Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #9

[Patty G]

Can someone explain to me how they can get such an exact TOD after two days of decomp? Or is the thought that there is something on the unseen coffee video that is giving the investigators that time of death?
My understanding of determining a TOD is that it can be given exactly...any thoughts?

IMO, they determined the TOD based on the timeline when Joran left for coffee with the white shirt on, when he returned with the coffee, and then left the room wearing a striped shirt, while leaving the white shirt in the room.

Perhaps this is why the video of the coffee trip hasn't been released.

 

[justus4all]

We are not seeing...all that the Police have...Perhaps later, they will release it...

 

[justus4all]

I have wondered..often..if Joran's mother...is afraid..of him...He has such an explosive temper...and is much bigger/forceful/strong...

She seems to always do his bidding...just my opinion...

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Please forgive me if I'm asking for information that has already been confirmed but I have not been able to keep up with these fast moving threads.

Have the tapes of Joran leaving his hotel to buy coffee been released to the public? I've not seen them. Do we know if Joran wore the white shirt or the striped polo shirt when he went out to get the coffee? tia

 

[suzihawk]

Thank goodness I wasn't hanging out here all by myself. It has bothered me from day one about the June 3rd arrest warrant and how it all happened and I wish I had seen your earlier post on June 3rd. No one was diving into the exortion part of this case and I always, always felt they were linked somehow that caused the death of Stephany and that is was not a coincidence.

What needs to be uncovered is any contact from the "sting" operation team to Joran between May 16th to May 30th.

Hopefully someone in the media will dig a lot deeper ...

Thanks so much for linking me to your post. :blowkiss:

You're welcome. From the moment I posted the link to the extortion attempt, I felt it was going to be an important factor in this case and stated such in my subsequent posts on the subject. I also said I felt that the reason for the presser where they tried to distance themselves from what was going on in Peru was to cover their butts.

Where you and I differ in opinion a bit is that I believe when JVDS contacted Beth (or her attorney or whoever), the information was turned over to the FBI and all decisions on how to proceed were made by them from that point on.

:blowkiss: back at 'cha.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

Thank goodness I wasn't hanging out here all by myself. It has bothered me from day one about the June 3rd arrest warrant and how it all happened and I wish I had seen your earlier post on June 3rd. No one was diving into the exortion part of this case and I always, always felt they were linked somehow that caused the death of Stephany and that is was not a coincidence.

What needs to be uncovered is any contact from the "sting" operation team to Joran between May 16th to May 30th.

Hopefully someone in the media will dig a lot deeper ...

Thanks so much for linking me to your post. :blowkiss:

Patty, I also asked a couple of times why the FBI couldn't pick him up as soon as the money was transferred or JVS was paid. The answer that it "wasn't enough sufficient evidence", didn't sit well with me. They couldn't arrest him on the day the money was transferred, but they could a few days/weeks later, after he was arrested for SF.

I'm not expert by any means, but something is up with the FBI and I would love to hear their side of this story. My gut tells me May 30th was his magic day to strike again in his sick mind, using the money from Beth to commit his crime, is even more horrendous, if that's even possible.

 

[Guardian_Angel]

Your welcome. From the moment I posted the link to the extortion attempt, I felt it was going to be an important factor in this case and stated such in my subsequent posts on the subject. I also said I felt that the reason for the presser where they tried to distance themselves from what was going on in Peru was to cover their butts.

Where you and I differ in opinion a bit is that I believe when JVDS contacted Beth (or her attorney or whoever), the information was turned over to the FBI and all decisions on how to proceed were made by them from that point on.

:blowkiss: back at 'cha.

With regards to the part that I bolded, I assumed that's the way it happened, what are the other theories?

