Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #20

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  • #381
Does anyone have any info/links as to how/when Joran colored his hair after he left the motel in Stephany's car? In the motel videos it does not look like he's colored his hair yet, but after his arrest his hair is quite orangey.

As someone who has natural red hair, and who sometimes hennas it, it looks to me to be henna-colored. Any links?
 
  • #382
Does anyone have any info/links as to how/when Joran colored his hair after he left the motel in Stephany's car? In the motel videos it does not look like he's colored his hair yet, but after his arrest his hair is quite orangey.

As someone who has natural red hair, and who sometimes hennas it, it looks to me to be henna-colored. Any links?

He did it while on the lam.......pulled a Scott Peterson....thinking no one would recognize him......however it made him stand out like a sore thumb.

:dance:
 
  • #383
I hope that me calling someone a 'bum' was not a derogatory name variation? I don't know the person's name in question and was just repeating the term. Or am I missing something else?

derogatory name variations is an auto 2 day TO. take a moment to edit.
 
  • #384
Of course, from the video we've seen, Joran looks guilty. The problem is, we haven't seen video from before they came back together to his room (which would have shown someone else entering the room), and more importantly we haven't seen any video from the time after Joran left the hotel, which would have revealed if anyone else entered or left the room after that.

My suspicions were aroused immediately when I heard that a dead girl was found in Joran Van Der Sloot's room, on the exact five year anniversary of Natalee's disapperance. Yes, I'm prejudiced here, just as most people who already thought Joran had escaped justice in the Holloway case are prejudiced, too. I'm looking for loopholes in the Peru case, because I find the "coincidences" and ever changing "evidence" to be suspicious, and because I think Joran was unfairly hounded for Natalee's disappearance. Miost posters here, and most people in general, are looking for things to justify their predisposed antipathy towards Joran, which was fed and fueled for five years
by Nancy Grace, JVM, Geraldo, etc.

As I noted, we don't know if the real killer(s) left the room after Joran or not. The videotape would prove this one way or the other. You mention that the killers would have been covered with blood- that's exactly the point I made about Joran. Where was the blood on him? He looked totally clean (and unmarked from the struggle Stephany put up against him) when he left. And we do have video of this. We also don't have video of Joran stealing her money and her car. We have to take the Peruvian authorities' word for that....frankly I think their reputation for integrity leaves a lot to be desired...[snippped]

Again, all I'm doing is posting my thoughts, speculating, theorizing. The rest of you are doing the same thing. It's just that my thoughts and speculation run contrary to the majority of opinions here.


1. I agree. Joran looks guilty.
2. We haven't seen video taken before Joran and Stephany got to the hotel room. But we can be certain that Peruvian LE and Joran's defense attorney(s) have seen it. Why would Peru LE not want to know, for example, if Joran had an accomplice or if someone else was hiding in the room or if a hotel employee had gained access? It might also be that those cameras were monitored somewhere in the hotel; the hotel itself would be interested if only to check for security leaks.
3. Why would anyone pick the anniversary of Natalee's death to set up this guy? How could anyone count on him to even talk to Stephany? Note on the video that he is leading her as they go into the hotel, which suggests that she wasn't the leader or aggressor. It's a far more likely scenario that the date of Natalee's death had significance for Joran and might have triggered a response in him, given his stress over the extortion sting, his financial problems, and the narrowing options for him to support himself.
4. I don't consider myself prejudiced against Joran. I made a reasoned judgment about him after following the Holloway case, seeing him interviewed on TV, and hearing and seeing him confess to being present at Natalee's death. He has acknowledged that he is a liar, a characterization that his mother has agreed with publicly. I am just not surprised to see him repeat his mistakes in Aruba, this time without "home court advantage," people to clean up his mess, and someone to pay his bills.
5. If Joran was "hounded" after Natalee's disappearance, that seems to me the price of doing business--in this case, killing a tourist, telling lie after lie, and using connections to cover up and get away with it. I don't have a lot of sympathy for him, especially since he has made money on the death of a young woman who was last seen with HIM and confessed to knowing where her body is.
5. You say the "facts" keep changing. What changes are the details reported in tabloid media and Internet sites. What never changes are the facts that point to JORAN as the murderer.
6. The fact is that the US had no reason to set up a man who was already caught extorting money from US citizens and that the US probably also has grounds to charge him with murder of a US citizen abroad.
7. Joran doesn't look bloody because it was his hotel room and he could change clothes. Forensics will determine if there is DNA or blood from Stephany on Joran's clothes. Another killer would have to carry clean clothes and shoes. But that's a ridiculous scenario anyway, since the tape shows only Joran coming and going. There is no other "killer" lurking in the hotel room, waiting to kill only Stephany. Here's another thought: if people in the US wanted revenge, why not kill Joran instead of an innocent girl? Ya think there are no professionals capable of that in the Western hemisphere? And why wait 5 years?

