Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #12

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  • #21
I was taking care of a sick family member all day. I missed everything. Obviously, I know JVDS was charged & sent to prison. Anyone care to fill me in on the highlights of the day?

We have a Media Thread now where all the latest that was reported today can be viewed. :)

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106482"]Stephany Flores Ramirez Media Links and Images **NO DISCUSSION** - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
 
  • #22
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2


"The Dutchman will be held in a solitary cell for at least four or five months," a prison official told The Daily Beast. "For his own safety we cannot mix him with the other prisoners. This murder case is so infamous that he could easily be killed. There are a lot of murderers in this prison, especially hit men who can easily be contracted from outside … To the criminal mind, it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They feel affronted that he's murdered a Peruvian girl and they would kill him for the honor of their country."

This may be the case...and is easy to make this statement..BUT..IMO...there are NOT enough of guards to make sure he is not killed...The prison is run by selected inmates...ANYTHING could happen to him...There are many...and only 1 of him...I see it happening...the next thing we may see/hear...he hanged himself....It happens..in these foreign prison..all the time..so I'm told
 
  • #23
Yikes - I think that's a bit of a stretch for the magazine. If you look back at his 2006 interview, he doesn't mention she told him she was a lesbian, or related to Hitler. He said "her mother is Hitler's sister". Which I think was just a mean and vindictful statement. Also, nothing about her falling alseep in the backseat -- she was alert the entire time (per JVS). She seemed okay as they walked on the beach.

The falling asleep part was on the beach (again, per JVS). Do I believe him -- not entirely.

Here are the words out of his mouth.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/video/joran-van-der-sloot-2006-interview-10828526

MOO

Mel

I do not know who put SF's sexuality in question, but I find it strange that both young women that we are aware of are labeled "lesbians". So JVS called NH a lesbian, could it have been that she did not want to do what he wanted her to do?
Calling her mother names is just a way to show his anger at BH for not leaving him alone.
 
  • #24
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-...-prison-and-murder-charges/?cid=hp:mainpromo2


"The Dutchman will be held in a solitary cell for at least four or five months," a prison official told The Daily Beast. "For his own safety we cannot mix him with the other prisoners. This murder case is so infamous that he could easily be killed. There are a lot of murderers in this prison, especially hit men who can easily be contracted from outside … To the criminal mind, it's an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. They feel affronted that he's murdered a Peruvian girl and they would kill him for the honor of their country."

It seems so silly to me that peruvian officials think that he wil be safe after four or five months. Maybe, this will allow Joran time to get to know the other inmates through his bars and bs his way into some sort of comraderie with the other inmates like Casey Anthony and Misty Croslin have tried to do?!?

Maybe PNP wants to keep him safe long enough to get him convicted?!? I dunno what to think, anymore.
 
  • #25
I apologize is this was addressed in a previous post. I watched the NG show the second airing tonight. Her lead on sentence sounded to me like she said something about Natalee's skull being found in Aruba, but it was noisy in the room, she quickly went to a commercial, and when she returned nothing more was said specific to that comment. Did anyone else hear that or something similar? Or is my mind so filled with info from Stephany's murder that my brain got it wrong?
 
  • #26
I apologize is this was addressed in a previous post. I watched the NG show the second airing tonight. Her lead on sentence sounded to me like she said something about Natalee's skull being found in Aruba, but it was noisy in the room, she quickly went to a commercial, and when she returned nothing more was said specific to that comment. Did anyone else hear that or something similar? Or is my mind so filled with info from Stephany's murder that my brain got it wrong?

I thought I heard that same thing in fact I know I did,lol....but then I had a phone call and could not concentrate on the show.
 
  • #27
So I guess he was going to claim somebody killed the girl while he was out getting coffee? But he didn't even leave the hotel to get the coffee? A brilliant mind he is not.

Hopefully the coffee thing will get sorted out in a few days. LOL

First we have Mark Fuhrman stating that the coffee was spilled on the floor and LE reporting only one cup with residue found in the room.

Then we have a Peruvian paper stating that Joran returned to the room after buying coffee at the mini-mart with two cups and returning to the lobby to pay up his past 2 days with one cup in his hands.

