"personal hygeine" of JB

[JMO8778]

As Steve explalined in his book, JonBenet's room was very warm and often times would kick off her blanket. No way would she wear two shirts to bed. I also question whether Patsy put the longjohns on her.

Steve was only able to say so much as to not "Give away the store".

I think she was only dressed in the longjohns after death,b/c they would hold the size 12 underwear on her better than anything else,and they may have just been washed..probably were,IMO,and that =no R dna on them,so they were chosen for that reason as well.

 

[JMO8778]

Solace,
There were some photos taken at the White's party, and they were turned over as evidence. Steve got to view these....but has been hush hush about what was in the pictures. ACANDYROSE has some pictures up on the ACR site....and there is one that says..."Pictures from the White's Dec. 25th Party....UNDER CONSTRUCTION" That has been awhile back, I haven't been back to check to see if they have been loaded yet, or not. But, when they are, those should be VERY INTERESTING. I have no idea how or where she got them. We will have to ask her..

Check THIS out..

http://www.acandyrose.com/crimescene-ramseycase.htm

he did say in an interview (someone posted that here awhile back) that she did definitely wear the white gap top she was found dead in to the White's party the prior evening.that's all he said though.there must be something incriminating in the photo's, or they would have been released (?)

 

[JMO8778]

Remember that JAR was the Barnhills neighbor I think he would be able to recognize the difference of somewhat similar and recognition, however the alibi appears solid, I have issues with it but thats me; one John could of ssent a private plane to get JAR there in time to be on the flight to Colorado But that would take really top notch secrecy and no filed fight plan.....still !?!?!?!? Was it not JAR when asked what they should do if they found the killer, forgive? But I have moved on from speculation on all that

weird,isn't it.I can only guess he was either told or thinks his dad did it.I can't see him saying that for Patsy,and I don't think he did it.

 

[JMO8778]

I do that too...I have found them in the pocket of jeans that I haven't worn for awhile, or in my jacket or coat pocket....months later.

I'm sure,that's just what some said on the brd I was reading.there's so much oddness on some the other brds online that I quit reading them all except for this one and ffj,which I don't get to very often.

 

[DeeDee249]

If Joe Barnhill said he saw JAR Christmas Day, I'd be surprised if it wasn't him. As was mentioned, he DID live next door. If it was another college-age man, who would it have been? The Ramsey's were HOME that morning (when Barnhill supposedly saw JAR), not leaving for the White's till around 4pm. If it WAS someone else, it could have been one of JAR's friends come to visit him. Either way, it could place him in Boulder. His alibi was just that, an alibi. Only a photograph dated that day or the ATM photo that showed his face would place him elsewhere without a doubt.

 

[JMO8778]

If Joe Barnhill said he saw JAR Christmas Day, I'd be surprised if it wasn't him. As was mentioned, he DID live next door. If it was another college-age man, who would it have been? The Ramsey's were HOME that morning (when Barnhill supposedly saw JAR), not leaving for the White's till around 4pm. If it WAS someone else, it could have been one of JAR's friends come to visit him. Either way, it could place him in Boulder. His alibi was just that, an alibi. Only a photograph dated that day or the ATM photo that showed his face would place him elsewhere without a doubt.

only thing I can think of is that he must have had the atm receipt,plus who would have used his card? and the hat he was wearing must have checked out as well,as far as him owning one like it.of course if it was planned and he had someone use his card,wear his hat and save a movie ticket stub,that would be a different story.but the R's behave too guilty for him to have done it,IMO.

 

[DeeDee249]

Yeah, it get's complicated, don't it?

 

[JMO8778]

No, I meant that she went to bed wearing JUST the turtleneck that had possibly been under the Gap shirt. The Gap shirt could have been removed, and the red turtleneck was such a pain in the butt to remove, that Patsy left it on her. I also question the longjohns....seems weird to me.

I think that's possible.Perhaps Patsy's thought was to try and get her to take it off later,so they would be dressed alike after all.

 

[Ames]

I think she was only dressed in the longjohns after death,b/c they would hold the size 12 underwear on her better than anything else,and they may have just been washed..probably were,IMO,and that =no R dna on them,so they were chosen for that reason as well.

They may have even been in the dryer with the blanket, and the Barbie nightgown.

 

[Ames]

I think that's possible.Perhaps Patsy's thought was to try and get her to take it off later,so they would be dressed alike after all.

As I have said before, we live in a cold weather state...up above CO..and my daughter had a closet full of turtlenecks to wear under other shirts, just to stay warm. I would think that this is possiby what Patsy was thinking IF this is what JB wore, under the Gap shirt to the party. I am wondering if their really was an argument at all about the red turtleneck, I know that Patsy said this after breaking down and crying when she saw the turtleneck balled up on the bathroom counter, but could this all been a lie, to get out of the REAL reason that the red turtleneck was balled up on the counter. If you look at the interview, she starts to cry when shown the picture, somewhere in the interview its mentioned that she had argued with JB over it...but, then since she is crying, they decide to take a break, and the turtleneck is never brought up again...after the break, they start talking about something else. I believe that this is just as Patsy hoped it would be.

 

[JMO8778]

As I have said before, we live in a cold weather state...up above CO..and my daughter had a closet full of turtlenecks to wear under other shirts, just to stay warm. I would think that this is possiby what Patsy was thinking IF this is what JB wore, under the Gap shirt to the party. I am wondering if their really was an argument at all about the red turtleneck, I know that Patsy said this after breaking down and crying when she saw the turtleneck balled up on the bathroom counter, but could this all been a lie, to get out of the REAL reason that the red turtleneck was balled up on the counter. If you look at the interview, she starts to cry when shown the picture, somewhere in the interview its mentioned that she had argued with JB over it...but, then since she is crying, they decide to take a break, and the turtleneck is never brought up again...after the break, they start talking about something else. I believe that this is just as Patsy hoped it would be.

yes,I think she was a real manipulator.she says something about a crown,but I think that was a ruse and that she was really crying over something that happened while JB was wearing the red shirt.

 

[JMO8778]

They may have even been in the dryer with the blanket, and the Barbie nightgown.

yes and I wonder if they'd already been washed,or if they chose them and washed them while doing the RN,or some of the other staging.I'm thinking maybe she went into rigor by the time the clothes got dry,and it was too late to put her arms down across her and tie them as if it were a real abduction.

 

[Ames]

yes,I think she was a real manipulator.she says something about a crown,but I think that was a ruse and that she was really crying over something that happened while JB was wearing the red shirt.

Me too. Steve Thomas believes that she was wearing the red turtleneck when she went to bed. He has seen the pictures, and I believe that he would know more than your average person. If HE believes that she was wearing the red turtleneck, then so do I. I think that she wet the bed, and it got wet, and as Patsy was angrily taking it off her , that's probably when the accident happened...and that's why it was balled up on the bathroom counter. I seriously do not think that after they carried JB out of her bedroom, that they ever went back in there that night....they were too busy trying to stage a crimescene. And I believe that's why the red turtleneck was forgotten. Patsy probably said..."OH GOD", and started to cry when she saw the picture, because she then realized that they had forgotten it. And she could envision her butt sitting in jail,( and not in her mansion)...surrounded by a bunch of Amazon women. UKGUY keeps saying, well why didn't they pick up the pants on the floor with the stain in the underwear, if they were trying to get away from the betwetting theory. My answer to that is....if you read Patsy's interview...she flat out says that they were stained because JB was not great at wiping herself. She did NOT poop in her pants, and then drop them on the floor. It was just where she didn't wipe well, so why would they even think to remove those pants, why would they...they weren't soaked with urine or feces...they just had a "hershey stripe"....that's gross, but that's what some people call it....where she didn't wipe good. What would that have to do with a bedwetting or potty training problem? And the red turtleneck was just plain forgotten....while they were busy trying to stage the crimescene and write the RN.

 

[Ames]

yes and I wonder if they'd already been washed,or if they chose them and washed them while doing the RN,or some of the other staging.I'm thinking maybe she went into rigor by the time the clothes got dry,and it was too late to put her arms down across her and tie them as if it were a real abduction.

There is no doubt in my mind that she had already went into rigor, by the time her wrists were tied....or they would have been closer together.

 

[JMO8778]

There is no doubt in my mind that she had already went into rigor, by the time her wrists were tied....or they would have been closer together.

indeed,I think that drops a good clue about the timeline of her death and events that went on,since some period of time passed b/f her arms were tied.