A person who starts with the notion that Joran is never guilty will end up arguing that LE in Peru, Chile, the US and Aruba; Interpol; all of the psychologists who are seeing him; the hotel and it's employees; Stephany and her parents; the Holloways; respected attorney John Q. Kelly; and his own defense attorneys are in cahoots to frame Joran. 'Cause it would take all of them to do it. All to frame a guy stupid enough to get caught on tape extorting money and to insist on signed documents that make it clear that he was breaking the law. And even his mother has to be in on it, since she says he is "sick in the head."
 
  • #385
Yes, it does seem similar. No idea why red would be a good color- us gingers/daywalkers are pretty easy to pick out of a crowd, lol.

I am curious, though if anyone has a link to exactly where/when it happened. Where/when did he buy the dye?

ETA- Now that I think about it, why didn't Scott Peterson or Joran just shave their heads instead of dying their hair a ridiculous colour? Were they too narcissistic to be 'baldies'? Seems like being bald would have called less attention to them.

He did it while on the lam.......pulled a Scott Peterson....thinking no one would recognize him......however it made him stand out like a sore thumb.

:dance:
 
  • #386
The orange hair, why not just wear a hat.


It is so refreshing to hear a variety of opinions on this case. I keep wondering what else is being thought or discussed that we are not hearing about.
 
  • #387
There are/were a lot of petty sideways posts in here directed at members.
Please knock it off.
As I said, if you do not like or agree with another's POV, debate it with some civility or scroll by and ignore it, but don't insult directly or indirectly.

thanks.
 
  • #388
From this I get this......LOL

JVDS was imo a Donkey ....
SF was a better skilled poker player.....(no name for that)

Looks like the Donkey was headed to the Donkament.....but never made it.
He is a DOPEY Donkey................LOL

:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:



Today's he's relating to Eeyore (winnie the pooh)
 
  • #389
I hope that me calling someone a 'bum' was not a derogatory name variation? I don't know the person's name in question and was just repeating the term. Or am I missing something else?
changing Joran's first or last name into something other than what it is (or anyone elses) is what I am referring to. :)
 
  • #390
'Bum' throwing....

SANDER GOTTENBOS - WITNESS STATEMENT - 06/16/05
On your question if I was with Joran in the carnivals season when there was an incident, I will explain to you the following: Yes I was with him on that day. On that day there was a parade in Oranjestad. We stood on the bridge at the Wilhelmina Park. That moment a druggie came to us. Joran had given him . The druggie had thrown it on the ground and started annoying us. Joran had called the police force that stood near. The police force had removed the druggie. After a while the druggie returned and started annoying us. He had grabbed Satish at its hand and wanted with him fight. At that moment Joran grabbed him and threw him off the bridge into the water.

POLICE STATEMENT....NOT ANONYMOUS.

bolded by me.

It's difficult to understand the witness statement due to the good old robotic translator. Referring to the bolded sentences: "Joran had given him" --what does that mean--what did Joran give him? and what did the druggie throw on the ground? These things are not clear.
 
  • #391
Yes, it does seem similar. No idea why red would be a good color- us gingers/daywalkers are pretty easy to pick out of a crowd, lol.

