Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #16

[FLNY]

Just found an interesting report from a Dutch newspaper, entitled: "Prototype of a classic psychopath" which states that VDS was in therapy as a youth.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1386606.ece/Prototype_van_een_klassieke_psychopaat

"Joran van der Sloot (22) exhibits virtually all the major features of a classic psychopath...

Also, Peter R. de Vries believes ... Van der Sloot in his youth already struggling to curb his aggression. 'He went to a psychologist because he abused his brother. Later he was arrested because [of] a drifter he had thrown off a bridge. He himself is not under control.'...

His mother has he cheated a few times, he borrowed money and cheated her. Among them are many difficulties"

 

[Pondering Mind]

Reading the article that Bobarino posted the link to (TYVM!) Jorans' mother's says-

Speaking from her home in Aruba, Anita van der Sloot told the paper she had spoken to Joran shortly before he fled to Chile and he sounded very paranoid. He felt he was being 'followed and looked at,' she told the paper.

and as I read it, I thought...well, no doubt he sounded paranoid..I imagine even a sociopath would be paranoid if he was in the middle of an extortion plot..too bad that he wasn't being followed..


read more @
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/my_son_is_sick_in_his_head_say.php

 

[Eileen O'B]

More on the parent-child privilege:

"And, Aruban law does not require parents and children to testify against one another. U.S. law does not recognize that privilege. "

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/05/30/aruba.mystery/index.html

 

[Bobarino]

Nope, I'm not convinced robbery was the motive. I think the money was just an added bonus. I think she simply pissed him off, said no to either sex or giving him money, and Joran doesn't like to hear, "no." He got angry, very angry and "went off."


If he planned to murder her to rob her, surely he could have thought of a better plan than doing it in his own hotel room.

Thanks for your reply. I respect your opinion.

Of course, this goes to his nature, illness, or whatever you wish to call it. While I think robbery was the motive, but you could be right about sex thrown in, the point is would anyone in control of themselves kill someone in the room registered to themself?

He never expected, nor planned, to kill someone there. He can't stop his impulses even if it will get him thrown in jail for the rest of his life.

I think he tried one scam after another with Stephany, maybe she even laughed at his sexual offers given the supposed circumstances. But once he starts, his depraved indifference to human, and animal, life then sees him not stop until the person (or animal) is dead.

In the case of his own family dog--if true, and I think it has not been corroborated?--it would imply he killed it just for the thrill or to see what would happen, as it is not likely the dog even did anything to insult him.

 

[panthera]

Reading the article that Bobarino posted the link to (TYVM!) Jorans' mother's says-

Speaking from her home in Aruba, Anita van der Sloot told the paper she had spoken to Joran shortly before he fled to Chile and he sounded very paranoid. He felt he was being 'followed and looked at,' she told the paper.

and as I read it, I thought...well, no doubt he sounded paranoid..I imagine even a sociopath would be paranoid if he was in the middle of an extortion plot..too bad that he wasn't being followed..


read more @
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2010/06/my_son_is_sick_in_his_head_say.php

Shortly before he fled to Chile? Well, wouldn't that be after he'd killed Stephany and was on the run from LE? I imagine he was being followed and "looked at". :waitasec: MOO

 

[newone]

Just found an interesting report from a Dutch newspaper, entitled: "Prototype of a classic psychopath" which states that VDS was in therapy as a youth.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1386606.ece/Prototype_van_een_klassieke_psychopaat

"Joran van der Sloot (22) exhibits virtually all the major features of a classic psychopath...

Also, Peter R. de Vries believes ... Van der Sloot in his youth already struggling to curb his aggression. 'He went to a psychologist because he abused his brother. Later he was arrested because [of] a drifter he had thrown off a bridge. He himself is not under control.'...

His mother has he cheated a few times, he borrowed money and cheated her. Among them are many difficulties"

I love this link.....it explains so much

 

[BuzzieCat]

I don't think he planned to murder her when he took her to the hotel room, but likely to drug her so she wouldn't remember what happened and she would wake up without the money. MOO

Probably true, but then what was he going to do? If he drugged her, stole her money, and left her alive, he couldn't have expected to go back to that particular casino and participate in the big event, surely?

 

[Eileen O'B]

Even more than you wanted to know on parent-child privilege.

Assuming this case is still good law, it appears that there is a privilege under the Napoleonic Code:

"The Napoleonic Code also prevented the disclosure of confidences between family members." J. Tyson Covey, Note, Making Form Follow Function: Considerations in Creating and Applying a Statutory Parent-Child Privilege, 1990 U. Ill. L.Rev. 879, 883. The civil law countries of Western Europe including France, Sweden, and the former West Germany also recognize a privilege covering compelled testimony from family members."

http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F3/103/103.F3d.1140.95-7354.96-7530.96-7529.html


So, if Peru follows the Napoleonic Code, there is probably a parent-child privilege, unlike here in the States.

 

[FLNY]

I love this link.....it explains so much

Yes...finally we've got that 'throwing a man off a bridge' rumor corroborated!

 

[catlover]

"Joran van der Sloot sounds like nothing but a spoiled brat that has been able to do just as he pleased by his Parents so seems to think the rest of the world should cater to his every whim and when others do not he thinks he has every right to kill or whatever else he chooses to do to them,after all I'm special how dare you not do or give me whatever I want.Rotten Apple to the core.

 

[panthera]

Probably true, but then what was he going to do? If he drugged her, stole her money, and left her alive, he couldn't have expected to go back to that particular casino and participate in the big event, surely?

Maybe he could, if she couldn't remember what happened to her? Just a thought since I can't read his mind, fortunately.

 

[jilly]

Just a couple of nuggets from the Peruvian Prison Director:

...His 2-by-3.5 metre (6-by-11 foot) cell faces the warden's office....

can't get anymore secure than that!

...As for food, Van de Sloot gets the same basic meals as every other inmate,...

good to know!

http://www.kbsradio.ca/news/56/1156863

 

[Eileen O'B]

Do not think so. Also Peruvian justice system mirrors the western European system(Napoleonic code). Testifying of parents against children or vice- versa is not allowed. I suspect that also applies in Peru. So AVDS can not be subpoenaed into a Peruvian court as a witness IMO.

I owe you an apology. You are entirely correct, there is a parent-child privilege under the Napoleonic Code. I posted a reference cite above.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Thanks for your reply. I respect your opinion.

Of course, this goes to his nature, illness, or whatever you wish to call it. While I think robbery was the motive, but you could be right about sex thrown in, the point is would anyone in control of themselves kill someone in the room registered to themself?

He never expected, nor planned, to kill someone there. He can't stop his impulses even if it will get him thrown in jail for the rest of his life.

I think he tried one scam after another with Stephany, maybe she even laughed at his sexual offers given the supposed circumstances. But once he starts, his depraved indifference to human, and animal, life then sees him not stop until the person (or animal) is dead.

In the case of his own family dog--if true, and I think it has not been corroborated?--it would imply he killed it just for the thrill or to see what would happen, as it is not likely the dog even did anything to insult him.

I don't think he meant to murder either of the girls. Not because he has a conscious, but because murder is rather inconvenient, he's lousy at it, it can be messy, ...etc.... Women are objects as is everyone else around him. He uses people and when he's done or they have nothing left to give, he moves on. he even tossed his dad under the bus as soon as he died.

I think his father knew Jordan couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and disposed of Natalee himself. Jordan has no idea where the remains are. His dad knew his own son was capable of blackmailing him, blaming him...etc..


I believe he's a psychopath with frontal lobe damage. He hasn't any executive functionality. None...zero.

 

[Bobarino]

Just found an interesting report from a Dutch newspaper, entitled: "Prototype of a classic psychopath" which states that VDS was in therapy as a youth.

http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article1386606.ece/Prototype_van_een_klassieke_psychopaat

"Joran van der Sloot (22) exhibits virtually all the major features of a classic psychopath...

Also, Peter R. de Vries believes ... Van der Sloot in his youth already struggling to curb his aggression. 'He went to a psychologist because he abused his brother. Later he was arrested because [of] a drifter he had thrown off a bridge. He himself is not under control.'...

