GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[otto]

Is this death penalty debate about revenge for murder in general, or about what is best for the families of the victims?

There are 8 natural parents and several siblings who lost someone due to Kohberger. What is best for them? What promotes healing and allows them to retain good memories of their deceased family member? What decision allows them to put this behind them, to heal, and to go on with their lives?

That's all that matters. I don't think any of the victim's siblings will feel happy if Kohberger is murdered in prison. There may come a day when they want to ask him questions about that night. It's possible.

 

[acutename]

A horrible thought crossed my mind. I don't know if my facts are correct or I don't think I have seen it discussed. I believe that Xana heard probably the dog barking and/or or maybe KG upstairs saying something and she walked up the stairs. Sounds more like she was third. She encountered him and I think tried to run back to her room. I don't know if it was the sudden horror of it that left her literally speechless, but the thought occurred to me.

Do you think that, since she was the only one who was awake apparently and knew what was going on or had some idea, do you think that she decided not to scream because that would just result in the others also getting hurt? In other words, did she stay quiet and not start screaming her head off because she didn't want Ethan to be attacked, or the other two girls? They were drunk, tired, and had nothing to fight back like a bat, or ability to grab a knife from thr kitchen, etc. If this couldn't be any more heartbreaking, was she worried about something happening to the others so she was hoping he would leave after because Ethan was sleeping and the other girls had their door closed?

A Selfless act making this even more heartbreaking. Thoughts?

If she was aware of what was really happening, she would have locked her and Ethan's door and called 911 IMO. They were all a bit drunk and naive- not expecting a killer in the house. IMO.

 

[wildblue]

This was the purpose of the series of carefully crafted questions that Judge Hippler posed to BK. Had BK said he was coerced or had changed his mind or didn't understand, then no judge could accept it. In this case, BK had nearly 3 years of advice from a highly accomplished and committed death-qualified defense attorney, who sat beside him and had signed the plea deal herself. He didn't plead NOLO. He pleaded guilty to each count.


The prosecutor was seeking the death penalty. The defense asked for a plea deal, so let's not hang any of this on the "personal beliefs of a prosecutor" or "the price of a trial" or anything other than BK didn't want to go to trial.

The prosecutor didn’t have to accept the defense’s offer. He made a command decision, hastily, over the objections of at least half the families involved. Saying that it was in the families’ best interests is self serving because that was expressly against 2 of the 4 dead kids’ families wishes. It is presumptive to say you, that is the prosecutor or anyone else for that matter, knows best.

 

[Vaderman]

But what he’s doing now is calling for a political uprising against the judge, and a violent uprising in prison against Bryan.

I think SG is giving BK exactly what he craves: living rent free in his head. The more SG rages, the happier BK is JMO

 

[wildblue]

100%. If I had to guess, I bet his own family doesn't agree with his recent actions.

I bet they do and he and his family’s outrage are shared by a large portion of the population.

 

[LAborn]

The prosecutor didn’t have to accept the defense’s offer. He made a command decision, hastily, over the objections of at least half the families involved. Saying that it was in the families’ best interests is self serving because that was expressly against 2 of the 4 dead kids’ families wishes. It is presumptive to say you, that is the prosecutor or anyone else for that matter, knows best.

So in your estimation "the best interest of the families" is to risk BK getting off?

 

[LAborn]

I think SG is giving BK exactly what he craves: living rent free in his head. The more SG rages, the happier BK is JMO

Frankly, I don't think BK is even thinking about SG. Pretty sure he's neurodivergent and his focus is what it is, and not the usual.

 

[seasideForest]

I'm trying to wrap my head around his saying BK's sentence is daycare for criminals or something like that.

Jumping off this, when I read it at the time, I thought - Would any of us adults actually like to go back to daycare?? Would SG?? In daycare, whether for children or for various types of people with long-term ill health, you either never have, don't have yet, or lose, a lot of freedom including deciding things for yourself. Being provided with everything and/or just the basics is not what more or less functioning adults want in the long-term, especially when all sorts of basic freedoms are taken from them, JMO MOO. No more spontaneous trips star-gazing (!) but not even the freedom to decide what you want to cook for yourself on a particular day or what time you want to go outside for a breath of fresh air or or or.

It is also IME (in my experience) having being helped recently by friends after I broke a foot and couldn't go back to my own apartment for a number of weeks. Yes, I got provided with a lot but friends aren't perfect especially in stressful situations and some of my decision-making powers were taken from me in a "we mean well" kind of way. It did not feel good, in fact quite frustrating and somehow a little demeaning. Imagine being in a situation like that, except far, far worse obviously, for decades and knowing it will only end with your death. There are definite disadvantages to being 'looked after' and provided with everything, not just carefree fun and games like in play school, kindergarten, daycare.

