitution long before president trump took office. there is no constitutional dilemma caused by president trump. the only dilemmas appear to me to be those of recent individuals attempting to ignore or failing to understand the separate powers of the us branches government that have existed since the 1700's.

jmo/understanding accompanied by the most official link i can provide atm.

 

[Sillybilly]

and, from my understanding .... just my understanding... and you are, as always most very welcome to show me the laws and policies that refute my understanding... a person illegally residing in the usa who is designated a global terrorist no longer has the right/privilege avoiding his being sent to his country of origin - el salvador.

<rsbm>

from: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

Cite as: 604 U. S. ____ (2025) 1SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 24A949
KRISTI NOEM, SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, ET AL. v. KILMARARMANDO ABREGO GARCIA, ET AL.

ON APPLICATION TO VACATE INJUNCTION ENTERED BY THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND

[April 10, 2025]

On March 15, 2025, the United States removed KilmarArmando Abrego Garcia from the United States to El Salvador, where he is currently detained in the Center for Terrorism Confinement (CECOT). The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal. The United States represents that the removal to El Salvador was the result of an “administrative error.” The United States alleges, however, that Abrego Garcia has been found to be a member of the gang MS–13,

They have admitted their error. Not to mention that an allegation by the Trump administration in an attempt to substantiate Garcia's inclusion in the mass deportations does not constitute Garcia being a "designated terrorist". It is simply an allegation that has NOT been proven in court and is a direct violation of his right to due process.

 

[Elley Mae]

SPRING 2019: During Trump’s first administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement detains Abrego Garcia and, according to court records, asserts that an informant has identified him as “a verified gang member.” An immigration judge denies Abrego Garcia bond, saying he is “confirmed to be a ranking member of the MS-13 gang by a proven and reliable source.”

In their words: What judges and Trump's government say about Abrego Garcia's mistaken deportation

President Donald Trump’s administration has dug in on its contention that his government should not have to repatriate Kilmar Abrego Garcia, despite U.S.

apnews.com

FALL 2019: Another immigration judge grants Abrego Garcia protection from removal to El Salvador, affirming his contention that he would be endangered by local gangs there. But the judge denies him blanket asylum, noting that “withholding from removal, in contrast to asylum, confers only the right not to be deported to a particular country rather than the right to remain in the U.S.” This point will become key to the Trump administration’s current arguments.

 

[fred&edna]

<rsbm>

from: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/24a949_lkhn.pdf

Cite as: 604 U. S. ____ (2025) 1SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
No. 24A949
KRISTI NOEM, SECRETARY, DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, ET AL. v. KILMARARMANDO ABREGO GARCIA, ET AL.

ON APPLICATION TO VACATE INJUNCTION ENTERED BY THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE DISTRICT OF MARYLAND

[April 10, 2025]

On March 15, 2025, the United States removed KilmarArmando Abrego Garcia from the United States to El Salvador, where he is currently detained in the Center for Terrorism Confinement (CECOT). The United States acknowledges that Abrego Garcia was subject to a withholding order forbidding his removal to El Salvador, and that the removal to El Salvador was therefore illegal. The United States represents that the removal to El Salvador was the result of an “administrative error.” The United States alleges, however, that Abrego Garcia has been found to be a member of the gang MS–13,

They have admitted their error. Not to mention that an allegation by the Trump administration in an attempt to substantiate Garcia's inclusion in the mass deportations does not constitute Garcia being a "designated terrorist". It is simply an allegation that has NOT been proven in court and is a direct violation of his right to due process.

i don't know why the us initially said or has continued saying there was an administrative error.... or cnn stating a clerical error which is a word i used in the past until corrected here at ws. all, i know is the info in my lengthy previous post, and that the attorney who initially stated there was an error, has been fired.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/15/politics/doj-fires-immigration-lawyer-who-argued-abrego-garcia-case-source-says/index.html

jmo

eta; i wonder if the us was suppose to deport the designated terrorist to another country that would accept him

again, i also have no idea why the representative flying to el salvador believes abrego-garcia had to be charged/judged a criminal before being deported.

 

[LovesPeace2]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/judge-finds-trump-administration-disregarded-order-venezuelan-deportations-2025-04-16/

• Judge Boasberg finds 'probable cause' to hold Trump administration in criminal contempt over Venezuelan deportations
• He cites willful disregard for court order halting deportations
• Supreme Court had lifted Boasberg's temporary block on deportations

 

[Slamalam]

Question for the thread….
We have Abrego Garcia who we’ve discussed at length…. From my understanding, was specifically ordered not to be deported to El Salvador, yet there he is.

