Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #10

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  • #761
If he left in the white shirt to buy coffee, came back and then changed into the striped shirt and walked out of the room and went to get the clerk to open the door - it means he killed Stephany after he got the coffee.

I think you may have the timeline. He has changed when he comes out
with the coffee cups and looks around ... he may have come with cups
in his hand (an excuse to come out if observed) in order to look around
and see what's going on if anything. Especially if he fears there was
npoise from him killing Flores. But hecomes out and maybe for the first
time "realises" there is a security cam right at his door! He look up right
at it and looks a but startled? THEN he goes into this fumbling act at the
door, door pulled shut, knocking, fumbling with cups as he whirls around
... he looks confused/desparate? ... then walks off to get an employee to open thedoor which will verify "nothing is going on - all is calm". Then he
goes in, packs and who knows what else, and leaves.

The only thing that bothers me is his kocking. Is there any chance he
thought she might still be alive and would answer the door? ! He does
kock a number of times in severalseries of knocks ... knocks softly as
if he is trying to avoid to raising any suspicion.
 
  • #762
I have seen the video, I am looking for the "statement" by the hotel clerk who indicated he opened the door. It is either on a media interview at the hotel, or somewhere, but we have it somewhere.

OOPS - sorry :( I don't have that statement -- will try to find it too.

Mel
 
  • #763
I am not just floating theories for a book proposal, I had a book deal.

I realize my speculation is far different from what most people are saying, and 100% contrary to everything the mainstream media is saying.

I haven't seen the coffee video yet. I will wait until doing so before speculating about it. However, from what has been described, it sounds very strange- not sure what to make of it.
 
  • #764
I think you may have the timeline. He has changed when he comes out
with the coffee cups and looks around ... he may have come with cups
in his hand (an excuse to come out if observed) in order to look around
and see what's going on if anything. Especially if he fears there was
npoise from him killing Flores. But hecomes out and maybe for the first
time "realises" there is a security cam right at his door! He look up right
at it and looks a but startled? THEN he goes into this fumbling act at the
door, door pulled shut, knocking, fumbling with cups as he whirls around
... he looks confused/desparate? ... then walks off to get an employee to open thedoor which will verify "nothing is going on - all is calm". Then he
goes in, packs and who knows what else, and leaves.

The only thing that bothers me is his kocking. Is there any chance he
thought she might still be alive and would answer the door? ! He does
kock a number of times in severalseries of knocks ... knocks softly as
if he is trying to avoid to raising any suspicion.

I think his knocking was all for show like the coffee cups and being locked out was.
 
  • #765
I thought I heard Jean C. say that they did not remember him coming into the 24 hour store. Sorry cannot remember which show I heard it on.

What I heard is Jean went across to the to see if they recall Joran coming into the store ~8:00 AM, they told Jean the store didn't open until 9:00 AM.

Later in the day, videos are in one of the threads as I recorded it. Jean C stated it wasn't the store across the street but the store at the gas station or next to it.
 
  • #766
How on earth was he going to explain where he was going with the coffee and danish...'cause he was leaving at one point.

I think he came out to see what was going on in the hallway.
To do recon on the hallway etc. The cups are an excuse to be
there. But, it does look to me like he suddenly notices the security
cam maybe for the first time and gets immediately flustered from there
and ....... what to do now! ?
 
  • #767
OOPS - sorry :( I don't have that statement -- will try to find it too.

Mel

Maybe a simple search on this forum will bring it up. Right now I can't see the screen.
 
  • #768
Maybe a simple search on this forum will bring it up. Right now I can't see the screen.


LOL are you eyes glazed over?
 
  • #769
Do you have a link to the article about the clerk? Many of us are looking for it. TIA!

The statement could be anywhere. It could be during Nancy, or Peruvian coverage, but I heard it in English. Just can't pin point where, when, if it was at the hotel in the very beginning. I recall the man upset that he didn't see anything.
 
  • #770
LOL are you eyes glazed over?

Yes, it's 2:30 AM and haven't gone to bed much before 1:00 Am the last week. Way too old for this hour and make sense at the same time.
 
  • #771
Wow, like many of you, I was on my way to bed when the coffee video and the casino stills were posted.

I'm still reeling and I can't stop reviewing them.

Huge thanks to the WSers who posted them!
 
  • #772
Yes, it's 2:30 AM and haven't gone to bed much before 1:00 Am the last week. Way too old for this hour and make sense at the same time.

I know I totally believe what you say is the fact. Go to bed before you fall off your chair. lol
 
  • #773
The statement could be anywhere. It could be during Nancy, or Peruvian coverage, but I heard it in English. Just can't pin point where, when, if it was at the hotel in the very beginning. I recall the man upset that he didn't see anything.