MOO

 

[Jw192]

I bet they do and he and his family’s outrage are shared by a large portion of the population.

Respectfully I think you mean a large portion of the Goncalves Family Facebook group. Going from posts on here for example where I like to think members are seasoned in crime and justice, the overall agreement is that justice has been sufficiently served with guilty LWOP no possibility of appeal.

Imo

 

[acutename]

I've done Ancestry and 23andMe, both of those claim that a person can keep their data confidential but I'm not sure.

Incidentally, 23andMe has now folded and is defunct. They sent a message asking if I want to log on and delete all records they hold which to me would seem a wise move as where would all that data potentially end up if there's no company containing it or administering it?

bought out by one of its founders BTW:

Judge OKs sale of 23andMe to a nonprofit led by its founder​

NPR
https://www.npr.org › 23andme-sale-approved-dna-data




4 days ago — A bankruptcy judge has approved the sale of the insolvent genetics firm 23andMe to a nonprofit run by one of the company's co-founders.

 

[browneyes]

Except they haven't insured that. People die when inmates escape. (See my link above for just one case).

The justice system in Idaho included the DP as a possibility. That would be a death for a death. But with the plea, that was taken off the table, so justice ("being what is merited") is now not possible.

I'm just trying to make clear that for people who believe it in their heart and soul, death for a death is just and anything else is not. It doesn't mean everyone has to agree, but they are entitled to their belief. For at least the ones I know, death for a death is "punished enough". If someone can kill without any fear of losing their own life, prison is not such a deterrent to that kind of person.

BTW, I am more flexible on this, but I respect others beliefs about it. It's a topic of discussion amongst my friends.

He’s going to die in prison.

 

[wildblue]

So in your estimation "the best interest of the families" is to risk BK getting off?

The family members wanted this to go to trial, all of the evidence come out and to obtain a conviction and the death penalty. They’ve expressly stated that wish and any risk that entailed. I 100% back what these families want as they have lost what matters most in their lives, their loved ones.

 

[MassGuy]

The family members wanted this to go to trial, all of the evidence come out and to obtain a conviction and the death penalty. They’ve expressly stated that wish and any risk that entailed. I 100% back what these families want as they have lost what matters most in their lives, their loved ones.

Two families would have been unhappy with that. What about them?

 

[wendy44]

Devil’s advocate…what if a future Supreme Court rules that such a plea is unconstitutional? Things were changed in regard to intellectual disability and the death penalty and minors and the death penalty.

If a future Supreme Court ruled anything about this case was unconstitutional it would be a good thing they hadn't put him to death already.
JMO

 

[Jw192]

The family members wanted this to go to trial, all of the evidence come out and to obtain a conviction and the death penalty. They’ve expressly stated that wish and any risk that entailed. I 100% back what these families want as they have lost what matters most in their lives, their loved ones.

All of the family members? Or are you meaning the Goncalves and Xana's father?

Please don't forget that the Chapins, the Mogens and the two surviving housemates are also victims of the same horrific crime and their pain and feelings matter also.

Imo

 

[LAborn]

The family members wanted this to go to trial, all of the evidence come out and to obtain a conviction and the death penalty. They’ve expressly stated that wish and any risk that entailed. I 100% back what these families want as they have lost what matters most in their lives, their loved ones.

I guarantee there's not a single person here who doesn't support the victims' families. That said, Maddy's family gave a press conference to state their gratitude with the recent development.

 

[Missyrocks5]

If she was aware of what was really happening, she would have locked her and Ethan's door and called 911 IMO. They were all a bit drunk and naive- not expecting a killer in the house. IMO.

I mean after she started being attacked. She had defensive wounds from fighting for her life.

 

[Ghostwheel]

He’s going to die in prison.

As long as he doesn't escape, or no Habeas Corpus Petition is filed ( and I can't see how that could happen) we can hope.

 

[wendy44]

It appears that the majority of parents wanted the deal--Ethan's, Maddie's and Xana's mom. Kaylee's parents and Xana's dad were against. So 5-3.

The surviving roommates are also victims of the burglary and should have been consulted so we don't know where they fell.

Regardless, there were appeals issues of concern you don't normally have. I'm glad we don't have to worry about it being overturned.
JMO

 

[303gmf]

Maybe, maybe not. The state of New York, for example, has proposed something called Elder Parole which could mean criminals over the age of 55 could be released, including those with LWOP. It isn’t far fetched to think a state or at the federal level, laws could be changed and this murderer, one day, might walk free.

Idaho and New York could NOT be more different