"personal hygeine" of JB

  • #281
Glad you're doing better.
Now about that ransom letter. Remember it was written for LE officials eyes only. Patsy and John needed to give LE some clues. The idea was to put this crime as far away from themselves as possible. The ransom letter provided a motive (John and his business were hated) The letter claims it comes from a foreign faction (That's light years away from the Ramseys). The amount had to be significant as to point to who might do this. (Thus, it was someone who knew about John's finances and the amount of his bonus).
It was stated in the letter that more than two people were involved, one composing the letter and two watching over the child.
However, the screw up comes when the details for the exchange of money for the child is given. No special date is given. Only a day, tomorrow, but which tomorrow? There is too much instruction given for the preparing the money and delivery of the money, down to what should be used in carrying the money.
If this were a true ransom letter, the main goal would be to get the money. But the letter writer gives only a vague timeline. Instead this becomes a blueprint for LE in order to put them way off course and give the Ramseys distance and breathing room. I think that is the reason this letter had to be lenghty. It was important for Patsy and John to present (false) clues and could only do it with a long involved letter.
JMO

I have NEVER thought about it that way before, you are absolutely right. Makes total compete sense to me. I believe that it was the RN that gave them away...I can't believe that they were never arrested. And..."bring an adequate sized attaché" What ever happened to the word BRIEFCASE? Patsy loved french things....that's why she named her daughter...JonBenét and Jacque (1 and 2)...for two of their dogs. Notice the similarities between JonBenét and attaché??? Both French, both have the é in them.....hmmmmm, coincidental? I think not.
 
  • #282
The Barnhills believed they had seen John Andrew before he supposedly arrived. Walking across the yard. That seems a major contradiction. Yet his alibi appears solid in that no one recants his alibi.

I wonder when they supposedly saw him? Could this have been John, creeping around outside at night, or early morning...just in case one of the neighbors saw anything? Maybe he was wearing a baseball cap or something, and looked like JAR from far away.
 
  • #283
I would imagine any young man would probably look like JAR from a distance.
I wonder who it was.
 
  • #284
JMO,

Forgive me, but who are you referring to when you say JAR was in the yard that day. If it is John Andrew, he was not in town and arrived from Denver with his sister and her boyfriend on the 'DAY' they found her. I know you know this, but are you saying that people say they spotted him there.

The Barnhills across the st said they saw JAR walking across the R's yard xmas morning.but obv. they were mistaken,although I have seen it speculated on other brds that it is possible he could have been there and they thought his alibi was weak (and he still had the ticket stub from the movie he said he went to,who saves those?)and his face wasn't shown on the atm machine photo (b/c a hat was in the way).even so,I don't think he killed JB.
 
  • #285
I would imagine any young man would probably look like JAR from a distance.
I wonder who it was.


Remember that JAR was the Barnhills neighbor I think he would be able to recognize the difference of somewhat similar and recognition, however the alibi appears solid, I have issues with it but thats me; one John could of ssent a private plane to get JAR there in time to be on the flight to Colorado But that would take really top notch secrecy and no filed fight plan.....still !?!?!?!? Was it not JAR when asked what they should do if they found the killer, forgive? But I have moved on from speculation on all that
 
  • #286
Remember that JAR was the Barnhills neighbor I think he would be able to recognize the difference of somewhat similar and recognition, however the alibi appears solid, I have issues with it but thats me; one John could of ssent a private plane to get JAR there in time to be on the flight to Colorado But that would take really top notch secrecy and no filed fight plan.....still !?!?!?!? Was it not JAR when asked what they should do if they found the killer, forgive? But I have moved on from speculation on all that
My thought has always been that the Barnhill's did see a young man on the Ramsey property and assumed it was JAR.
 
  • #287
I really don't think he does.I really think he meant what he said.And according to the last statement he released,he hasn't changed his mind,so that would mean he took JR's fiber evidence into consideration,but still believes he was only in on the coverup,albeit it was sooner than he thought though.
I didn't take it as there was anything misleading in his theory.he did leave out the large underwear in his breakdown of events though.
And if you've read PMPT,he believes for sure that Patsy did it.
I don't discount his theory,perhaps it's like everything else..he took the evidence into consideration,and narrowed it down till he arrived at a conclusion...some might think JAR did it..as he was 'seen' in the yard that day,and the contents of the suitcase might lend credence to that...but then there's Santa Bill and coincidences there...but of course they didn't kill her...it was all narrowed down and they were eliminated..which is what Thomas did,and he arrived at the conclusion that Patsy did it,and why.