I am curious, though if anyone has a link to exactly where/when it happened. Where/when did he buy the dye?

ETA- Now that I think about it, why didn't Scott Peterson or Joran just shave their heads instead of dying their hair a ridiculous colour? Were they too narcissistic to be 'baldies'? Seems like being bald would have called less attention to them.

SP claimed the chlorine in the pool turned it red.....LOL
Joran had to have bought it while on the run.....could it be that Henna is a dye that most Peruvians tend to use? Could it be that that was the first color he grabbed? It's reported that he is very very tall.....well over 6/2
while most Peruvians and Chileans are shorter... so whether or nor he colored his hair......he would still stand out in a crowd.

I'm sure his pic was plastered in every newspaper too.

He ran but he just couldn't hide.
 
  • #392
I read through all the police reports from the NH case and there were examples of Joran and his friends being questioned about incidents of gang rapes, although the guys denied that the police were pretty specific - girls names included etc. These sounded like local girls to me, because some of the incidents occurred in the girls' cars etc. Sounds to me like they could have prosecuted him for SOMETHING.

Anyway at the risk of getting off track here.....but it does add up to a long history of this kind of behaviour. There must be other girls out there...


I will have to dig way back, but there were 3 girls who came forward and claimed they were raped by Joran (possibly more, not sure), they went to the wrong lawyer (some conflict of interest for chosen lawyer) and he suggested another. I don't think they made it to a second lawyer although the original made a copy of their statements. Apparently Joe Tacopina and his henchman talked to the girls, iirc. They later dropped charges. As we heard it from a spokesperson, JR, from Aruba that Beth had paid the girls to trump up a confession against Joran. We heard alot of things from this person and she often contradicted herself. She has been on Joran's FB, definitely on that side anyway.
Deepak had said in a statement, when Joran picked up tourist girls and they weren't 'succumbing' fast enough, he would use some 'potion' to speed up the situation. The boys had use of a Marriott hotel room for these purposes.
We also can't forget that a few days after Natalee disappeared, the boys were talking of returning Freddie's camera.
Sorry off track as well; just adding to Joran's history that seemed never to be investigated properly.
Bottom line: If Natalee died of natural causes she wouldn't have needed to be disappeared. In Peru joran had a current chart but was unable to disappear Stepheny.
 
  • #393
I just hope that [VAN DER] Sloot isn't taken out before the Holloways find out his complete role in Natalee's disappearance. I know I'm grasping at straws here but if anyone needs closure (and boy I hate that word) it's the Holloways/Twitty family. Waiting all these years for something, anything regarding Natalee's disappearance/death , it's them.

I think [VAN DER] Sloot knew of the 5 year anniv. of Natalee and that was the main reason he contacted JQK about the money.......tossing out some crumbs to stir the pot and at the same time get his Donkament money for the up and coming tournament he signed on for.

AIMO
 
  • #394
I've been thinking about the bottle that was photographed in one of the crime scene pics.

I wish they put a direct arrow to it......and had it enlarged so that we could read or try to read the lable on the front.

Some thought it was a cleaning agent for the blood on the carpet.

Some thought it was henna for his hair......but if that's the case....he left "Tacky" without it......and his hair in the video of him leaving shows.....no hair dye or buzz cut.

So it's back to the cleaning agent.......

I think you mean the brown bottle in the crime scene photo - bottle of peroxide (to lighten hair or to clean blood from carpet), or a cleaning fluid, etc.

Believe Henna speculation was made concerning what appears to be a tin container in different photo on RDL:

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/71357/2010/06/exclusive-joran-van-der-sloot#image-load

Two different photos.
 
  • #395
I think Joran's full last name is 'van der Sloot'.
 
