Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #20

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  • #861
I didn't really look at this as a fake story.
I looked at it as Joran passing his demands along thru his attorney, or a paid guard.
IMO
 
  • #862
[ame="http://vimeo.com/3951430"]Mosquito on Vimeo[/ame]

Val Van der sloot. Creepy to the max. "Why can't I ever be the one in control".......
"I wish I was God sometimes. I wish I could pick people up and put them in their place"......
 
  • #863
What does he deserve Unreals? I'm curious to know what a person would deserve after misleading investigations, causing the police to spend thousands of dollars in searches, participating in interviews where he lies and then recants those lies, fabricating stories about other people being involved in attending to a woman in distress in front of her hotel,...what does he deserve from us?
Excellent post! If anybody has invited attention, suspicion, hatred...this "kid" sure has.
On a personal note, when NH went missing I didn't want to believe that a 17 year old kid could have been responsible for her disappearance/death. No way, no how. I had teenagers myself...this kid seemed to have everything going for him...just could not picture it. Why on earth would he hurt this beautiful girl? I really had myself convinced it just couldn't have been him. Then HIS stories started. Again and again and again. What he did to NH's family was/is despicable. I didn't want to believe it, but faced with his own behavior, his own words...I felt stupid for having ever been so naive. So, when Joran once again found himself in trouble I thought OMG!! How sick can you be? There is definitely something wrong with him. He's pure evil. It took me awhile...but I am no longer stupid.
 
  • #864
Even IF everything you (and most posters here) believe about Joran is true, he deserves justice. That means no highly incriminating fake stories like this one, citing anonymous "TV insiders" that, in Joran's present situation, most clearly do not have any access to him.

Of course, because Joran is being charged in Peru, it is hard to say just what rights what he, or any defendant, has under their system of law.
I think the point is/was how/why do people think what they do. The facts are the facts. Everything the poster said was factual.
 
  • #865
Without the National Enquirer, John Edwards could have won the Democratic nomination and he could have gotten away with hiding his child and mismistresses as he ran for president. The so-called mainstream media had heard the same rumors and sat on them. To my mind, the best news outlet is the one who gets the story and the truth as it can best be determined.

Hence, the National Enquirer's monopoly on the alien abduction and two-headed dog stories...

re bold - No No No - that would be the National Examiner... it's been quite a LONG time since the Natl Enqurier ran those stories...
 
  • #866
Thanks RR,
I have " kids with pronlems", they are autistic. For over twenty years I have learned how to get the best out of them. It takes time and patience, and it has taken a lot of sacrifice, but through this experience I became involved with other groups with conduct disorders, oppositional-defiance syndrome, ADHD, you name it.

The parenst at some point have to realize their children have this problem....and accept it. If you don't claim it there is no hope, ever, for your child, and I have been on Regional Boards, Tribunals, visited county jails, worked in Public Health, with Children and Family Services. The WHOLE family must work together or the whole family suffers.

When these issues are not addressed, or hidden due to some misplaced feelings of failure on the part of the parents, the child NEVER learns.

It's that simple.

Do I have compassion and sympathy? Yes. And respect for those families, who despite the odds against them manage to have some sort of a normal life despite the challenges.
And I have worked with families who have children who were incarcerated.

And I have also been a victim.

There must be justice for all, for the victim and the perpetrator. If someone is able to see this as a perpetrator then I have done my job. But if not society suffers. If someone is a danger to their family and society time will out them. There is no cure if it is ignored.


Joran was ignored and now all the attention in the world will not cure him.
 
  • #867
:waitasec: Do we have an English translation of Joran's confession??? Just wondering! TIA!
 
  • #868
Thanks RR,
I have " kids with pronlems", they are autistic. For over twenty years I have learned how to get the best out of them. It takes time and patience, and it has taken a lot of sacrifice, but through this experience I became involved with other groups with conduct disorders, oppositional-defiance syndrome, ADHD, you name it.

The parenst at some point have to realize their children have this problem....and accept it. If you don't claim it there is no hope, ever, for your child, and I have been on Regional Boards, Tribunals, visited county jails, worked in Public Health, with Children and Family Services. The WHOLE family must work together or the whole family suffers.

When these issues are not addressed, or hidden due to some misplaced feelings of failure on the part of the parents, the child NEVER learns.

It's that simple.

Do I have compassion and sympathy? Yes. And respect for those families, who despite the odds against them manage to have some sort of a normal life despite the challenges.
And I have worked with families who have children who were incarcerated.

And I have also been a victim.

There must be justice for all, for the victim and the perpetrator. If someone is able to see this as a perpetrator then I have done my job. But if not society suffers. If someone is a danger to their family and society time will out them. There is no cure if it is ignored.


Joran was ignored and now all the attention in the world will not cure him.
Bless you, Serena.
 
  • #869
  • #870
You're right, IF he killed Stephany. Some of us don't believe he did.

The point about the "TV insider" story is not to say that Joran hasn't helped to bring public condemnation upon himself. It is to criticize this bogus "news" story itself, which represents the kind of "journalism" that is becoming all too common in the U.S. No matter how bad Joran may or may not be, he doesn't deserve to have damaging stories invented about him.

Oh p-leaaaaaase! Joran has continuously shot himself in the foot with his own self serving damaging stories.....the media is just providing the ammo and shotgun.....and I think you have no right to single out the US in sensational journalism. His own homeground of The Netherlands has opted to run the gambit.
 
  • #871
  • #872
Mosquito on Vimeo

Val Van der sloot. Creepy to the max. "Why can't I ever be the one in control".......
"I wish I was God sometimes. I wish I could pick people up and put them in their place"......

WOW. thanks for bringing this here.
 
  • #873
Remember he also had foreign currencies, where did all that come from?