His mother has he cheated a few times, he borrowed money and cheated her. Among them are many difficulties"

Thank you FLNY for finding and posting this article. It may clarify a few things. But the google translation i spoor. I wonder Rotterdam can do it? But iwill understnad if he does not have the time.

I don't agree with evreything said there and there expert has not examined JVDS, and so there is mostly generalities. She says that he scoped out Stephany because she came from a wealthy family. If she undrestood things, she would know, the last person you want to mess with is someone whose father ran for national vice-president.

But what may be of value is her descriotion of Joran abusing his younger siblings and such--assuming the paper verified this and that it is not based on rumors. It says that Joran stole money from his own mother, e.g.

 

[ks1]

Thank you.

I did not mention Casey Anthony at all, and am not really familiar with that at either the "local" level, or if that was part of the larger conspiracy,that often isinvolved in suchmatters, but may not at all be with KC (I don't know much details to comment).

And now that you expounded on TES, OK. I know a little about the Holloway matter and Miller. I have explained that I have only recently gotten in-depth into JVDS matter. But did read more on Holloway years ago. And have read much (and written some) on JonBenet, and then there is the vastly deeper level that the last is certainly involved in.

So I was referring more to the Ramsey matter when I used the c word.

I read that you have read much and written some on JonBenet so now that JR and BH are dating, these two and your conspiracy theories are somehow tied together? You have already stated that you won't go into detail, so I think that until you are willing to go into detail and offer information with links, you should quit offering little teasers and trying to create questions that the answers to could only be found in your mind.

 

[rotterdam]

Rotterdam can you tell me please whereabouts the information came that AVDS wanted JVDS locked away? I missed that one and not sure how far back to go to find it (if you could just give me a rough timeframe of which day it was posted I'll go back and find it TIA).

For the posters here that know Dutch law:

What is the process for having someone commited? How long can they be commited for? Etc?

Does Dutch law have what we in the USA call the Baker Act or 5150 (CA law code for involuntary commitment)?

TIA.

http://translate.google.com/transla...refox-a&hs=4kl&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't believe Jordan is a product of bad parenting. While I am sure lots of mistakes were made, none could possibly explain Joran's depravity. IMO

I believe his problems are organic in nature.

 

[Bobarino]

I don't think he meant to murder either of the girls. Not because he has a conscious, but because murder is rather inconvenient, he's lousy at it, it can be messy, ...etc.... Women are objects as is everyone else around him. He uses people and when he's done or they have nothing left to give, he moves on. he even tossed his dad under the bus as soon as he died.

I think his father knew Jordan couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and disposed of Natalee himself. Jordan has no idea where the remains are. His dad knew his own son was capable of blackmailing him, blaming him...etc..


I believe he's a psychopath with frontal lobe damage. He hasn't any executive functionality. None...zero.

Thanks. Your last sentence sounds like it came from a professional in the business?

But is this sentence not self-contradictory?:
"I think his father knew Jordan couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and disposed of Natalee himself."

Joran knowing of the father's deeds at all, then left the father at the mercy of his son who couldn't be trusted. Even if the father didn't tell him where...Joran still new that he disposed of the body--if he did.

But again if there was a much larger conspiracy involved, then the father knew he would have nothing to worry about RE both his actions and that of his son.

 

[jilly]

I agree, no amount would be enough. However I found it strange that his hotel room was only paid through the time when he actually left on the 30th and yet the poker tournament that he wanted to get into wasn't supposed to start for a couple of days, IIRC. Also, wouldn't there have been an entry fee for the tournament? I do think he was out of "available cash". MOO

Ita.

That is strange because he had supposedly paid for 2 wks, didn't he?

Didn't we read that he wasn't even registered to play in the tournament?

So I guess he had to get out of Aruba quickly because of the scheduled "therapy"/and/or extortion. Looks like he just pizzed away the $25k (less air fare to get there and possibly back) on gambling awaiting the Tournament?
I just looked up air fare Aruba to Peru - ($850-$1000 return)