Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #12

[panthera]

Stephany's father says on his interview that there was a receipt for the coffee from the gas station with the date of May 30 but no time. He also said that Joran did not show up at the casino until 2:01 am and Stephany came in at 2:36. I don't know if there is any more video we have not seen re the coffee or not. The Guardia guy says he never went out for coffee--just pretended to. So confusing.

BBM

Could it be possible Joran got the coffee before going to the casino, took it to his room, left the cups there and then used them for the later ruse? :waitasec:

 

[Carolina Girl]

Has this been posted yet?

The Daily Beast 2010-06-11

In the above
"At the very beginning of Van der Sloot's interrogation earlier this week, he hinted that he would reveal what really happened to Natalee Holloway, the young American woman he was suspected of killing in Aruba in 2005—but only if he could be returned to the Aruban authorities to do so."

I bet he would love to get to Aruba, but that is NOT gonna happen...They said he was crying wolf....imagine that! Guess he knew fast he was in deep doo?

 

[suzihawk]

I think I have forgot, but what did Joran do in Aruba for a Job???? and what has he done in the 5 years since then for a Job...Plus what happened to his inherientence from his father??? Did he inherit or did Jordans mother get it all. Plus where is Jordans mother during all this and the last five years...Sorry this seems like alot of questions ar one time but I was just thinking......

Gambling, human trafficking, extortion, author (as I just discovered today), general con man and I think he owned a coffee shop in Thailand for a week or so.

 

[mck16]

BBM

Could it be possible Joran got the coffee before going to the casino, took it to his room, left the cups there and then used them for the later ruse? :waitasec:

Wasn't he carrying a cup or cups when they entered the hotel in the first video? What was in those I wonder.

 

[Chanler]

The video shows him coming to the room with two coffees. But, it also shows that he is wearing the same red shirt he had on when he left the hotel the last time. So, I would think she was already dead when he went out for the coffees. He had changed clothes.

So, the reports that he had on his same white shirt are wrong. He did not leave and come back to find her looking at his lap top. So that is a lie.

Hi, MCK16. In a videotaped 2006 interview, Joran said that he hadn't given much thought to his lies about Natalee; they were just pieced together. I think that this alibi, or partial alibi was also an improvised narrative, partly created because of his long-standing belief that he was being pursued because of the Holloway incident. In addition to that and the red shirt, there are other reasons to regard it as inaccurate:

1. The time between the return from the coffee and him leaving the hotel is relatively short, whereas there were hours between Staphany's arrival and his shirt change.

2. Stephany was found dead wearing sleeping apparel (a t-shirt and panties). It's quite possible that they had different ideas about what would happen: Stephany imagining that she could crash safely in Joran's hotel room, since he was a soft-spoken guy would already know that she was a lesbian and having her period. Joran having other ideas.

3. It makes more sense that the coffee would seem most essential before a long, arduous early morning emergency trek away from the scene of a crime. Why would the pair want to stay up any later than they already had?

P.S. In answer to your last query; no, he didn't have the coffees when he first entered.

 

[LadyL]

Per posts on page 17 and 18 of this thread it means, no worries, it will be all right. A Thai phrase.

yes I know that ... I was being sarcastic :crazy:

 

[Carolina Girl]

yes I know that ... I was being sarcastic :crazy:

Sorry, I thought it was a question....

 

[suzihawk]

Here are a few of the documented links of additional acts of RAGE and Anger by JVDS, some of which you also asked earlier for the links to. With this latest murder there is now so much new information on the web when you google his name + one or two words, searching specific past infractions about 'a family pet' from years ago, it becomes much more difficult to locate since he is the suspect/'confessed killer' of now Two Murdered Female Humans. I found the first post on this forum about JVDS's reported dog beating/killing history on Websleuths. Personally, that is where I first read about it and noted so on my 1st post here about it. I will search the web to see if I can provide the link the original poster here quoted in their information posted here.

Throwing Man Over Bridge:

http://www.dailyfreshnews.info/1851/van-der-sloot-confessed-to-crime/

"He said the case in Peru is very important for Aruba because it indicates a modus operandi of the Dutchman.
About abroad said is a psychopath who consistently demonstrates his actions, an uncontrollable rage.
The news man said that during the time that Van der Sloot was educated at the island, his fellow abused children, even recalled that he once threw a man overboard from a bridge."
“We have quantities of evidence and confirmation from their school teachers who leave no doubt that he is a guy who can not control the anger in it,” he said.

~Joran Throws water against wall in anger during interview:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/in...ormat=&page=2&listingType=intamer#articleFull

"Polygraph tests are inadmissible as evidence in the Netherlands, and Schalke said police did not follow up after the results were broadcast on TV.
After Van der Sloot was shown the test results, Amesz asked him on camera what he thought the consequences would be.
Rather than answer, he grabbed a glass of water from the table, spun out of his chair and smashed it in fury against a wall."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...oot+throws+wine+face&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

"A fixture on true crime shows and in tabloid newspapers after Holloway's disappearance, he gained a reputation for lying – even admitting a penchant for it – and also exhibited a volatile temper. In one Dutch television interview he threw a glass of wine in a reporter's face. In another, he smashed a glass of water against a wall."