 

[JMO8778]

Me too. Steve Thomas believes that she was wearing the red turtleneck when she went to bed. He has seen the pictures, and I believe that he would know more than your average person. If HE believes that she was wearing the red turtleneck, then so do I. I think that she wet the bed, and it got wet, and as Patsy was angrily taking it off her , that's probably when the accident happened...and that's why it was balled up on the bathroom counter. I seriously do not think that after they carried JB out of her bedroom, that they ever went back in there that night....they were too busy trying to stage a crimescene. And I believe that's why the red turtleneck was forgotten. Patsy probably said..."OH GOD", and started to cry when she saw the picture, because she then realized that they had forgotten it. And she could envision her butt sitting in jail,( and not in her mansion)...surrounded by a bunch of Amazon women. UKGUY keeps saying, well why didn't they pick up the pants on the floor with the stain in the underwear, if they were trying to get away from the betwetting theory. My answer to that is....if you read Patsy's interview...she flat out says that they were stained because JB was not great at wiping herself. She did NOT poop in her pants, and then drop them on the floor. It was just where she didn't wipe well, so why would they even think to remove those pants, why would they...they weren't soaked with urine or feces...they just had a "hershey stripe"....that's gross, but that's what some people call it....where she didn't wipe good. What would that have to do with a bedwetting or potty training problem? And the red turtleneck was just plain forgotten....while they were busy trying to stage the crimescene and write the RN.

good thought,they were so busy w/ the WC staging that her room was dismissed.If they'd staged her room at all,I think the only thing done was the sheets were changed.other than that it appears to be forgotten about..they didn't even stage her bed and pillow to look like it'd been slept in.I think they were frantic and running out of time,no time to do anything else..the 911 call had to be made.

I suspect the red shirt has some evidence on it or about it,like the collar being stretched and twisted.Dr Spitz says she was manually strangled w. a shirt collar first,so the shirt used for that had to have a good collar on it ...like a turtleneck does.not like the one she was found in.according to the artist's sketch,that one has a lot lower collar.

 

[DeeDee249]

I also think it's very likely that the reason for that ridiculous 15-inch span of cord between her "tightly bound wrists" was the fact that her arms were in rigor and coudn't be pulled closer. When rigor progresses, it starts in the smallest muscles first (the eyelids, jaw, mouth) then progresses to the larger muscles (arms THEN legs). If I recall, her legs were bound with tape at the ankles. So possibly they could still have taped the legs close, but the arms had already stiffened past that point. Actually, this may point to the death occuring even closer to her 10 pm return home than previously thought. And is passes off in the same order.
By the time Coroner Mayer started the autopsy, he reported mild rigor in the arms and more pronounced rigor in the legs. So the arms had already begun to progress towards secondary flaccidity. Her mouth is open in the autopsy photos, so by then, the jaw muscles were flaccid and her mouth would not stay closed. I have never seen it anywhere whether her mouth was open or closed when the body was "found", but in PMPT and the artist's drawing of her body, her mouth is shown as being closed.
And, in yet another instance of the Rs saying inane things and NO ONE calling them on it, he says her wrists were tightly bound and he tried to untie them. Of course, any coroner would tell if the wrists HAD been bound, and there was NO bruising there, nor were there the marks like on her neck, from livor mortis. And I don't recall where ANYONE in LE ever brought this up, either to JR's face or with each other.

 

[Ames]

good thought,they were so busy w/ the WC staging that her room was dismissed.If they'd staged her room at all,I think the only thing done was the sheets were changed.other than that it appears to be forgotten about..they didn't even stage her bed and pillow to look like it'd been slept in.I think they were frantic and running out of time,no time to do anything else..the 911 call had to be made.

I suspect the red shirt has some evidence on it or about it,like the collar being stretched and twisted.Dr Spitz says she was manually strangled w. a shirt collar first,so the shirt used for that had to have a good collar on it ...like a turtleneck does.not like the one she was found in.according to the artist's sketch,that one has a lot lower collar.

It is a known fact that JB slept in Burkes room some. WHAT IF....she didn't wet HER bed, but the one in BURKES ROOM, and THOSE sheets were changed.

 

[JMO8778]

It is a known fact that JB slept in Burkes room some. WHAT IF....she didn't wet HER bed, but the one in BURKES ROOM, and THOSE sheets were changed.

good thought.

 

[DeeDee249]

Hmmm.....