And, today we have Jean C reporting that both cups of coffee were found in the room with coffee still evident in both cups along with video of Joran fake knocking on the door with two cups in his hand only to go down to the lobby and get the maid to come up and let him in while he still had two cups in his hand.

Things that make you go, hmmmmmm!
 
  • #28
I apologize is this was addressed in a previous post. I watched the NG show the second airing tonight. Her lead on sentence sounded to me like she said something about Natalee's skull being found in Aruba, but it was noisy in the room, she quickly went to a commercial, and when she returned nothing more was said specific to that comment. Did anyone else hear that or something similar? Or is my mind so filled with info from Stephany's murder that my brain got it wrong?

I heard that also on her show tonite...There was a doctor saying IF there was a skull, a lot could be determined from examing it..like if it was crushed. It was not clear to me that a skull was found...I believe if that had been the case...It would be all over the news and repeated BOMBSHELLS on her show tonight but you are right..just a mention of a skull ONE TIME..
 
  • #29
I'm sure this has already been discussed (I'm a little behind, sorry), but I heard today that JVS was sent to Castro Castro prison. What bothers me is he's going to be given special treatment! He's a murderer, just like so many in the prison. His lawyer calls it “Dante’s Inferno.” Interesting enough The prison does have a soccer team that plays teams of inmates from other South American prisons. They even call it a World Cup!

A bit dissapointing if you ask me.

At Castro Castro prison, Van der Sloot was fed the Peruvian chicken dish "seco de pollo," prisons director Ruben Rodriguez said.

The Dutchman will have his own cell in a small block near the director's office. Rodriguez said Van der Sloot asked to be put in a cell by himself because he fears other inmates will kill him.

The only other two prisoners on the block are a reputed Colombian hit man charged with strangling a Peruvian socialite and a provincial mayor charged with laundering drug money


Linky:

http://www.marinij.com/tablehome/ci_15275457

and more here:

http://www.anewsviews.com/castro-castro-prison-peru/
 
  • #30
I thought I heard that same thing in fact I know I did,lol....but then I had a phone call and could not concentrate on the show.

Neither of you were hearing things. I heard it too and shoooshed my husband because I thought she had another BOMBSHELL. Only to be disappointed that at the end of her show she asked some guy (talking head) IF they could find Natalie's skull during a new search what information would they be able to garner from it.

What else is new on HLN?!?
 
  • #31
I do not know who put SF's sexuality in question, but I find it strange that both young women that we are aware of are labeled "lesbians". So JVS called NH a lesbian, could it have been that she did not want to do what he wanted her to do?
Calling her mother names is just a way to show his anger at BH for not leaving him alone.

He clearly states they (JVS & NH) made out, he was on top of her, etc. So this is all very strange to me. He hasn't mentioned (that I know of) any type of kissing with Stephany.

I just hate it when he was all high and mighty (in 2006) calling NH names (as well as her mother). Then again, Karma certainly has come back to bite him.

MOO

Mel
 
  • #32
Hopefully the coffee thing will get sorted out in a few days. LOL

First we have Mark Fuhrman stating that the coffee was spilled on the floor and LE reporting only one cup with residue found in the room.

Then we have a Peruvian paper stating that Joran returned to the room after buying coffee at the mini-mart with two cups and returning to the lobby to pay up his past 2 days with one cup in his hands.

And, today we have Jean C reporting that both cups of coffee were found in the room with coffee still evident in both cups along with video of Joran fake knocking on the door with two cups in his hand only to go down to the lobby and get the maid to come up and let him in while he still had two cups in his hand.

Things that make you go, hmmmmmm!

Perhaps it was this way...he did go after coffee...he sat in the room and drank them...with her dead body..then he takes the EMPTY cups and plays out the scene appearing to be locked out....(just guessing)
 
  • #33
suzihawk and others,

I really don't mean to be coy, and I would be much more detailed about things, but I am bound by contractural obligations to save most of this stuff for the book. I also have to careful about anything I say regarding Beth and her family/friends, because I don't want to violate forum rules.

That being said, the powerful interests that covered up Natalee's death revolve around the drug trade in Aruba (and elsewhere, including Peru) and government officials who profit financially from it. I really don't know why Joran was targeted initially; it may just have been a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I still can't completely figure out why Beth focused so exclusively on him from the outset (and believe me, there is evidence to indicate there was no logical reason to do so). I believe, at some point, due to Joran's seeming lack of sympathy for her, and his ever changing stories, that it became personal for Beth.