JMO8778,
Steve Thomas is not going to tell the world what the investigators lead theory is along with all the evidence, he might want to tell everyone how the case became messed up, who followed false leads, who promoted bogus theories etc, but little new forensic evidence is supplied in his book.

He tells us how he analysed the White's party pictures, but leaves out if he noticed JonBenet was wearing pigtails, or if her black velvet pants seemed bulky because she was wearing size-12's, or even if a forensic comparison had been done on the fibers in her velvet pants. He does not tell us much about the warrants issued to search for child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, or about the collection of photographs of JonBenet that sparked the search. Also there was nothing about all those soiled pants in JonBenet's underwear drawer, which just underlines my point about him being disingenuous, I am not saying he was outright dishonest.

it was all narrowed down and they were eliminated..which is what Thomas did,and he arrived at the conclusion that Patsy did it,and why.
Sure but read it carefully and he tells you himself its not conclusive, its just one of the many theories developed and dropped by the investigators, thats why its in the book, his real theory will be inside his head. In his book he has two goals one was to explain why nobody was in court, and the second, to point a finger directly at the Ramsey's and away from Lou Smit's fantasy intruder.

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  • #288
JMO8778,
Steve Thomas is not going to tell the world what the investigators lead theory is along with all the evidence, he might want to tell everyone how the case became messed up, who followed false leads, who promoted bogus theories etc, but little new forensic evidence is supplied in his book.

He tells us how he analysed the White's party pictures, but leaves out if he noticed JonBenet was wearing pigtails, or if her black velvet pants seemed bulky because she was wearing size-12's, or even if a forensic comparison had been done on the fibers in her velvet pants. He does not tell us much about the warrants issued to search for child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬, or about the collection of photographs of JonBenet that sparked the search. Also there was nothing about all those soiled pants in JonBenet's underwear drawer, which just underlines my point about him being disingenuous, I am not saying he was outright dishonest.


Sure but read it carefully and he tells you himself its not conclusive, its just one of the many theories developed and dropped by the investigators, thats why its in the book, his real theory will be inside his head. In his book he has two goals one was to explain why nobody was in court, and the second, to point a finger directly at the Ramsey's and away from Lou Smit's fantasy intruder.

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Because of his lack of info...and the fact that he thinks that JB wore the red turtleneck to bed, is it possible that the red turtleneck could have been UNDER the white gap shirt. My daughter was a year younger than JB, when JB died, and she had a closet full of turtle necks to wear under her shirts, the turtleneck would have peeked out from the collar of the outer shirt. We dressed her that way, because we live two states up from CO. and it gets cold in the winter. I know that this doesn't fit with your theory, but I was wondering what all of the bed-wetting rage theory posters thought about it.
 
  • #289
I was under the impression that JB had splinters inside her.
Also the urine could have been from the stranglulation, or the share fright of being sexually assaulted, children who are scared generally let go of their bladders, also involuntary emptying of her bladder most probably would accure when she was being strangled.

pan05,

Yes, and I think Steve Thomas refers to them as such in his book, but does not expand the discussion to how they arrived there or when, which is important in the sense, are they staged or are they forensic residue from and initial sexual assault?

JonBenet let go of her bladder after she was redressed in the size-12's and longjohns.

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  • #290
The Barnhills across the st said they saw JAR walking across the R's yard xmas morning.but obv. they were mistaken,although I have seen it speculated on other brds that it is possible he could have been there and they thought his alibi was weak (and he still had the ticket stub from the movie he said he went to,who saves those?)and his face wasn't shown on the atm machine photo (b/c a hat was in the way).even so,I don't think he killed JB.

I don't have the book with me, but as I recall it went on for a bit on what he had been doing and where he was. And actually, I always have the stub; it is not until I realize I still have it that I throw it away. I just put it in my pocket and it is so small I forget about it. I don't think it is strange that he had it. He was cleared plain and simple.;)
 
  • #291
I don't have the book with me, but as I recall it went on for a bit on what he had been doing and where he was. And actually, I always have the stub; it is not until I realize I still have it that I throw it away. I just put it in my pocket and it is so small I forget about it. I don't think it is strange that he had it. He was cleared plain and simple.;)

I do that too...I have found them in the pocket of jeans that I haven't worn for awhile, or in my jacket or coat pocket....months later.
 