 

[legalmania]

This was posted yesterday and we talked about it last night but I'll post it again since it's breaking news:On June 3, 2010, van der Sloot was charged in the U.S. District Court of Northern Alabama with wire fraud and extortion for the amount of US$250,000. Around March 29, 2010, he contacted a representative of Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, with an offer to reveal the location of her daughter's body and the circumstances surrounding her death for an advance of $25,000 against a total of $250,000.[23] Twitty notified the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the extortion plot.[1] The criminal complaint filed with the court alleged that the amount of $15,000 had been wired from Alabama to the Netherlands on May 10.[24] This followed a cash payment of $10,000 on the same day to van der Sloot that was videotaped by undercover investigators in Aruba.[25] Van der Sloot allegedly used the money to finance his trip to Lima, Peru.[1] Authorities determined that the information that he provided in return turned out to be false.[26]

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joran_van_der_Sloot[/ame]

 

[Woe.be.gone]

IMO, they determined the TOD based on the timeline when Joran left for coffee with the white shirt on, when he returned with the coffee, and then left the room wearing a striped shirt, while leaving the white shirt in the room.

Perhaps this is why the video of the coffee trip hasn't been released.

Patty G ~ I just saw this after posting on the same subject above.

I'm thinking that the Police might know that he had already cleaned up when he left the hotel to buy coffee. If so, it would discount his timeline of events regarding his confession.

If I see that he left for coffee wearing the white shirt, I may believe he killed Stephany after 8:00AM. Until then, my feeling is he killed her earlier.

 

[justbetweenus]

A thought came to me regarding the "computer, May 30th (5th anniversary) extortion/wire transfer case."

Could it be possible that Joran looked at an email, perhaps from Beth's attorney or whoever on the other end of the "sting" prior to meeting Stephany telling Joran "that no further money is coming your way until you give up what we want" and then Joran went on a hunt to find a woman to bring back to his room?

It was reported Joran was looking for women and "perhaps" Joran wanted to find someone and kill her as a way to get back at the people no longer giving him money. I am sure Joran was very well aware of the date and that is may be possible that it wasn't just a coincidence.

My mind is all over the place. :crazy:

ETA: The more I think about what I wrote it seems possible. The US Attorney didn't file for the arrest warrant for the extortion and wire fraud charges until June 3, 2010. It never made sense why it took so long to charge Joran, based on the information they provided and the info we now know.

It was stated that the US didn't have sufficient evidence to charge Joran, however we now know there really was enough evidence to charge Joran as the FBI has Joran on tape counting the $10,000.00.

Something clearly happened prior to May 30th that set Joran into a tail-spin knowing he wasn't getting anymore money.

I'm way way behind here, but your statement I bolded, I have wondered if it is true that Stephany was on his computer when he went to get coffee, if she possibly could have seen an email similar to this.

 

[marmar]

Yes, look on page 30 or 31 of the last thread. She is afraid the confession was coerced & thinks the officials have been "rude" to him. Makes me sick!!

I'll go back & see if I can copy the link.

BAER! Not to you, but to Anita. She also complained about how he was treated in Aruba during his first brief incarceration at an Aruban jail before being transported to the KIA.


"VAN SUSTEREN: How does he look? You saw him last night. How did he look to you?

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT: You know, we were so pleased that he was transported because we thought it would be a little more mild on him and he could rest a little more. At least, he has a bed now. And I could bring a cushion and clean sheets for him and some clothes because he couldn't shave during the last 10 days, hardly shower — he could shower, but also not enough water to brush his teeth, et cetera, et cetera. He couldn't — the only thing he could read was the Bible he got from a very nice police guy. He got a Bible to read.

And he was telling me, Mommy, look at me, I'm reading the Bible. Did you ever think about that? And I think it's great. It's difficult to read. So yesterday, I thought at least, you know, he can have some books. He can write things because I think that's very important for a 17-year-old boy to write down certain experiences, just to read it over again later and see if it helps him to come through a difficult time. But he cannot have access to anything."


More at link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

 

[Belinda]

I feel that Anita Van der Sloot's continuing to protest his innocence after his confession and the iron-clad evidence is very indicative of her possible involvement in Natalee's case. Had she said anything that indicated sorrow for the situation her son has caused, I would have had my doubts. Her continued enabling of him is a sad sight to see and is certainly part of why he is the way he is, IMO.

