Pit Bull and Other Dog Attacks.

[sissy's mom]

RIP Shadow- we are sorry it ended like that for you- is why we think this breed should be bred out-

O/T ... thanks narlacat...

 

[Seeker]

You know what the breed is SUPPOSED to look like having a well bred champion. 10 on that page look like dogs I've seen and labeled as a pit bull. 7, 13, 14, & 22 is what type dog I've seen. I've never seen one like the one that was identified as the American Pit Bull.
So now my question is are those really pit bulls doing all the attacking??? Is the wrong breed being blamed, or is the mixes of the pit bull that are wreaking havoc? I didn't know so many other breeds resemble "pit bulls" so closely.

Hi SadieMae! Love your hat. I actually had to look for several minutes before choosing one...
The only thing that looked like my Rosie was the color and the overall body type. My little girl's face was much softer, much less squared. It took me awhile to really look at each one that I thought might be a pit, until I saw the coloring and the way the haunches were on that particular one. So no, I don't know exactly what an American Pit Bull is supposed to look like. I made a decision based on the dog I had that got me started on them, but there were differences...
My girl was an American Staffordshire Terrier...not an American Pit Bull Terrier. Similar but not exactly the same breed although much of the Staff and Bull Terrier's blood is in the Pit Bull. Rosie was a gift and I only had her 10 months and she was my only show dog, ever, but I read everything I could on the breed. The person who gave her to me was really ticked off when instead of breeding her I had her fixed. lol! I never bred them, just raised them...a lot of them were abandoned when people were scared of the news reports that were going around at the time (mid-late 80s).

I totally think you are 100% right though. Too many other breeds that look similar are called "pit bull" by people who may not know what the breed actually is. A guy I knew swore up and down that the Presa Canarios are the same thing as the pit bull (remeber that woman who was killed in her hallway in SanFranscisco? Those dogs were 2 Presas that the owner couldn't control.)

Sissy's mom, I'm sorry to hear about your cat. My 18 year old cat was also killed by pit bulls, although not any of mine. A guy 2 blocks up from where I lived at the time was deliberately letting his dogs loose so they could run around. If I didn't have my own AST dogs (who the cat ruled over) at the time I probably would have felt the same way you do. Again, I'm sorry for you and especially for your cat.

 

[gardenmom]

My cousin knew people who worked for the SPCA in Oakland. She said in order to get pit bulls adopted they would advertise them as "Oakland Terriers." What do you think about that? Dangerous to say the least.

A few people have told me my mixed dog, Ruby looks part pit bull. I have had three vets tell me no. But with certainty, I can tell you that if I found out this was true I would still keep her. Here is Ruby, the big brown doggie. What do you think?

 

[Lurker]

I believe the dig was intended for me. I'm not a bully hater. I just don't care for the breed and frankly don't trust them. I did not intimidate or threaten the dog or the girl. When someone asks you not to come onto your property or bring their dog onto your property, it should be respected. I have owned many dogs over the years and never considered a bull dog of any kind. Best dogs we ever owned with kids were large collie females. They even challenged my authority over my boys in a gentle way. Herded neighborhood kids on the playground, wouldn't let them off the curb into the street, and were generally great child minders.

I had a girlfriend with two pit bulls. Mother and daughter, Annie and Peaches. They loved me, would sit in my lap when I was over. But, absolutely hated my ex. She had to put them away when he came with me.

Oh, I took your test. I'll admit it took me a few tries to get the pit bull right. Many breeds I knew right off. I did google a couple of breeds and found a site that had a form to surrender the Cane Corso, with all sorts of questions about biting people, etc. Also, IIRC, the Presa Canario was the breed that killed that woman in a San Francisco apartment hallway. Both are Molosser types of dogs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molosser

Interesting. It seems that Molosser types split in England and Bull Dogs were started there.