  • #396
I will have to dig way back, but there were 3 girls who came forward and claimed they were raped by Joran (possibly more, not sure), they went to the wrong lawyer (some conflict of interest for chosen lawyer) and he suggested another. I don't think they made it to a second lawyer although the original made a copy of their statements. Apparently Joe Tacopina and his henchman talked to the girls, iirc. They later dropped charges. As we heard it from a spokesperson, JR, from Aruba that Beth had paid the girls to trump up a confession against Joran. We heard alot of things from this person and she often contradicted herself. She has been on Joran's FB, definitely on that side anyway.
Deepak had said in a statement, when Joran picked up tourist girls and they weren't 'succumbing' fast enough, he would use some 'potion' to speed up the situation. The boys had use of a Marriott hotel room for these purposes.
We also can't forget that a few days after Natalee disappeared, the boys were talking of returning Freddie's camera.
Sorry off track as well; just adding to Joran's history that seemed never to be investigated properly.

Yes and YES, to your entire post, marikesh!

As to my bold above, JR had and still has many reasons to defend JVS and divert any attention away from him. Not the least is being one of AVS's closest friends. She's the editor in chief of 'Aruba Today', who's primary interest is to promote tourism in Aruba and was affiliated with many other tourism groups.

http://arubansecrets.blogspot.com/2005/07/does-julia-renfro-have-vested-interest.html


The following is another interesting (albeit long) read on just how deep the corruption ran in Aruba regarding Natalee's 'disappearance'.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.c...-max=2008-01-01T00:00:00-08:00&max-results=50

The renewed world interest and focus on JVS surely has to have many people in Aruba not sleeping well at night. IMO
 
  • #397
SP claimed the chlorine in the pool turned it red.....LOL
Joran had to have bought it while on the run.....could it be that Henna is a dye that most Peruvians tend to use? Could it be that that was the first color he grabbed? It's reported that he is very very tall.....well over 6/2
while most Peruvians and Chileans are shorter... so whether or nor he colored his hair......he would still stand out in a crowd.

I'm sure his pic was plastered in every newspaper too.

He ran but he just couldn't hide.

My thought is that he first tried bleaching his hair with peroxide, but it didn't turn blonde, it turned red. I know for a fact that's what happens on my medium brown hair (don't ask...I was young...only tried it on one small bit...LOL).

Then, since he couldn't stand the awful red color, he gave himself a very short buzz cut.

JMHO
 
  • #398
I just hope that [VAN DER]Sloot isn't taken out before the Holloways find out his complete role in Natalee's disappearance. I know I'm grasping at straws here but if anyone needs closure (and boy I hate that word) it's the Holloways/Twitty family. Waiting all these years for something, anything regarding Natalee's disappearance/death , it's them.

I think [VAN DER]Sloot knew of the 5 year anniv. of Natalee and that was the main reason he contacted JQK about the money.......tossing out some crumbs to stir the pot and at the same time get his Donkament money for the up and coming tournament he signed on for.

AIMO

You know...and I hate to say this, but I think the chances of Joran ever coming up with the actual scenario of what happened to Natalee are flat zero. He won't tell because he would lose face, he would also be giving up his ace in the hole and I don't think he would do that, but we can live in hope.

I remember reading Ted's final interviews with the FBI when they were trying to get him to identify all his victims, and even though he was scheduled to die it was like pulling teeth.

In the end, Bundy kept one secret for himself.
Detective Keppel's last question was about the murder of young Ann Marie Burr, Bundy's neighbor when he was a teenager. Bundy coolly shut down the interview for good.
Detective: "When and where was your first murder?"
Bundy: "One more question right?"
Detective: "Yeah. I'm sorry. I was just curious."
Bundy: "We'll have to bring that up, do that some other time. If there is another time."

http://www.kirotv.com/news/4182402/detail.html
 
  • #399
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/26/earlyshow/saturday/main6620493.shtml

excerpt:

Peruvian police say their search of van der Sloot's computer discovered e-mails relating to the Holloway case. In his confession, van der Sloot said he killed Flores after she read one of those e-mails.
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This will be interesting I believe.

Still wondering what language his computer is in.... ?? anyone know yet? :waitasec: TIA!
 
  • #400
Has it been established yet WHEN (time) the maid or whomever 'heard' the argument?? TIA!
 
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