 

[PassTheMotrin]

I have wondered..often..if Joran's mother...is afraid..of him...He has such an explosive temper...and is much bigger/forceful/strong...

She seems to always do his bidding...just my opinion...

That is exactly what Tim Miller said on NG the other night; he said Joran wore the pants in his family and his parents were afraid of him, so they did everything for him. The world revolved around Joran.

 

[doobiedoo52]

I'm a little confused about the FBI being able to pick him up. I thought they couldn't do that and that extortion was not an extradictable offense. We later had a notice about interpol putting out a warrant. Wouldn't the FBI have had to request the warrant thru Interpol if they couldn't do it themselves? Is that the reason for the arrest holdup? I'm so confused!

 

[Patty G]

Your welcome. From the moment I posted the link to the extortion attempt, I felt it was going to be an important factor in this case and stated such in my subsequent posts on the subject. I also said I felt that the reason for the presser where they tried to distance themselves from what was going on in Peru was to cover their butts.

Where you and I differ in opinion a bit is that I believe when JVDS contacted Beth (or her attorney or whoever), the information was turned over to the FBI and all decisions on how to proceed were made by them from that point on.

:blowkiss: back at 'cha.

When the arrest warrant was brought to light, my initial thought was Joran contacted Beth. Then I flipped back when I heard it was a "sting".

Now I am back to Joran contacting Beth or whoever rather then the other way around. I was hoping Greta would state how it happened when she was asked the question and responded without answering that question.

I should always stick with my first thought.

Now we are on the same page.

 

[YellowDog]

I'm thinking Stephany Ramirez may have been asleep when Joran went to get the coffee and was still asleep when he returned. Maybe he started rummaging through her purse, she woke up and confronted him and he flew into a rage and killed her on the bed. Maybe she did not go into his computer at all.

 

[Steely Dan]

Link

FBI gave $25K to van der Sloot, official says
June 9, 2010 1:48 p.m. EDT

...It's unclear if that money funded van der Sloot's trip to Colombia and into Peru where authorities said he confessed this week to killing 21-year-old Stephany Flores.

Van der Sloot, a Dutch citizen, was twice arrested in connection with the 2005 disappearance of Holloway but was released for lack of evidence.

The information van der Sloot provided to the FBI was not true, according to an Interpol document obtained by CNN Wednesday.

This week Alabama authorities filed extortion and wire fraud charges against van der Sloot.

On or about March 29, van der Sloot contacted a representative of Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway, the Intepol document states...

They let him keep the money!!! :banghead:

 

[suzihawk]

Patty, I also asked a couple of times why the FBI couldn't pick him up as soon as the money was transferred or JVS was paid. The answer that it "wasn't enough sufficient evidence", didn't sit well with me. They couldn't arrest him on the day the money was transferred, but they could a few days/weeks later, after he was arrested for SF.

I'm not expert by any means, but something is up with the FBI and I would love to hear their side of this story. My gut tells me May 30th was his magic day to strike again in his sick mind, using the money from Beth to commit his crime, is even more horrendous, if that's even possible.

My understanding is that they didn't have jurisdiction to arrest him - that he would have to be in the US or extradicted to the US first. I feel the reason they held out was that they were hoping to get more on him - a more solid case. Of course, they had no way of knowing what was to be played out.

BUT, the Aruban authorities (oxymoron?) had the authority to detain him for 30 days once they knew he was about to leave and didn't. They just called the FBI to tell him he was gone (or going). By then... too late.

 

[21merc7]

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but, the Bubali Bird Sanctuary was on fire May 25.

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/17978-candela-na-bubali-plas.html

Isn't that where the search for Natalee was to be happening?

 

[suzihawk]

With regards to the part that I bolded, I assumed that's the way it happened, what are the other theories?

That it was Beth's decision to pay the extortion money? I think both the decision and the money came from the FBI.