  • #292
I do that too...I have found them in the pocket of jeans that I haven't worn for awhile, or in my jacket or coat pocket....months later.

Yes, exactly.
 
  • #293
Solace,
Over at FFJ, Tricia is suppose to be posting parts of Doc Miller's book, today. It isn't posted yet, but I will let you know when she gets it done.
 
  • #294
good Lord UK,that makes it sound like it was glass?? I mean refractive..a splinter could not reflect.

JMO8778,

I know but when you shine a laser through some materials it will enter in at some particular angle, but leave on the other side at a different angle, this property tends to be consistent, and allows for the identification of material.

That the material was birefringement tells you that Coroner Meyer knew exactly what it was but did not release this publicly, probably at the request of the investigators.

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  • #295
Solace,
Over at FFJ, Tricia is suppose to be posting parts of Doc Miller's book, today. It isn't posted yet, but I will let you know when she gets it done.
Ames,
Will you let me know, too?:o
I don't have a subscription to FFJ, but I do read there.
Thanks for all the hard work you do.
 
  • #296
Because of his lack of info...and the fact that he thinks that JB wore the red turtleneck to bed, is it possible that the red turtleneck could have been UNDER the white gap shirt. My daughter was a year younger than JB, when JB died, and she had a closet full of turtle necks to wear under her shirts, the turtleneck would have peeked out from the collar of the outer shirt. We dressed her that way, because we live two states up from CO. and it gets cold in the winter. I know that this doesn't fit with your theory, but I was wondering what all of the bed-wetting rage theory posters thought about it.

As Steve explalined in his book, JonBenet's room was very warm and often times would kick off her blanket. No way would she wear two shirts to bed. I also question whether Patsy put the longjohns on her.

Steve was only able to say so much as to not "Give away the store".
 
  • #297
As Steve explalined in his book, JonBenet's room was very warm and often times would kick off her blanket. No way would she wear two shirts to bed. I also question whether Patsy put the longjohns on her.

Steve was only able to say so much as to not "Give away the store".

No, I meant that she went to bed wearing JUST the turtleneck that had possibly been under the Gap shirt. The Gap shirt could have been removed, and the red turtleneck was such a pain in the butt to remove, that Patsy left it on her. I also question the longjohns....seems weird to me.
 
  • #298
Ames,
Will you let me know, too?:o
I don't have a subscription to FFJ, but I do read there.
Thanks for all the hard work you do.

WOW thanks.

I will let you guys know as soon as it is posted over there. I don't know if you know this or not....but Doc Miller's (the author of the book)....wife, Judith, posts over at FFJ under the name of Cookie. She was one of JB's photographers. And she took the picture of Patsy and JB that is used for the cover of the book. She the cover of the book posted on a thead over there. They believe that the Ramsey's are guilty.
 
  • #299
No, I meant that she went to bed wearing JUST the turtleneck that had possibly been under the Gap shirt. The Gap shirt could have been removed, and the red turtleneck was such a pain in the butt to remove, that Patsy left it on her. I also question the longjohns....seems weird to me.

AMES,

I have never heard of any pictures from the White's. Have you? I think if she had had the turtleneck on "ST would have mentioned it if there were pictures from the party. He never mentions pictures does he? But I have heard your theory in that maybe it was put on her before she went to bed so she did not have to dress her in the morning. I don't know.:o
 
  • #300
AMES,

I have never heard of any pictures from the White's. Have you? I think if she had had the turtleneck on "ST would have mentioned it if there were pictures from the party. He never mentions pictures does he? But I have heard your theory in that maybe it was put on her before she went to bed so she did not have to dress her in the morning. I don't know.:o

Solace,
There were some photos taken at the White's party, and they were turned over as evidence. Steve got to view these....but has been hush hush about what was in the pictures. ACANDYROSE has some pictures up on the ACR site....and there is one that says..."Pictures from the White's Dec. 25th Party....UNDER CONSTRUCTION" That has been awhile back, I haven't been back to check to see if they have been loaded yet, or not. But, when they are, those should be VERY INTERESTING. I have no idea how or where she got them. We will have to ask her..

Check THIS out..

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-ramseycase.htm
 

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