And then we have Victor Antonio Martinez who was just recently convicted of the brutal murder and rape (among other charges) of Rachel Morin (by coincidence also in Maryland). He was here illegally, and has been accused of other crimes in both the USA and El Salvador. I’m confused why he isn’t being deported on the first plane back to El Salvador? Is it because of other crimes he has been accused of in this country- they are waiting to have a trial for those as well? Is it because he doesn’t have the label (that I’m aware of) of being a gang member/terrorist? Can anyone enlighten me? Because if anyone should be deported….. I mean. Come on. This guy’s been tried and convicted now.

 

[HmmMysterious]

a judge ruled abrego-garcia an ms-13 gang member and be deported. abrego-garcia requested asylum and a judge only granted that he not be deported to el salvador. nevertheless, the judge ruled he was still to be deported. i've provided many acceptable/real links previously in this thread... if you want - i will post them yet again.

in 2025 ms-13 gang members - of which abrego-garcia was judged with his rank and gang name - were designated as global terrorists.

Can you provide the link which says the judge (which judge) ruled that Abrego-Garcia was to be deported?

What was Abrego-Garcia's rank and gang name? No media outlet has revealed that not even Fox.

particularly if you watch the link i previously provided in which the deputy chief of staff tries to explain to reporters.

Forbes Breaking News is a right-wing outlet that I'm pretty sure isn't even connected to the actual Forbes Magazine. And the deputy chief of staff himself isn't a reliable source.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Bondi said the U.S. government would fly him back on a plane if El Salvador President Nayib Bukele wanted to return him.

“President Bukele said he was not sending him back. That’s the end of the story,” Bondi said. Even if he were to return to the U.S., the government would deport him again, Bondi said.

“He would have come back, had one extra step of paperwork and gone back again. But he’s from El Salvador, he’s in El Salvador and that’s where the president plans on keeping him,” Bondi said.

Maryland man wrongly deported to El Salvador ‘is not coming back to our country,’ Bondi says

Attorney General Pam Bondi said Kilmar Abrego Garcia, who was wrongly deported, “is not coming back to our country.”

www.wbrc.com

In my opinion the clerical/administrative error was in the paperwork. One more step in the paperwork and Abrego Garcia is going back to El Salvador. imo

 

[sds71]

Senator Van Hollen says the VP of El Salvador denied his request for a meeting or a phone call with Abrego Garcia: "He said you need to make earlier provisions to go visit CECOT" "I said I'm not interested in a tour, I just want to meet with Mr. Abruego Garcia"

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912569441394782312

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912572729208774974

 

[Cedars]

Question for the thread….
I’m confused why he isn’t being deported on the first plane back to El Salvador? Is it because of other crimes he has been accused of in this country- they are waiting to have a trial for those as well? Is it because he doesn’t have the label (that I’m aware of) of being a gang member/terrorist? Can anyone enlighten me? Because if anyone should be deported….. I mean. Come on. This guy’s been tried and convicted now.

IMO, it is because Martinez is in the custody of the US criminal justice system, so ICE can't break into a US prison and snatch him.

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Forbes Breaking News is a right-wing outlet that I'm pretty sure isn't even connected to the actual Forbes Magazine. And the deputy chief of staff himself isn't a reliable source.

rsbm

It is the actual one and only Forbes and it’s breaking news. There was no opinion or bias in what was linked. The entire thing was an exchange between Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller and reporters.

It’s not everyone’s opinion that the Deputy Chief of Staff isn’t reliable. I was happy to see it linked.

moo

 

[Lyanna]

The facts behind Kilmar Armando Abrego Garcia’s deportation - Poynter

El Salvador's president and Trump officials misrepresented Abrego Garcia’s case, his protections, and a Supreme Court order to return him

www.poynter.org

For those who are seeking the  FACTS about Abrego Garcia, please read above. It's been fact checked and provides links.

Regardless of this government's disgusting actions in this case, this man has a name and it should be used. To call him a designated terrorist is offensive on so many levels when he has not affirmatively been proven to be a gang member, not back in 2019 when the Trump administration the first time round did not appeal the determination of the immigration judge or the granting of withholding removal. The Trump administration did not find Abrego Garcia to be a threat and could not produce any new evidence (other than an informants word originally) and haven't provided anything new in 2025.
If you can use a charged, convicted and incarcerated persons name when discussing a crime on websleuths at least have the common decency to use this man's name, when he hasn't even got a criminal record and zero evidence that he's a gang member other than a police informants word.

Moo, jmo, imo
Ebm

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Garcia’s wife, Jennifer Vasquez, applied for a protective order against her husband in 2021, saying he punched, scratched, grabbed and bruised her, according to court documents.

