Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #10

[RR0004]

Who said Joren wasn't calculating?!

 

[newone]

Joran van der Sloot simulated as an excuse not to have keys to the room where killed Stephany Flores

New Hotel Video:

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

wow......what an alibi -- NOT:dance:

 

[RR0004]

The coffee was a ruse...the person who called his room...was that then Joren himself?

 

[RR0004]

Ok...refresh my memory...did we ever see him leave to get the coffee?

 

[cat thief]

About the whole "extortion" thing- how could either Joran or the Holloways trust the other in such a scheme? Would Joran really have been clueless enough to think that his arch enemy, who publicly suspected him of causing her daughter's death over and over again, was going to pay him $250,000? Did he really think they had that kind of money? As for Beth, how could she have thought this habitual liar was going to finally tell her where the body was? That's why, it had to originate on the Twitty/Holloway side- that's the way stings always work.

Again, I find the timing most peculiar. The payoff of $15,000 (or was it $10,000- again, conflicting accounts) allegedly took place on May 10. Even some mainstream "journalists" have questioned the obvious oddity of the FBI not busting Joran on the spot, as they invariably do in normal stings. At any rate, almost immediately after this, Joran decides, inexplicably in my view, to go to Peru. Why Peru? What was the attraction there? If he had a lot of cash suddenly, aren't there many far more attractive places to go gamble than this small Third World nation?

I admit I don't know all the nuances in such a conspiracy, but I simply can't accept all these "coincidences." I think that's why so many conspiracies are successful; people are trained, by their teachers, politicians and media, to instantly dismiss such notions. And, by their nature, there are secrets associated with them that none of us, even those most receptive to such theories, can easily surmise.

So what are you saying?

 

[MaraSleuth]

This article mentions that at some point Stefanie lays her head on the chair in the casino.

Here is a link with two still shots taken from the video. The second, time stamped at 04:26, shows her with a pillow under her head. This frame is not included on the casino videos that have been previously posted on this thread.

http://www.fotoglif.com/f/vqrs7ta9jx67/x2n6rrykaxko

That is not a pillow - it is the leg of the guy next to her. She is leaning on her own arm.

 

[Melanie]

Ok...refresh my memory...did we ever see him leave to get the coffee?

I have yet to see coffee or the sponge cake. Until I see him coming thru the door with those items - I'm chocking it up to a rumor. But boy did NG have a field day with the "danish" tonight.

MOO

Mel

 

[RR0004]

I have to say I believe they have a lot of proof to get a conviction...but it does bother me that they never released the fact that hotel staff had to let him into the room. Wonder if the tv was on loud then.

 

[MaraSleuth]

This article mentions that at some point Stefanie lays her head on the chair in the casino.

Here is a link with two still shots taken from the video. The second, time stamped at 04:26, shows her with a pillow under her head. This frame is not included on the casino videos that have been previously posted on this thread.

http://www.fotoglif.com/f/vqrs7ta9jx67/x2n6rrykaxko

That is not a pillow - it is the leg of the guy next to her. She is leaning on her own arm.

 

[3doglady]

Joran van der Sloot simulated as an excuse not to have keys to the room where killed Stephany Flores

New Hotel Video:

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

OMG! (and I was going to bed)

 

[nums24]

The coffee was a ruse...the person who called his room...was that then Joren himself?

I don't think so, he wouldn't want her to be discovered. I think it may have been this guy:

http://translate.google.com/transla...online/Html/2010-06-10/ontrfiesta1094513.html

 

[newone]

Ok...refresh my memory...did we ever see him leave to get the coffee?

I have not seen that video -- I would like to see that one too

 

[FLNY]

Joran van der Sloot simulated as an excuse not to have keys to the room where killed Stephany Flores

New Hotel Video:

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

Wow! Great find! This is thought to be a set-up he staged after he'd already killed her. He's already changed his shirt. It also shows that he knows there's a camera outside his room, since he looks right up at it!!

 

[nums24]

OMG! (and I was going to bed)

so was I :crazy:

 

[nums24]

I have not seen that video -- I would like to see that one too

In this link:


http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

 

[seagull65]

Oh I didn't see that Patty and ImpatientRedhead had posted the DSM definition. Of course these definitions are revised all the time as more is learned. Sometimes medical causes are found for things that used to be considered voluntary behaviors or matters of personality or character, etc. And again, it's very cultural, I think we tend to use the DSM in the U.S., other countries use their own criteria.

Note in the DSM definition of "Antisocial Personality Disorder" (often called "psychopathy/sociopathy"), if the symptoms occur during Schizophrenic or Manic episodes they are NOT considered "Antisocial Personality / Psychopathy/ Sociopathy".

Schizophrenia and Mania can also cause these behaviors obviously.

 

[TravelingBug]

This article the defense claims JVDS is sorry and stable and clever:

http://translate.google.com/transla...t-pedira-declarar-nula-investigacion-policial

I'll stick this in the translation thread (in my signature) and do a human translation for those who prefer a non-computer translation Give me 10 minutes or so.

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Ok...refresh my memory...did we ever see him leave to get the coffee?

I do not think they have shown that one yet. Boy what a duffus. He did not even close the door the first time. He is not a good actor at all. His goose is so cooked it is unreal. Adios Joran. Enjoy your new home. :woohoo:

 

[FLNY]

That is not a pillow - it is the leg of the guy next to her. She is leaning on her own arm.

Oops! You're right! My eyes must be getting weary!

 

[Melanie]

OMG! (and I was going to bed)

OMG - and there's the coffee video. He comes OUT of the room with 2 cuppers, and what looks like cake. Shuts the door, PRETENDS to knock. Looks at the camera, then comes back with the TAC employee. TAC employee opens the door, and Joran walks in and closes the door.

SHE WAS DEAD ALREADY! OMG. JVS was already setting up his alibi....

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores