Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #5

[frenchvixen]

Excellent point on your speculation re: the differences between what the brother observed and the ME report. I hadn't thought of that and that's a logical explanation about the discrepancies.

Not so sure I agree about it being spontaneous, though. I can't ignore the extreme 'coincidence' that this occured on the exact day five years later that Natalee 'disappeared'. That's not to say I don't think rage didn't play a huge part.

This reminds me of the OJ "coincidence". He was convicted 13 years to the date that he was found not guilty on the Nicole Simpson charges. Payback is a bi___. OJ had to commit a second crime in order to be punished for the first. Same thing here for JVS. That's just how the universe operates.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Perhaps because of the language barrier he knows the Dutch will have to be involved anyway.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Try as I might, I cannot see anything in Stephany's hand. She seems to have on a fitted, long top and pants as far as I can tell. I also feel as some others do that she is also already drugged as she is walking into the hotel with Joran. Her movements are just not natural to me. Maybe she did have a drink and was drugged, then agreed to go to Joran's hotel room with him because she did not feel she could go home in that state. She may not have felt she could have even gone to a friend's home if she was woozy or tipsy.

The other thing I do not see that so many do is Joran looking straight at the security camera. I never see him look up as he comes out of the room. To me, the camera shows a downward angle. I get the impression that he looked down that hall hoping no one was seeing him leave with his bags.

It doesn't seem that Joran leaves his room key when he goes out of the lobby either.

You have to 'buy into' many poker tournaments. I think Joran was in need of more money maybe having already lost most all of what he had come with. He had to have a reason to take Stephany's jewelry and money. It takes money to be on the run.

I have been so angry with the media in most of these high profile cases because none of them seem to report the same thing or care very much about the facts. My sympathy is for the victim and the family - not the purpetrator. Anything that could possibly happen to Joran cannot possibly be as bad as what he has put his victims and their families through unless the same is done to him. I just wish the Death Penalty was alive and well in Peru.

JMO, MOO, and IMHO

 

[suzet]

I wonder if any former girlfriends or dates will come forward to talk about their experiences with Joran during the last five years?

We had hoped for that during the Holloway case, but nothing substantial ever came of it. I seem to remember a couple interviews with former "girlfriends" of his around 2005, but have no links to back that up. At the time this was going on, my impression was that no Aruban girl would have shown "disloyalty" by helping a case for an American girl. Either that, or no one wanted to admit they were raped and/or drugged by him. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't, but he seemed to target tourists for a good reason. He knew they'd be leaving and would most likely not persue anything once they were back home in their own country.

Who knows, maybe in the light of this new case, others might come forward and tell the truth if they know he is safely tucked away in Peru and can't hurt them.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

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A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

I noticed he did have a laptop with him and they were counting money (wonder how much he still had on him?)

Would really like to get a look at the "day planner" type thingy (light brown cover) that one guy picked up and riffled through. and the pictures - I tried stopping the video to get a better look - some looked like they were family pics and I saw one that seemed to be of his mom and dad.

Also, the very top of his head - I kinda think (don't ask me why, its just a gut feeling I have) that she scratched his head and that's where they are getting the scrapings under her nails.

Thankx for the video - good stuff.

 

[marmar]

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A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

Well if there were any sort of evidence they could have taken from anything in that backpack, it's probably compromised now that they let him go dig through the backpack and him and the other guy handling everything. Something could have had her fingerprints on it, adding further proof outside of the fact that she entered his room per the videotape, that he was in close contact with her, not that much more is needed than the video. But in murder cases, I'd say every little bit helps.

 

[LaLaw2000]

I am not sure if these new pics have been posted...Joran is sitting at a table with his belongings spread in front of him....
http://www.peru.com/noticias/fotos20100606/100723/Holandes-se-mostro-preocupado-tras-su-captura

Thank you so much for posting these pics! It appears to be a little red change purse among the items spread out there. It looks as if there is a necklace there also.

Wonder if the tan item is Stephany's day planner or wallet with her credit cards and so forth? Man, if it is, he is more that just screwed!

I honestly believe that Joran thought he really could get away with this!

JMO

 

[Cheewawa007]

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A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

Interesting indeed, Dreya! Thanks for posting it. Looks like he had a wad of cash in his possession, didn't it?!

 

[LaLaw2000]

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A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

Thanks for this video. When a person is taken into custody, their belongings have to be inventoried and the money counted in front of the person being arrested. I see the person counting his pics as well.

I wonder if that is Stephany's laptop?

 

[suzet]

Well if there were any sort of evidence they could have taken from anything in that backpack, it's probably compromised now that they let him go dig through the backpack and him and the other guy handling everything. Something could have had her fingerprints on it, adding further proof outside of the fact that she entered his room per the videotape, that he was in close contact with her, not that much more is needed than the video. But in murder cases, I'd say every little bit helps.

Ah, this worried me too. Where were the latex gloves when handling this stuff? All this is evidence. Mistakes like these are the types of things that made me nervous from the start. Also, blood spatter, if any, could be trapped in the zipper of the duffle bag, or really on anything he was carrying or on himself. Oh, please, I hope they will be more careful here.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Really, he was turning himself in without his luggage and without noting the location of his hotel so they could go back and get his belongings? Did he tell the cab driver to take him to the nearest police station? Haven't heard that. Joran will never admit to anything. He got away with Natalee. He got away with human trafficking. And he thinks he will get away with this. The Dutch have some nerve imho of objecting to his being paraded before the media, when by all reports that's how it works there, --looks like they want him to get special treatment. They had an opportunity to put him away years ago when he confessed on tape that Natalee could very well have been alive when he dumped her in the ocean. However, the Dutch forced Aruba to release him from detention (and pay him compensation for it no less) because he was stoned at the time he made the statements. Give me a break.