I can only speculate about exactly what happened in Peru, but that speculation will naturally be influenced by the research I've conducted on the Holloway case. I can't help but strongly believe the two cases are connected, even without the incredible five year anniversary date "coincidence," and the sudden news about the "extortion" plot, breaking nationally on the exact day Joran was apprehended. I've tried to post a plausible scenario, but I fully realize that most of you will find it preposterous.

As for the coffee video, I respectfully question the dire interpretations about Joran appearing confounded in the hallway, weakly knocking on a door that isn't fully closed, etc. There is no question that it looks very weird, but I can't see as how it is an indication of guilt. And, of course, getting the hotel employee to open the door just makes no sense to me, if there is a dead body behind that door, unless you want it to be discovered, which obviously wasn't the case, since Joran didn't point it out.

Joran appears to lack the capacity to make sound judgments, and his morality clearly is impaired where money is involved. There are far too many young people now who share these unfortunate traits. If I were to mimic Kelly, and play armchair analyst, I'd say that Joran has some mild form of autism, which is reflected in the impassive look he often projects and the apparent lack of empathy he shows towards others. Of course, I could easily be wrong- this is just a guess to explain his habitual lying and failure to understand the seriousness of a situation.

I won't be on the forum again until tomorrow, but I thank those of you who are at least according my outlandish notions some respect.
 
  • #34
I apologize is this was addressed in a previous post. I watched the NG show the second airing tonight. Her lead on sentence sounded to me like she said something about Natalee's skull being found in Aruba, but it was noisy in the room, she quickly went to a commercial, and when she returned nothing more was said specific to that comment. Did anyone else hear that or something similar? Or is my mind so filled with info from Stephany's murder that my brain got it wrong?
I heard that, but I think she made it sound hypothetical.
 
  • #35
Regarding Stephany's sexuality, I believe she was a lesbian or at least bi as I saw an article that quoted a former girlfriend of Stephany's saying that she was out but her family was unhappy about it. If I can find the story again I will post it.

As far as Joran calling Natalee a lesbian, I'm sure he meant that as an insult, but Stephany actually apparently dated women if not exclusively fairly exclusively according to her friends.

Also, this is my first post. I was invited here by my friend GuardianAngel who is also relatively new. Wonderful forum and site full of sincere, concerned, informed and thoughtful people!
 
  • #36
I'm not one to agree with you and your particular conspiracy theory, Unreals. I do find you thought provoking and interesting to say the least. Also, I do enjoy thinking outside the box and want justice all the same. Thank you for posting your thoughts and good luck with your book.
 
  • #37
It seems so silly to me that peruvian officials think that he wil be safe after four or five months. Maybe, this will allow Joran time to get to know the other inmates through his bars and bs his way into some sort of comraderie with the other inmates like Casey Anthony and Misty Croslin have tried to do?!?

Maybe PNP wants to keep him safe long enough to get him convicted?!? I dunno what to think, anymore.

Color me crazy, but I think the peruvian officials must keep him safe until trial. Once he's in front of the judge(s) and sentenced, then he's fair game and will be treated like the rest of the sentenced prisoners.

Anyway, I agree with you -- they need to keep him safe long enough to get him convicted. Innocent until proven guilty right? Or do they even use that statement in Peru?

MOO

Mel
 
  • #38
I'm not one to agree with you and your particular conspiracy theory, Unreals. I do find you thought provoking and interesting to say the least. Also, I do enjoy thinking outside the box and want justice all the same. Thank you for posting your thoughts and good luck with your book.

I agree, and while we can banter back and forth, we do so with respect. I appreciate the other side. Without it, life would be rather boring wouldn't it. Good luck Unreals, and we'll see you tomorrow :)

Mel
 
  • #39
suzihawk and others,

I really don't mean to be coy, and I would be much more detailed about things, but I am bound by contractural obligations to save most of this stuff for the book. I also have to careful about anything I say regarding Beth and her family/friends, because I don't want to violate forum rules.