Alleged MS-13 member Kilmar Abrego Garcia, deported by Trump admin to El Salvador megaprison, accused of physically abusing wife — who’s fiercely advocating for his return

Garcia’s wife, Jennifer Vasquez, applied for a protective order against her husband in 2021.

nypost.com

 

[keek]

a judge ruled abrego-garcia an ms-13 gang member and be deported. abrego-garcia requested asylum and a judge only granted that he not be deported to el salvador. nevertheless, the judge ruled he was still to be deported. i've provided many acceptable/real links previously in this thread... if you want - i will post them yet again.

in 2025 ms-13 gang members - of which abrego-garcia was judged with his rank and gang name - were designated as global terrorists. so, he's to be deported to his country of origin... el salvador.

Designating Cartels And Other Organizations As Foreign Terrorist Organizations And Specially Designated Global Terrorists

DESIGNATING CARTELS AND OTHER ORGANIZATIONS AS FOREIGN TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS AND SPECIALLY DESIGNATED GLOBAL TERRORISTS By the authority vested in me as

www.whitehouse.gov

and, from my understanding .... just my understanding... and you are, as always most very welcome to show me the laws and policies that refute my understanding... a person illegally residing in the usa who is designated a global terrorist no longer has the right/privilege avoiding his being sent to his country of origin - el salvador.


also, simply because a representative flies to el salvador stating that there were no criminal charges against abrego-garcia... doesn't change the illegal status of abrego-garcia judged in 2019, in addition to the global terrorism designation and the alien enemies act of 2025. particularly if you watch the link i previously provided in which the deputy chief of staff tries to explain to reporters.

the executive power of the elected president - elected by the majority of us voters - was set forth in our us constitution long before president trump took office. there is no constitutional dilemma caused by president trump. the only dilemmas appear to me to be those of recent individuals attempting to ignore or failing to understand the separate powers of the us branches government that have existed since the 1700's.

jmo/understanding accompanied by the most official link i can provide atm.

There you go, miller. Says it all and where your compass points. Clear.

 

[MrsWatson]

There’s a right way to apply for immigration and asylum in many countries. In the UK, if you’re there illegally, you are detained, until a decision is made. You are not allowed to roam the country freely. It’s that way in many countries. imo

That is absolutely not true. I am an ex-Pat in the UK. I am waiting for my settled status and in the meantime, have overstayed my Visa. Thus, I am considered an "illegal immigrant". I was never detained, never locked up, and never in any way threatened with that. The only thing I am required to do is electronically confirm my address every month.

 

[keek]

That is absolutely not true. I am an ex-Pat in the UK. I am waiting for my settled status and in the meantime, have overstayed my Visa. Thus, I am considered an "illegal immigrant". I was never detained, never locked up, and never in any way threatened with that. The only thing I am required to do is electronically confirm my address every month.

How bizarre. Absolutely not true.

 

[keek]

rsbm

It is the actual one and only Forbes and it’s breaking news. There was no opinion or bias in what was linked. The entire thing was an exchange between Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller and reporters.

It’s not everyone’s opinion that the Deputy Chief of Staff isn’t reliable. I was happy to see it linked.

moo

Yes, of course there is bias. It is t's non qualified followers, the ones that want to erase anyone protesting his lunacy and damage and keep the white, hetro males. American born. I wonder if his mentor musk is still going around doing his heil ing.

 

[Stunned]

That is absolutely not true. I am an ex-Pat in the UK. I am waiting for my settled status and in the meantime, have overstayed my Visa. Thus, I am considered an "illegal immigrant". I was never detained, never locked up, and never in any way threatened with that. The only thing I am required to do is electronically confirm my address every month.

Boy are you treated humanly! Want the Statue of Liberty over there till we get things straightened out here? IMO

 

[MrsWatson]

rsbm

It is the actual one and only Forbes and it’s breaking news. There was no opinion or bias in what was linked. The entire thing was an exchange between Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller and reporters.

It’s not everyone’s opinion that the Deputy Chief of Staff isn’t reliable. I was happy to see it linked.

moo

Could you please provide a link showing that Forbes Breaking News on You Tube is actually owned by Forbes magazine? There's nothing listing that on the YouTube Channel, nothing listed in their Wikipedia and nothing listed on the Forbes.com website linking the two. Happy to be corrected, but I am not seeing any relationship and the You Tube channel is incredibly biased, imo. ETA: The Forbes mag logo is black with a white F, not red with a white F as the You Tube channel logo.

I did find this interesting tidbit on their Wiki page.

In July 2014, the Forbes family bought out Elevation and then Hong Kong-based investment group Integrated Whale Media Investments purchased a 51 percent majority of the company.

In 2017, Isaac Stone Fish, a senior fellow of the Asia Society, wrote in The Washington Post that "Since that purchase, there have been several instances of editorial meddling on stories involving China that raise questions about Forbes magazine's commitment to editorial independence.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

So this is where we are as a nation: people enthusiastically defending concentration camps in response to state-sanctioned gaslighting.

MOO.