Just to refresh and keep track of: he states $15,000 and $10,000 payments from Uri Gellar for some TV fraud program he did for Geller?
Geller says not. But, these are the same amounts of the extortion payments. ($10k cash in Aruba from Kelly and $15k wired to his bank
inder Nederlandt. He appears to be fudging (lying) trying to throw the Peruvians off who he assumes will not know 'current news' ? :innocent:
 
  • #874
CRIME: Joran Van Der Sloot Visited In Jail By Mystery Woman Twice A Week

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...r-sloot-visited-jail-mystery-woman-twice-week

snipped:

Sources in Peru believe the mystery visitor has been sent by Joran’s mother, Anita to check-up on her son, who is also a suspect in the Natalee Holloway disappearance.

The Dutch national is still refusing to leave his cell to go out on the patio for walks but has finally started to eat the same food as the other inmates.

WHAT A PARTY POOPER HE IS! :truce:
 
  • #875
Just to refresh and keep track of: he states $15,000 and $10,000 payments from Uri Gellar for some TV fraud program he did for Geller?
Geller says not. But, these are the same amounts of the extortion payments. ($10k cash in Aruba from Kelly and $15k wired to his bank
inder Nederlandt. He appears to be fudging (lying) trying to throw the Peruvians off who he assumes will not know 'current news' ? :innocent:

IMO, he didn't want to be extradited to the US for prosecution (wrongful death or otherwise) and/or extortion charges. No mention of US in his confession. He just wanted to go home to Aruba and lie some more there. Maybe he thought Peru would think Stephany's murder was self-defense and this whole thing would go away.

Boy did he think wrong!
 
  • #876
I'm waiting patiently for the DNA results to come in so this thing can start moving in the direction of trial and not distraction by the more dramatic elements of characters and personalities that breeze in and out trying to get their fifteen minutes of fame and a handout.

Is the waiting game to play out a better portion of time served? Was it 2 days in, good behavior= 1 day less? Anyway, just have to sit and watch and see what tomorrow brings.
Thank you all for excellent reporting as usual. If I forget to thank you in your commentary it's because I am multitasking and behind in that regard :(

Thanks is to you! Your posts are simply GREAT!
 
  • #877
I missed that on HLN ~ so thank you for the update! And thank goodness Peru has that law. Reading about Joran willing to give interviews for a price I was curious if such a law exists; and thankfully Stephany's family can also file a civil suit.

unless he takes it in kind ?

_1 million rathole covers $1 @
_2 million tooth brushes $.5 @

should I post this!? :banghead:

On the other hand, they could raise his rent and HOHA fees and when he fails on his HOHA fees foreclose and sell off his matress:dance:! ALL LEGAL!
 
  • #878
Excellent post! If anybody has invited attention, suspicion, hatred...this "kid" sure has.
On a personal note, when NH went missing I didn't want to believe that a 17 year old kid could have been responsible for her disappearance/death. No way, no how. I had teenagers myself...this kid seemed to have everything going for him...just could not picture it. Why on earth would he hurt this beautiful girl? I really had myself convinced it just couldn't have been him. Then HIS stories started. Again and again and again. What he did to NH's family was/is despicable. I didn't want to believe it, but faced with his own behavior, his own words...I felt stupid for having ever been so naive. So, when Joran once again found himself in trouble I thought OMG!! How sick can you be? There is definitely something wrong with him. He's pure evil. It took me awhile...but I am no longer stupid.

Joran could never have pulled off what he has unless he had enablers
and people complicit ... this does not relieve him of responsibility but
others are responsible also, in my view. No man is an island!
 
  • #879
Hey Sanny.

I'm wodering if Peruvian law allows prisoners or those convicted to profit
from their crimes?
There's always a BS factor associated with JVS.

Oh Yah! How many catered meals do you think JVS can buy with a cool million.

According to the State Department Human Rights report for Peru, prison conditions are harsh although prisoners with money have access to everything from cell phones to drugs and catered meals.

Even if he gets 1/2 of the money he wants, he's going to live pretty sweet. He'll probably even get that curtain he wants too!

More here:

http://www.cbs42.com/mostpopular/st...ss-You-Have-Money/ujxqfBkSr021PnGhgwCa5Q.cspx

Mel
 
  • #880
Thanks RR,
I have " kids with pronlems", they are autistic. For over twenty years I have learned how to get the best out of them. It takes time and patience, and it has taken a lot of sacrifice, but through this experience I became involved with other groups with conduct disorders, oppositional-defiance syndrome, ADHD, you name it.

The parenst at some point have to realize their children have this problem....and accept it. If you don't claim it there is no hope, ever, for your child, and I have been on Regional Boards, Tribunals, visited county jails, worked in Public Health, with Children and Family Services. The WHOLE family must work together or the whole family suffers.

When these issues are not addressed, or hidden due to some misplaced feelings of failure on the part of the parents, the child NEVER learns.

It's that simple.

Do I have compassion and sympathy? Yes. And respect for those families, who despite the odds against them manage to have some sort of a normal life despite the challenges.
And I have worked with families who have children who were incarcerated.

And I have also been a victim.

There must be justice for all, for the victim and the perpetrator. If someone is able to see this as a perpetrator then I have done my job. But if not society suffers. If someone is a danger to their family and society time will out them. There is no cure if it is ignored.


Joran was ignored and now all the attention in the world will not cure him.

Great post, Selena. I retired from working with special needs students and I also worked with court/communtiy students. The latter can be quite charming like Joran, but in a matter of seconds can be real "jerks" when not getting their way. They know how to play the game! I wonder if Joran has alcohol syndrome....they could care less about right and wrong. They will do something just to make themselves feel good...even if it is wrong. No self control, etc. Just my thoughts.
 
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