That being said, the powerful interests that covered up Natalee's death revolve around the drug trade in Aruba (and elsewhere, including Peru) and government officials who profit financially from it. I really don't know why Joran was targeted initially; it may just have been a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I still can't completely figure out why Beth focused so exclusively on him from the outset (and believe me, there is evidence to indicate there was no logical reason to do so). I believe, at some point, due to Joran's seeming lack of sympathy for her, and his ever changing stories, that it became personal for Beth.

I can only speculate about exactly what happened in Peru, but that speculation will naturally be influenced by the research I've conducted on the Holloway case. I can't help but strongly believe the two cases are connected, even without the incredible five year anniversary date "coincidence," and the sudden news about the "extortion" plot, breaking nationally on the exact day Joran was apprehended. I've tried to post a plausible scenario, but I fully realize that most of you will find it preposterous.

As for the coffee video, I respectfully question the dire interpretations about Joran appearing confounded in the hallway, weakly knocking on a door that isn't fully closed, etc. There is no question that it looks very weird, but I can't see as how it is an indication of guilt. And, of course, getting the hotel employee to open the door just makes no sense to me, if there is a dead body behind that door, unless you want it to be discovered, which obviously wasn't the case, since Joran didn't point it out.

Joran appears to lack the capacity to make sound judgments, and his morality clearly is impaired where money is involved. There are far too many young people now who share these unfortunate traits. If I were to mimic Kelly, and play armchair analyst, I'd say that Joran has some mild form of autism, which is reflected in the impassive look he often projects and the apparent lack of empathy he shows towards others. Of course, I could easily be wrong- this is just a guess to explain his habitual lying and failure to understand the seriousness of a situation.

I won't be on the forum again until tomorrow, but I thank those of you who are at least according my outlandish notions some respect.
Do I understand you are saying that JVS is mentally challenged and that others are using him as a scapegoat?
Are you implying that BH has murdered in Peru using him as her hand to do the "work"?
If I read you correctly, please, let me know the name of this book since I want to make sure I do NOT purchase it ever.
 
  • #40
suzihawk and others,

I really don't mean to be coy, and I would be much more detailed about things, but I am bound by contractural obligations to save most of this stuff for the book. I also have to careful about anything I say regarding Beth and her family/friends, because I don't want to violate forum rules.

That being said, the powerful interests that covered up Natalee's death revolve around the drug trade in Aruba (and elsewhere, including Peru) and government officials who profit financially from it. I really don't know why Joran was targeted initially; it may just have been a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. I still can't completely figure out why Beth focused so exclusively on him from the outset (and believe me, there is evidence to indicate there was no logical reason to do so). I believe, at some point, due to Joran's seeming lack of sympathy for her, and his ever changing stories, that it became personal for Beth.

I can only speculate about exactly what happened in Peru, but that speculation will naturally be influenced by the research I've conducted on the Holloway case. I can't help but strongly believe the two cases are connected, even without the incredible five year anniversary date "coincidence," and the sudden news about the "extortion" plot, breaking nationally on the exact day Joran was apprehended. I've tried to post a plausible scenario, but I fully realize that most of you will find it preposterous.

As for the coffee video, I respectfully question the dire interpretations about Joran appearing confounded in the hallway, weakly knocking on a door that isn't fully closed, etc. There is no question that it looks very weird, but I can't see as how it is an indication of guilt. And, of course, getting the hotel employee to open the door just makes no sense to me, if there is a dead body behind that door, unless you want it to be discovered, which obviously wasn't the case, since Joran didn't point it out.

Joran appears to lack the capacity to make sound judgments, and his morality clearly is impaired where money is involved. There are far too many young people now who share these unfortunate traits. If I were to mimic Kelly, and play armchair analyst, I'd say that Joran has some mild form of autism, which is reflected in the impassive look he often projects and the apparent lack of empathy he shows towards others. Of course, I could easily be wrong- this is just a guess to explain his habitual lying and failure to understand the seriousness of a situation.

I won't be on the forum again until tomorrow, but I thank those of you who are at least according my outlandish notions some respect.

So if Joran divulges the location of Natalee's body and it is found then you will concede that all your conspiracy theories are wrong?

I suppose your book will fall flat as it would now contain nothing but fiction?

Concerning your book deal, I hope you negotiated a sweet upfront payment.:highfive:

Dude, The guy was broke, flat out busted, he had no money to get home, he had to rob Stephany to get the funds to exit the country.

It's that simple.
 
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