It wasn't intended as a dig towards you and I apoligize if it came across as such. And I completely agree that they should've respected your wishes and kept the dog off your property. Bully's are notorious for not liking other dogs. Mine has problems with that too but not to that extent. I would never even consider taking either of my dogs to someone else's house. There's no reason for it. Or any other dog for that matter.

That test also kind of cheats because the pit bull in the picture is a puppy. I think they should've had a full grown one and it would've come really close to some of the others listed.

 

[Lurker]

Hi SadieMae! Love your hat. I actually had to look for several minutes before choosing one...
The only thing that looked like my Rosie was the color and the overall body type. My little girl's face was much softer, much less squared. It took me awhile to really look at each one that I thought might be a pit, until I saw the coloring and the way the haunches were on that particular one. So no, I don't know exactly what an American Pit Bull is supposed to look like. I made a decision based on the dog I had that got me started on them, but there were differences...
My girl was an American Staffordshire Terrier...not an American Pit Bull Terrier. Similar but not exactly the same breed although much of the Staff and Bull Terrier's blood is in the Pit Bull. Rosie was a gift and I only had her 10 months and she was my only show dog, ever, but I read everything I could on the breed. The person who gave her to me was really ticked off when instead of breeding her I had her fixed. lol! I never bred them, just raised them...a lot of them were abandoned when people were scared of the news reports that were going around at the time (mid-late 80s).

I totally think you are 100% right though. Too many other breeds that look similar are called "pit bull" by people who may not know what the breed actually is. A guy I knew swore up and down that the Presa Canarios are the same thing as the pit bull (remeber that woman who was killed in her hallway in SanFranscisco? Those dogs were 2 Presas that the owner couldn't control.)

Sissy's mom, I'm sorry to hear about your cat. My 18 year old cat was also killed by pit bulls, although not any of mine. A guy 2 blocks up from where I lived at the time was deliberately letting his dogs loose so they could run around. If I didn't have my own AST dogs (who the cat ruled over) at the time I probably would have felt the same way you do. Again, I'm sorry for you and especially for your cat.

Seeker, I have an Americal Pit Bull. He's white with black spots and has the cutest black eye and hazel, almond shaped eyes. A friend of mine has a Staffy but she's a bit smaller in both height and build. My dog is very stocky and muscular but he's a big sissy. He's actually the only dog I've ever seen that has butt cheeks when he lays down. LOL
The Pit I had before was a Staffy, she was black with a white chest. When we moved into an apartment we had to list her on the rental application, I put down that she was an American Staffordshire Terrier. We had to have the maintenance guy come in to fix something and he took one look at her and screamed PIT BULL and slammed the door and ran. Meanwhile, she's sitting in the hallway, wagging her tail like crazy with her rope toy vainly hoping that he had come to play. LOL
He wouldn't come in until I put her away. I would've put her away before but he came 30 minutes early.

 

[Lurker]

My cousin knew people who worked for the SPCA in Oakland. She said in order to get pit bulls adopted they would advertise them as "Oakland Terriers." What do you think about that? Dangerous to say the least.

A few people have told me my mixed dog, Ruby looks part pit bull. I have had three vets tell me no. But with certainty, I can tell you that if I found out this was true I would still keep her. Here is Ruby, the big brown doggie. What do you think?

I don't think that's right. Do the people adopting them know what they are? I know a few animal shelters around me won't even try to adopt them out, no matter what their temperment is, they'll put them down, no questions asked. It's sad.

 

[Lurker]

Sissy's Mom, I'm so sorry to hear about Shadow. I hope the owners were held accountable. No dog should be allowed to run loose, pit bull or not. My dog doesn't like cats because he's never been around them. I'm severely allergic. He also absolutely HATES rabbits. They hid in the shrubs and taunt both of my dogs.

 

[SadieMae]

I don't think that's right. Do the people adopting them know what they are? I know a few animal shelters around me won't even try to adopt them out, no matter what their temperment is, they'll put them down, no questions asked. It's sad.