Dog Beating Post Referenced at Websleuths:

See Joran Van Der Sloot Caught #3- Page 29 ~Post Number 712
See Joran Van Der Sloot Caught #3- Page 31 ~Post Number 771-Which states words to the effect :

'That it seems that JVDS originally blamed one of his friends for killing the dog. But after the friend's mother talked to him, Joran finally admitted he had killed his dog himself.'
(respectfully reworded from post number 771 JVDS Caught Thread #3 page 31)


And this one below as well about the dog beating respectfully snipped:

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Originally Posted by Beatrice

Scary fellow.. Imagine if he was out on the streets until he was in his 30's? Look at all the damage he has done between 17 and 22 (not to mention the dog killing incident that happened when he was even younger).

Thanks so much for this post, angelwings. I tried to research it a bit yesterday, but, as you said, since the recent events its much more difficult to find anything.

I remember first reading about him beating the family dog to death on the Scared Monkeys forum years ago. At that time, there were a lot of locals (Arubans) that knew him and his family personally (or of them) so there were a lot of first hand recollections and stories.

 

[mck16]

Hi, MCK16. In a videotaped 2006 interview, Joran said that he hadn't given much thought to his lies about Natalee; they were just pieced together. I think that this alibi, or partial alibi was also an improvised narrative, partly created because of his long-standing belief that he was being pursued because of the Holloway incident. In addition to that and the red shirt, there are other reasons to regard it as inaccurate:

1. The time between the return from the coffee and him leaving the hotel is relatively short, whereas there were hours between Staphany's arrival and his shirt change.

2. Stephany was found dead wearing sleeping apparel (a t-shirt and panties). It's quite possible that they had different ideas about what would happen: Stephany imagining that she could crash safely in Joran's hotel room, since he was a soft-spoken guy would already know that she was a lesbian and having her period. Joran having other ideas.

3. It makes more sense that the coffee would seem most essential before a long, arduous early morning emergency trek away from the scene of a crime. Why would the pair want to stay up any later than they already had?

P.S. In answer to your last query; no, he didn't have the coffees when he first entered.

The attorney on the Geraldo show mentioned that they could have gone back to Joran's room because he told her he had games on his computer. I assumed he was talking about poker games, eg. different strategies. He then said "there was a tournament". I assumed he meant there was a tournament the next day they could have been preparing for.

What was in the cups he took in? I don't remember the inventory of the room. tia

 

[i.b.nora]

The problem with the Geraldo coffee video that was shown tonight was that he cut out the part showing Joran coming OUT of the hotel room holding the coffee cups. That is what is once again totally confusing people.

 

[i.b.nora]

I think the complete COFFEE VIDEO is here:

http://translate.google.com/transla...r-llaves-cuarto-donde-asesino-stephany-flores

 

[panthera]

Wasn't he carrying a cup or cups when they entered the hotel in the first video? What was in those I wonder.

The first video that was released was of him entering the hotel lobby with Stephany, where he picked up the key from the front desk. I don't remember him having anything else in his hands. MOO

 

[mck16]

The problem with the Geraldo coffee video that was shown tonight was that he cut out the part showing Joran coming OUT of the hotel room holding the coffee cups. That is what is once again totally confusing people.

Thank you. I thought I was losing it. I knew I didn't see him coming Out of the room. I just saw him fumbling and then getting the guy to open the door for him.

I am also wondering if they tested him for drugs, or alcohol when they arrested him in Chile? If they waited to test him when he was in Peru couldn't most of the drugs be out of his system? I am just wondering. tia

 

[Carolina Girl]

The problem with the Geraldo coffee video that was shown tonight was that he cut out the part showing Joran coming OUT of the hotel room holding the coffee cups. That is what is once again totally confusing people.

OMG! Why would they not show that part of it? I did not see the show, but thank you for that information.

I leave it with you all..HAGN.

 

[i.b.nora]

Well, marijuana and cocaine both stay in your system for a significant number of days.
They have said in the last day or so that he had no drugs in his system, and neither did she.

 

[LadyL]

Sorry, I thought it was a question....

sok, I should've made my sarcasm more apparent
'tis difficult on the internet :blushing:

 

[panthera]

Thank you. I thought I was losing it. I knew I didn't see him coming Out of the room. I just saw him fumbling and then getting the guy to open the door for him.

I am also wondering if they tested him for drugs, or alcohol when they arrested him in Chile? If they waited to test him when he was in Peru couldn't most of the drugs be out of his system? I am just wondering. tia

IIRC, he wasn't even in handcuffs in Chile so I doubt they would have done any drug testing. Chile was only detaining him on behalf of Peru. It was when he was escorted to the border that Peruvian LE formally arrested him. It would also depend on the frequency of drug usage how long it would remain in his system, however, it is good that no drugs were found as it allows for more severe charges in this case. MOO

 

[Nancy2441]

I like everything Mark says.

Me, too!!

 

[Paintr]

I wonder if, now that Joran's father is dead and Joran is in jail in Peru, someone on Aruba might come forward with new info on Natalee's case. Maybe the fear of retailation may be gone. Does the same police chief (as when Natalee died) still hold office in Aruba?

 

[panthera]

I wonder if, now that Joran's father is dead and Joran is in jail in Peru, someone on Aruba might come forward with new info on Natalee's case. Maybe the fear of retailation may be gone. Does the same police chief (as when Natalee died) still hold office in Aruba?

I'm not sure about the police chief, but I would hope that if someone knows anything about what happened to Natalee and has been afraid to talk up to now, may feel a little easier about it now.


Good night everyone ~ :seeya: