Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #3

[darnudes]

I disagree with some posts that Joran will not live long enough to stand trail. The international spotlight is on Peru right now and they will make sure , he is not killed in prison. Donning on a bullet proof vest , is not standard procedure for an accused murderer. National Peruvian pride and PR at stake here. I also doubt Joran has to wait 2 years for a trial. His case will be expedited thru the court system IMO. The Peruvians have nifty ways to extract the truth and would also love to solve the Natalee enigma.
Yes, Joran picked the wrong country.

I think you're right, normally his case would languish depending on his lawyers and how much money he has available, but I agree, I think they will fast track this and keep him safe and sound to face judgment.

 

[KR2tonenow]

This is for WSer's who missed today's events!

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_...2010/06/04/joran2.jpg&size=640x449&quality=90

 

[legalmania]

He has the nerve to commit extortion so he could go commit murder. If I were his parents I would have to say sorry kid you're on your own.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...ephany_flores_murder_accused_of_holloway.html

 

[rotterdam]

Thank you! I see JVDS had on a bulletproof vest and cuffs. Will the Netherlands continue to protect him?

Of course not. He may have been a person with connections in self governing Aruba but he is a nobody, rather a national embarassment in Holland and just an accused murderer.

 

[Jaxson]

Basically this is what is going to happen:

- His family may stump up the money for a defense lawyer in Lima, they will have to have one from Lima/Peru who understands the law and the language.
- He may get assistance pro bono from a US lawyer but this will not be enough he will have to have a local lawyer.
- If he has no money and his family won't pay then he will be given a public defender who will file the paperwork and not much else, he will get close to no assistance for his trial, no private investigators, no expert witnesses, none of the Casey like carnival.
- His jail time before and after conviction will have to be fully self funded - you get next to nothing for free in a Peruvian jail.

Why would the US provide him with a pro bono atty.? They have nothing to do with a dutch criminal in Peru. And what US atty would offer themselves to help this guy? That just makes me sick to think about.

 

[suzihawk]

Chile Travel Dangers: pants falling off at border crossings

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/06/04/14270071.html

Oh... the humanity!!!

 

[rotterdam]

It may not be the most politically correct thing to say here but justice and trials are different in Peru. I believe he will face a trial presided over by three judges, there will be no jury. There will be no wiggle room for Sloot as in SODDI or reasonable doubt. There could barely be a better country for this person to be caught doing a crime nor a better place for him to serve time.

Peru's justice system, like most of Western Europe(UK excluded) and most of Latin America, is based on the Napoleonic code. So no jury trial. Just experienced judges. No bamboozling by defense attorneys.

 

[Beyond Belief]

I wonder how many cigaretts it will cost to hire a hitman within the jail? Maybe they will let him live until May 30, 2011.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Why would the US provide him with a pro bono atty.? They have nothing to do with a dutch criminal in Peru. And what US atty would offer themselves to help this guy? That just makes me sick to think about.

Any lawyer licenced and familiar to practice law, in Peru, would love to represent him! Are you kidding me? Joran's case is the ultimate challenge! Defense attorneys dream of a case like this!

The USA wouldn't provide but any US lawyer able to practice in Peru, is free to.

 

[legalmania]

Here is a little on how the justice system works in Peru.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_Courts_of_Justice_of_Peru[/ame]

 

[darnudes]

Why would the US provide him with a pro bono atty.? They have nothing to do with a dutch criminal in Peru. And what US atty would offer themselves to help this guy? That just makes me sick to think about.

I was thinking of Joseph Tacopina, not sure what their relationship is these days or if he would offer assistance or not. I'm sure everyone saw his tv appearance.

 

[legalmania]

They don't even have the death penalty?

Peru is one of nine countries in the world that does have the death penalty, but only for crimes 'committed in exceptional circumstances'. This means crimes that are committed in times of war or genocide or crimes under military law. Murder is considered an 'ordinary crime' and so if Joran Van Der Sloot is found guilty of killing Stephany Flores it is not likely that he will face the death penalty as part of his punishment.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/peru...-joran-van-der-sloot-be-executed-2624602.html

 

[febedallas]

Agreed and nicely said. I have had no luck narrowing the COD, though. I see equal reporting on a broken neck and equal reporting that she was stabbed to death.

I tried to follow the threads regarding whether or not GHB was involved but was unclear on that as well.

She was incredibly unlucky to cross paths with someone like him. On the surface, robbery looks like the motive to me among other things maybe bubbling beneath. I am heartbroken for her family-what a terrible nightmare.

did you happen to hear her brother on Nancy Grace last night say that in addition to all her other terrible injuries, she was missing an eye? she tried to get him to repeat it but he wouldn't.

 

[Betty P]

Santa Rosa, Peru (CNN) -- Dozens of jeering, angry Peruvians met murder suspect Joran van der Sloot Friday as Chilean authorities handed him over to their counterparts in Peru in the border town of Santa Rosa.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1

One can only guess what kind of reception he'll get on arrival in Lima. I'm sure it will be a very large reception committee there. Torches & pitchforks, anyone?

 

[epiphany]

I was thinking of Joseph Tacopina, not sure what their relationship is these days or if he would offer assistance or not. I'm sure everyone saw his tv appearance.

JoeT won't be representing VDS in this case (yesterday):

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/03/peru.murder.case/index.html

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

 

[suzihawk]

I was thinking of Joseph Tacopina, not sure what their relationship is these days or if he would offer assistance or not. I'm sure everyone saw his tv appearance.

Van der Sloot's former attorney, Joseph Tacopina, told CNN it was too early to reach any conclusions.

"I just think we need to take a step back before we get to the 'I told you so' stage, and let's see what the evidence is here," Tacopina said Thursday.

Tacopina said he is not representing van der Sloot and no longer has a good relationship with the family.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/04/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T1

jackass

 

[Cher352]

BBM

WHAT? They buried the victim before gathering evidence? I've been curious, and a little worried, about Peru's investigative and forensic procedures. Now I'm really worried. Unbelievable.

I thought that was strange too but then again it is not the US. Maybe they don't spend years before going to trial there while awaiting all the experts to analyze everything in site 14 different ways.

Or it could be that they have already decided he is guilty and so they don't need to bother.:dance:

 

[Betty P]

did you happen to hear her brother on Nancy Grace last night say that in addition to all her other terrible injuries, she was missing an eye? she tried to get him to repeat it but he wouldn't.

Yes, sadly. There have been several accounts mentioning she was severely beaten, not unrealistic give JVS large stature and the fact she was only about 5'2"" and 125 lbs.

An article linked a couple of pages back had an interview from the desk clerk who discovered her body. He described many wounds, a great deal of blood and wounds on her face, head, arms, hands, legs and feet. One gets the impression she was fighting him with everything she had, poor girl.

On edit: link to article posted a few pages back

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.rpp.com.pe/2010-06-03-recepcionista-cuenta-como-encontro-cadaver-de-stephany-flores-noticia_269820.html&ei=tHIJTI2zA4Odlgf21aGjDg&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBoQ7gEwAQ&prev=/search?q=hotel+tac+%2B+stephany+flores+%2B+abad+adely&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&rlz=1I7ADFA_en

 

[Cher352]

They don't even have the death penalty?

Peru is one of nine countries in the world that does have the death penalty, but only for crimes 'committed in exceptional circumstances'. This means crimes that are committed in times of war or genocide or crimes under military law. Murder is considered an 'ordinary crime' and so if Joran Van Der Sloot is found guilty of killing Stephany Flores it is not likely that he will face the death penalty as part of his punishment.

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/peru...-joran-van-der-sloot-be-executed-2624602.html

Someone was posting about that the other day and I think the max sentence for murder was only 30 or 35 years. But from what we have heard about the prisons there that will be a tough sentence to survive for a man who is use to being pampered in life.

 

[LNL]

Chile Travel Dangers: pants falling off at border crossings

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/06/04/14270071.html

Looks like he may have peed those pants also.