Many shelters will put them down immediately. Their reason being they cannot judge the temperament and don't want to be open to a lawsuit. In Detroit I read, anyone under 18 seen with pit bull will have it confiscated, and it will be put down.

 

[Lurker]

Many shelters will put them down immediately. Their reason being they cannot judge the temperament and don't want to be open to a lawsuit. In Detroit I read, anyone under 18 seen with pit bull will have it confiscated, and it will be put down.

Are they illegal in Detroit? A friend of mine volunteered at the Humane Society in Howard County MD. They are not illegal there but they will still euthanize them. She was working one day and a teenager came in with a Pit puppy. He got it without telling his parents and they made him get rid of it. My friend was in tears because she knew what would happen to it. She took it home without ever checking it in and found it a home with a Pit rescue group.

 

[SadieMae]

Far as I know they are not illegal in Detroit..just anyone under 18 cannot own one, or be seen with one. Where I live now...the city shelter willl adopt pits out. That's the majority breed of dogs available at the pound most times. That scares me!

 

[Lurker]

Far as I know they are not illegal in Detroit..just anyone under 18 cannot own one, or be seen with one. Where I live now...the city shelter willl adopt pits out. That's the majority breed of dogs available at the pound most times. That scares me!

That's odd, how can they determine that? And if they still live at home, it could be their parents dog. Are they just not allowed out in public? And how do they determine that the dog is actually a Pit? My SIL has a boxer that looks a great deal like a Pit.

I'm just wondering, I don't expect you to have the answers. :waitasec:

 

[catsmeow]

Far as I know they are not illegal in Detroit..just anyone under 18 cannot own one, or be seen with one. Where I live now...the city shelter willl adopt pits out. That's the majority breed of dogs available at the pound most times. That scares me!

The shelter that I volunteered at in Charleston would adopt them out but only after we evaluated them for a week or two and then only to certain families and you had to fill out the application and most people were turned down, and they DID reserve the right to turn you down for a Pit or Stafforshire Terrier or mix of the two. If they suspected you were lying, the lady in charge there, she was awesome, she'd flat out tell you to your face that she didn't think it was a good fit and 'no' you were not getting the dog. End of story. If they thought for a minute that the dog was going to end up being used for fighting, it was not getting adopted.

BTW, I really dig your pup with the black sock on! LOL! They are all gorgeous, but the one with the black sock makes me giggle.

 

[SadieMae]

That's odd, how can they determine that? And if they still live at home, it could be their parents dog. Are they just not allowed out in public? And how do they determine that the dog is actually a Pit? My SIL has a boxer that looks a great deal like a Pit.

I'm just wondering, I don't expect you to have the answers. :waitasec:

If the cops saw anyone walking a pit they perceived as under 18, they would get stopped for id. If they had none, the AC was called to take the dog. If the dog did belong to the parents, they had to bring all vet records for the dog to reclaim it. Most times you guessed, there were no records on the dog, and it was destroyed. No...they did not want the dogs on the street with anyone under 18. I'm supposing if it "looked" like a pit it was taken. The heavy chain on the neck, the cropped ears drew attention I'm sure.

 

[Lurker]

If the cops saw anyone walking a pit they perceived as under 18, they would get stopped for id. If they had none, the AC was called to take the dog. If the dog did belong to the parents, they had to bring all vet records for the dog to reclaim it. Most times you guessed, there were no records on the dog, and it was destroyed. No...they did not want the dogs on the street with anyone under 18. I'm supposing if it "looked" like a pit it was taken. The heavy chain on the neck, the cropped ears drew attention I'm sure.

