Pit Bull Ban Starts Today In Garfield Heights, OH

[SadieMae]

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Great danes......what are they doing on that list?

OMG!! Danes...well, yes they can be danger. They can easily knock you down and drown you in slobber!! LOL!!

Yes SusieQ, I remember the Dobies of the '70's, then it was the Rotties I've been to that site, and feel it's VERY misleading. For any results they are trying to achieve, there NEEDS to be a control group by BREED. These dogs are being compared to other dogs, of various breeds, but with no breeding history. IF, these dogs tested were tested against a dog that shows ALL the qualities of the BREED STANDARD, then it would be more credible. What they're doing is saying this is the best Delicious apple in this basket without comparing it to what the perfect Delicious apple looks, tastes like. And then compare the Delicious apple to a Granny Smith to say which is the better apple. They are taking random dogs, a small sampling of the breeds to come up with their "results" of pass or fail. If you read further, a dog that will flee fails the aggression test. Also they are comparing all breeds as a whole. Certain breeds have qualities & temperament inherent to the breed. A Dane that is up to breed standard is nothing like a Chiuahua that is up to breed standard in temperament. A GSD & Poodle cannot be compared to each other either for temperament/behavior. Breeds can't be compared to each other to say one dog is better than the other with their testing method. Certain breeds ARE more aggressive/protective than others because of what they were originally bred for. For instance, It's ridiculous to say of 25 Labs "they" tested, which are GREAT even tempered dogs, rank lower than another breed.

 

[Indy Gal]

Totally unfounded arguement.:hand: No other breed has exhibited the same rate of maiming and killing as pit bulls (whether they were full pits or partial). You don't see drug dealers using Golden Retrievers (which can bite) as their canine weapon of choice. Noone is suggesting banning any other breed, and to tell you the truth, Presa Canarios should be next in line right up there with Rotties. But NOONE is thinking even remotely about banning Huskies or Akitas.:doh:

Maybe where you live, but not here. I am sorry you think my thinking is wrong. Anymore from me on this and I will get a time out so I will just stop there, Thanks!

ETA why do I even come to these threads...LOL

 

[Indy Gal]

Beyond the main ban on PitBulls, I believe this list Dangerous Dog list includes...German Shepherds, Mastiffs, Chows, Huskies/Malamutes, Akitas, Doberman Pinschers, Great Danes, and Rottweilers.
How long do you think it'll be before these wonderful dogs are banned, too!

http://www.mousetrax.com/ChicagoDogBan.html

MY POINT EXACTLY!!!!!! THANKS!!!:blowkiss: I pay a lot of money to have my boys, and they would NEVER hurt anyone. Now without my obsessive training, they could no doubt!

 

[Indy Gal]

One of the problems with dog bans is the idiots that want mean dogs will just go out and get another breed and raise it to be mean.

Which would cause them to be banned as well. At the end we would be left with little dogs everywhere. I LOVE big dogs!!! Please even if you hate PBs, please understand that what I am saying is truth. I wouldnt just go running off at the mouth on this if I didnt know for sure!!

Suzie, IIRC you are against PBs right? But even you know this ban is bad, right?

 

[Indy Gal]

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Great danes......what are they doing on that list?

Dont you know ALL big dogs are bad dogs??(hopefully you caught my sarcassim on that one Dingo) BTW...:blowkiss:

 

[Lurker]

What is a grandfather clause Lurker..TIA.......making people get rid of their dogs this way is cruel and unusual....here the breed died out with the introduction of compulsary neutering of existing Pitties......Sharpeis are becomming the new pittbull here.

A Grandfather clause is when something is forbidden after the fact but the people that already have it before the ban are allowed to keep it. For example we lived in a planned community and they decided to ban commercial vehicles, since we lived there before the ban, my husbands work truck wasn't part of it since it was there before the ban.

 

[SuziQ]

Which would cause them to be banned as well. At the end we would be left with little dogs everywhere. I LOVE big dogs!!! Please even if you hate PBs, please understand that what I am saying is truth. I wouldnt just go running off at the mouth on this if I didnt know for sure!!

Suzie, IIRC you are against PBs right? But even you know this ban is bad, right?

Hmmmm, I'm going to assume by yours and Sadie's comments you both assume I am for dog bans? No way! The links I posted are against dog bans and make very good arguments as to why they don't work. I posted the breed test list not to prove Labs are as bad as pitbulls, but to prove pitbulls are as non-dangerous as labs.

True, I am not a fan of Pits. I feel in the overall scheme of things that they aren't any more prone to be agressive or bite than any other breed. But when they do bite, they cause more physical harm than most other dogs. That's my personal opinion of them anyways.

Dog bans do not work and I believe Denver rescinded their bans recently because of that?

 

[Indy Gal]

Susiq most of the time I quote you and then get off track...LOL I know you are NOT for the ban. Sorry for the confusion. But it is nice to see even people who dont like PBs are not for this ban. That is what I was trying to say. You should know by now, I can be confusing in my posts..>LOL

 

[JBean]

Interesting read:

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/dogbite.pdf

this is a good website in general for those who are looking for dog bite info:

www.dogbitelaw.com

 

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Jelly!! I guess i forgot to add about the pact mentality, thanks for reminding me.