I know! it;s making me :banghead:!

I NEED sleep too.

Have a good night!
 
  • #774
Can anyone make a new thread & pm a mod to close this one?

Also, can someone bring over the relevant videos/links?

I would but I don't really know how ...
 
  • #775
I am not just floating theories for a book proposal, I had a book deal.

I realize my speculation is far different from what most people are saying, and 100% contrary to everything the mainstream media is saying.

I haven't seen the coffee video yet. I will wait until doing so before speculating about it. However, from what has been described, it sounds very strange- not sure what to make of it.

Unreals... I look foward to reading and commenting on your latest postings but I'm so caught up in the newest video and am so tired and bleary eyed. I'm also interested in your take on it and how it fits in with your theory.

Suzi
 
  • #776
Can anyone make a new thread & pm a mod to close this one?

Also, can someone bring over the relevant videos/links?

I would but I don't really know how ...

Do you know how to PM a Mod?
 
  • #777
  • #778
Yes, you have to watch it a couple of times (if you're like me), but he has something underneath the coffee in what looks like a clear wrapper. Not the big pastries that I'm thinking of, but more like a coffee cookie? It took me a while to spot it though.

Now Mark Furhman said there was coffee in the cups, but spilled on the floor, along with the empty cups. So did he go out get coffee, come back, find her on the lap top, kill her, THEN leave the room with the 2 empty cups and pastry/cookies? Get the key from the TAC employee to set up an alibi.

If that's the case, there should be a couple more videos. And I don't know about the friend/intruder thing -- unless TAC can provide those videos.

I think I'm more confused than i was an hour ago.

MOO

Mel

OK if what Mark said is true that there was coffee spilled on the floor and if those are the uneaten pastries still in his hand I would agree the fight happened as soon as he first came back with the coffee and therefore it could be true that what upset him was the fact she was on his laptop.

Waiting for the next tape release so I can change my theory again....
 
  • #779
I wonder if a person has to have all the definitions of a "sociopath" to be a "sociopath" or does only one trait classify a person as a "sociopath."

I know pathological liars, but they don't have any of the other traits.

I know people who "live on the edge" of life, of which, I did when I was younger and didn't care.

My brother had behavioral problems as a child and academic problems in school, but none of the other traits.

I know a lot of people with poor work ethics, but no other signs.




To be diagnosed with a mental disorder, they are broken down in criterias. Here is the criteria on Antisocial Personality Disorder (Sociopathy, Psychopathy...) according to DSM IV

Diagnostic criteria for 301.7 Antisocial Personality Disorder
(cautionary statement)
A. There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

(1) failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
(2) deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
(3) impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
(4) irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
(5) reckless disregard for safety of self or others
(6) consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
(7) lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another

B. The individual is at least age 18 years.

C. There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.

D. The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.





CONDUCT DISORDERS Diagnostic Criteria

Diagnostic criteria for 312.8 Conduct Disorder (new code as of 10/01/96: 312.xx)
(cautionary statement)
A. A repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated, as manifested by the presence of three (or more) of the following criteria in the past 12 months, with at least one criterion present in the past 6 months:

Aggression to people and animals

(1) often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others
(2) often initiates physical fights
(3) has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others (e.g., abat, brick, broken bottle, knife, gun)
(4) has been physically cruel to people
(5) has been physically cruel to animals
(6) has stolen while confronting a victim (e.g., mugging, purse snatching, extortion, armed robbery)
(7) has forced someone into sexual activity

Destruction of property

(8) has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage
(9) has deliberately destroyed others' property (other than by fire setting)

Deceitfulness or theft

(10) has broken into someone else's house, building, or car
(11) often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., "cons" others)
(12) has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery)

Serious violations of rules

(13) often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years
(14) has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period)
(15) is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years

B. The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.

C. If the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.

Specify type based on age at onset:

Childhood-Onset Type: onset of at least one criterion characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years (new code as of 10/01/96: 312.81)

Adolescent-Onset Type: absence of any criteria characteristic of Conduct Disorder prior to age 10 years (new code as of 10/01/96: 312.82)

(new code as of 10/01/96: 312.89 Unspecified Onset)

Specify severity:

Mild: few if any conduct problems in excess of those required to make the diagnosis and conduct problems cause only minor harm to others

Moderate: number of conduct problems and effect on others intermediate between "mild" and "severe"

Severe: many conduct problems in excess of those required to make the diagnosis or conduct problems cause considerable harm to others
 
  • #780
yep, just did

:crazy:

Just PM her and ask her to start a thread and close this one. :)

I will move some of my videos over in about 8 hours.

Nite all.
 
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