 

[suzihawk]

I noticed he did have a laptop with him and they were counting money (wonder how much he still had on him?)

Would really like to get a look at the "day planner" type thingy (light brown cover) that one guy picked up and riffled through. and the pictures - I tried stopping the video to get a better look - some looked like they were family pics and I saw one that seemed to be of his mom and dad.

Also, the very top of his head - I kinda think (don't ask me why, its just a gut feeling I have) that she scratched his head and that's where they are getting the scrapings under her nails.

Thankx for the video - good stuff.

I noticed something on the top of his head, too. He got clocked pretty hard when they were transferring him from one vehicle to another so I thought it may be from that.

I kept hoping they'd pull out a blood stained shirt.

 

[Dreya]

I noticed he did have a laptop with him and they were counting money (wonder how much he still had on him?)

Would really like to get a look at the "day planner" type thingy (light brown cover) that one guy picked up and riffled through. and the pictures - I tried stopping the video to get a better look - some looked like they were family pics and I saw one that seemed to be of his mom and dad.

Also, the very top of his head - I kinda think (don't ask me why, its just a gut feeling I have) that she scratched his head and that's where they are getting the scrapings under her nails.

Thankx for the video - good stuff.

BBM

I was hoping someone who speaks Spanish could tell us how much they counted! I'm thinking the cash could be a key item since robbery is one of the proposed motives.

I'm also pretty sure that one of the photos is his parents. To me, it's a little glimpse into Joran's mind set. He has admitted that he has a strained relationship with his family and I'm sure there is blame and guilt surrounding his father's death. The stress of the NH case couldn't have been good for his health and possibly contributed to the heart attack that killed him. I'm wondering if the guilt and blame was a contributing factor to his rage. Then again, sociopaths probably don't feel much guilt for their actions so who knows? MOO

 

[frenchvixen]

Well if there were any sort of evidence they could have taken from anything in that backpack, it's probably compromised now that they let him go dig through the backpack and him and the other guy handling everything. Something could have had her fingerprints on it, adding further proof outside of the fact that she entered his room per the videotape, that he was in close contact with her, not that much more is needed than the video. But in murder cases, I'd say every little bit helps.

I could not help but laugh as he was struggling to speak spanish. "Ahh.. quattro". I also could not help but have perverted thoughts when that woman put on her gloves. What I would love to do to that boy with those gloves on my hands. I can't help but hate him even though I believe that he should have a fair trial.

 

[LaLaw2000]

Really, he was turning himself in without his luggage and without noting the location of his hotel so they could go back and get his belongings? Did he tell the cab driver to take him to the nearest police station? Haven't heard that. Joran will never admit to anything. He got away with Natalee. He got away with human trafficking. And he thinks he will get away with this. The Dutch have some nerve imho of objecting to his being paraded before the media, when by all reports that's how it works there, --looks like they want him to get special treatment. They had an opportunity to put him away years ago when he confessed on tape that Natalee could very well have been alive when he dumped her in the ocean. However, the Dutch forced Aruba to release him from detention (and pay him compensation for it no less) because he was stoned at the time he made the statements. Give me a break.

Great post, SoCalSleuth! I like the way you think!

 

[scandi]

Apparently Joran is asking for his mother. His mother holds the KEY. In exchange for her support and money, Anita can insist that Joran tell EVERYTHING about what happened to Natalee and Stephany. EVERYTHING. Without money, he will not fare well in prison.

How true La_cavaliere, without paying 1,500 in Peruvian money he will not have a bed and will have to sleep on the floor or a toilet.

Yesterday we all read this excellent accounting by a Dutch reporter that went to the prison to see the Dutch inmates there. So much info was given about the true situation in a Peruvian prison. If someone knows where that link is tucked it would be a great one to have Bean insert into post #1 of this thread so it can easily be found by WS posters IMO. xox

 

[Beyond Belief]

If he got 25,000 during the extortion I would think he has plenty of money.

 

[MCDRAW]

"The Dutch Consulate has told Peruvian authorities that it is not comfortable with the way van der Sloot has been presented to the media, Neyra said. The Peruvian Minister of the Interior is asking authorities not to talk about the case without his authorization."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/06/05/peru.murder.case/index.html?hpt=T2

I will be honest and say that I wasn't comfortable with the way the Dutch (Aruba) media protrayed Natalee. I can't figure out what the Dutch see in Joran or what the family connections are but they insist that the world see Joran as a good boy when he has continually proved otherwise.

 

[marmar]

Ah, this worried me too. Where were the latex gloves when handling this stuff? All this is evidence. Mistakes like these are the types of things that made me nervous from the start. Also, blood spatter, if any, could be trapped in the zipper of the duffle bag, or really on anything he was carrying or on himself. Oh, please, I hope they will be more careful here.

Good point on the blood spatter!

 

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A good video that shows some of what he was carrying with him when they caught him (Or when he 'gave himself up' depending on who's story you believe)

Wow. It was painful to watch police handle that evidence so carelessly. No gloves, no holding things by the edges, no evidence bags. Nothing. Just rifling through things, getting their fingerprints and DNA all over it, and throwing it back in his backpack.

I guess they don't rely on forensics much down there.