 

[Lurker]

My hubby and I have a sweetheart of a Pit and a gentle giant Rottie. The neighbors across the street are a different story. They have 4 pitbulls in their basement, they looked mixed to me but I've only seen 2 of them up close since they were running loose and jumped in my car. Anywho, they all stay in the basement with the kid (20's) that lives down there. This past Saturday we heard screaming in the road in front of our house so hubby ran out and the kid had his dogs loose AGAIN and they went after a Yorkie that was also loose but walking with it's owners. Hubby immediately grabbed the Pit that had the Yorkie and twisted it's choker until it couldn't breathe and it dropped the dog. The other Pit was just watching and ran when I yelled at it. The "kid" came outside and my hubby dragged his dog to him and told him to get his F-ing dog in the house. The kid puffed all up and told my husband (his words not mine) "You don't want to step up to me you honky @ss Mother-f-er"

THAT'S the difference! Sadly to say the Yorkie didn't make it and the kid hightailed it out of there with the dogs. Animal control came Saturday, Sunday and Monday and the dogs were finally back on Monday. They said they "observed" the dog in the basement and they weren't aggressive towards humans so they are currently under a 10 day quarantine.

Now I'm all for responsible owners having pits but this kid should lose his dogs. Animal control basically said that it's a dog nature to hunt but I don't buy that. Neither of my dogs would've done that, nor would they have EVER had the chance since they're always under control.

Now here's the saddest part of the story. The Yorkie was owned by a small Asian couple. I got her a towel to wrap her baby in and gave her directions and the phone number of the emergency vet. I knew the dog wouldn't make it but I still prayed. She came to my house the next day with a brand new towel. As soon as I saw that I burst into tears. I told her point blank to go after the owners of the house for at least the cost of her dog and to file a complaint with their homeowners insurance.
I dont want to see the dogs put down for something the owner created but I don't want them across the street from me either, kid included.

I waited all night to have my windows shot out in a drive by but luckily nothing happened. That kid is a disgusting piece of crap and his parents should be ashamed for what they let go on over there.

 

[SuziQ]

Lurker, I wish the laws would recognize that there isn't much of a leap between attacking another animal and attacking a child. Most current laws treat the two seperately and they should be treated the same, IMO.

 

[Indy Gal]

Lurker i am so sorry you had to go through this. Why in the hell does this person get to keep his 4 pbs?? Problem one, 4 pbs together in one house. Problem 2 the dumbass boy. It is people like this who are giving the bred as a whole a bad name.

ETA I am a firm believer when a dog attacks a person, it should be attempted murder w/ a deadly weapon. Why are the laws not differant?

 

[Lurker]

We called the cops because of the way the kid was acting, I strongly think he deals out of his basement.
Apparently someone else had already called to report a Pit attacking my hubby so we got 9 police cars, an ambulance and a firetruck. The cops got there and said "Oh, it's just a dog" and I said "For one thing, it's NOT just a dog to the owner and for another there's a LEASH LAW here!"
My hubby told the cop how the kid had threatened him and the cop said that he usually doesn't take complaints from someone who had been drinking. :furious:

Um, excuse me? We were in OUR house watching the MD game having a couple beers, minding our OWN business when this happened and that's the response we get from the police? Well I can't say that, it was really one ignorant office. There was another cop there that told me the kid already has drug and weapons charges against him and will go to court at the end of the month. My friend said he saw the kid run back into the basement and come back out with his hand in his waistband. The father was out there by then and told the kid he didn't want to do that and to take the dogs and go. WTF? I can't be sure exactly what he had in his pants but I've got a good idea. You mean to tell me this was going to bring a gun into a street full of people because HIS dog killed someone elses dog and my husband asked for his help? CRAZY!

 

[Indy Gal]

Lurker, I would make a complaint on that officer!!

 

[Lurker]

Lurker, I would make a complaint on that officer!!

I complained to one of the other cops, the nice one. He said that he was a rookie and doesn't know how to handle things yet. Whatever!

The owner of the Yorkie came by yesterday asking us to fill out a complaint form for animal control. Does anyone know if the owners of the Pit will get a copy of that with our names on it? I've been trying to call AC to find out but only get a recording.

 

[gooniequeen]

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Great danes......what are they doing on that list?

ha ha that's what I was thinking. My 4'11" grandmother had several great danes while I was growing up and the only damage they ever did was tripped my grandmother with their leash and broke her hip.

I also remember literally riding these dogs like they were ponies.

 

[Indy Gal]

I do believe they will, but dont know for sure. PLEASE be careful!! If it goes to court, you would also be a witness, i think.

 

[Lurker]

I do believe they will, but dont know for sure. PLEASE be careful!! If it goes to court, you would also be a witness, i think.

I don't think animal control will do anything else regardless of my complaint form. I'm assuming they're marking this down as the first offense. I told my husband that I didn't want them to have our names and he said he doesn't care, we're just stating what we saw and nothing else so it's not a big deal.
I told him I want a fence ASAP because I wouldn't put it past these people to try to blame my dogs for something theirs did. They have 2 black pits, a brendle pit and a white puppy. Mine is white with black spots and a black eye, he's also twice the size of their dogs. He looks like he has a saddle on too. They probably couldn't pass one of theirs off as him but they could try to say it was my rottie and not their pits though the size still comes into play. The neighbors know better though so I have that going for us. They're dogs are pretty scrawny looking and don't look well cared for, my boys are fat and happy.

 

[Indy Gal]

Yes get a yard and watch your babies very closly. I know you do now, but who knows what these people might try.

ETA By your dessciptions of their dogs is there a possibility they are involed in dog fighting? Not always the case with scrawny dogs, but by the sound of these people I wouldnt put it past them.