That's sad. A Pit wearing a heavy chain and having cropped ears is a red flag that it's a fighting dog. Dog fighters will make them wear really heavy thick chains to strengthen their neck muscles. Mine wears a choker collar when he goes out because he pulls and it gives me more control. My Rottie is a gentle giant, my 4 year old takes him out on a leash. (I'm always there too but he walks really slow and keeps looking back to make sure my son is OK)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Absolutely, I believe they are dangerous. I don't trust them 100% in any situation...even if they were raised as the most demure and docile pets on the planet. I wouldn't have one around my children or grandchildren ever. They have maimed and killed children/adults in so many different circumstances. My family won't be put into that situation, if I can help it.

My 80+ yo mother walked out to get in her car last week and her new neighbor's two pits were roaming freely. Luckily, another neighbor happened to notice, rounded them up, and put them back into their owner's yard. He then called the owner to come home immediately. No harm was done, but without a person the dogs already knew...who knows what could have happened?! My mother could have had one of her dogs with her at the time and been in some serious danger.

Irresponsible dog owners make the ban for pits neccessary, IMO. You can't trust them 100% either!

 

[JBean]

Absolutely, I believe they are dangerous. I don't trust them 100% in any situation...even if they were raised as the most demure and docile pets on the planet. I wouldn't have one around my children or grandchildren ever. They have maimed and killed children/adults in so many different circumstances. My family won't be put into that situation, if I can help it.

My 80+ yo mother walked out to get in her car last week and her new neighbor's two pits were roaming freely. Luckily, another neighbor happened to notice, rounded them up, and put them back into their owner's yard. He then called the owner to come home immediately. No harm was done, but without a person the dogs already knew...who knows what could have happened?! My mother could have had one of her dogs with her at the time and been in some serious danger.

Irresponsible dog owners make the ban for pits neccessary, IMO. You can't trust them 100% either!

You can make this post about ANY breed.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No, I don't think you can. Last time I checked a Yorkie had never eaten anyone alive. Hmmm...I believe looking at the various cases across the nation...you won't find a single incident of it. : )

 

[JBean]

No, I don't think you can. Last time I checked a Yorkie had never eaten anyone alive. Hmmm...I believe looking at the various cases across the nation...you won't find a single incident of it. : )

Eaten alive? Didn't see that in your original post.
However, I do agree that being killed by any breed is not a reasonable statement and I stand corrected. To clarify my point, I think one can document attacks/bites aggressive behavior by most breeds.


ETA:
The Temperament Of The Yorkshire Terrier

So we know how Yorkies look, but what about their personalities? Well like any breed of Terrier, they can be a little aggressive at times and often antisocial when it comes to conversing with other dogs. Although personalities differ from dog to dog, most Yorkshire Terrier puppies will tend to have some form of aggression in their nature. In fact it’s not strange to see a Yorkie attack a dog that’s much larger than itself!
There are of course ways to lower the aggression level in your Yorkshire Terrier and one of these ways is to interact it with other dogs from an early age. This will give it an opportunity to grow and be shaped by its environment instead of allowing the dogs genetics to take over. More than likely the most aggressive Yorkshire Terriers are the ones that have been kept isolated from contact with any other dogs for most of its life.
EVEN WORSE:​

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmb6Seu3RHM​

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I realize how many "stats" are out there on the internet...I would have to say I don't find the multitude of those accurate either for or against pit bulls, IMO.

However, this story quotes the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and would consider them a good source for this type of statistic.



Pit bulls at top of fatal attacks

20-year study finds kids under 14 suffer 42% of bite injuries -- 3 of 4 involve family pet



http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/06/23/MNGRODDH561.DTL

Here is a study from 1979-1998 from the CDC (I am not certain this is the same study as quoted above):
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Eaten alive? Didn't see that in your original post.
However, I do agree that being killed by any breed is not a reasonable statement and I stand corrected. To clarify my point, I think one can document attacks/bites aggressive behavior by most breeds.

I agree there are many breeds involved in attacks/bites/aggressive behaviors. How many of those breeds will take the attack further to maime/kill their victim? This is what we need to concentrate on.