GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #111

[LinasK]

I thought it quite an odd thing. He was pleading guilty. What did it matter? I'm guilty, but I don't have bushy eyebrows?

I'm guessing that he shaved them prior to the change of plea, expecting to go to trial, although a trial date wasn't any time soon...

 

[Boxer]

That is why I think he will never talk.
This is his secret.
The secret of a twisted mind.
Trying to cajole him into "bosom to bosom" talk about motive is laughable IMO.

He confessed to avoid DP, (IMO)
but only saying YES x 5.
Nothing more.

It is just MY Opinion!!!

PS
It also might be that as long as his parents live, he will be silent.

I think this is probably right.
Also if he got sentenced to death his mother would become a full time activist on his behalf. This way its all finished.
Just to compare, Richard Allen's first appeal is now getting underway.

 

[LinasK]

You seem to be 100% positive his trial appearance would be irrelevant.
However, The Judge stated D.M.’s testimony about his eyebrows is highly relevant.

his “bushy eyebrows” were the important and relevant subject of several Motions and Orders.
I was asking because his eyebrows are the positive identifying evidence of Kohberger being the person seen creeping around the murder house, on the night of the crime, therefore identifying him as the murderer.

Usually, once something is identified as evidence , it cannot be tampered with, gotten rid of , or altered. Kohberger altered that eyebrow identification evidence. It changed his appearance. If the actual evidence can be physically submitted, it is always better than a photograph. He has had those eyebrows his whole life. I feel it is safe to say, this was the first time in his whole life, he drastically just about shaved off his eyebrows. He did it on purpose, to change his look. And they are important evidence , the actual subject of several written Motions and Orders.
I understand photographs can be used as evidence.

Quoting:

“In a series of orders announced Friday on motions from both sides in the murder case against Idaho student stabbings suspect Bryan Kohberger, the judge said there was no basis to grant a defense request that the lone eyewitness be blocked from mentioning the "bushy eyebrows" she saw on a masked intruder during the murders.

"D.M.'s testimony about ‘bushy eyebrows’ is highly relevant in this case," Judge Steven Hippler wrote in his order, using the witness's initials. "D.M. is the only eyewitness to the intruder responsible for the homicides. It is the jury's task to determine whether Defendant is that person."

MOO

But it doesn't matter since he took his own selfie immediately after the crime, and since he pled, it's a moot point now. The selfie would prove the bushy eyebrows no matter what he looked like in court. Scott Peterson had dyed his hair orange and grown a goatee when he was arrested. At trial he was back to his natural brunette hair color and clean shaven. He was still convicted. I was also almost on jury duty for a gang member murder where they dressed him up in a lavender sweater and brought him into the courtroom to see his prospective jurors. I was excused from the case, but thought to myself, he looks like a gang member in a sweater. Turns out that I was right, they convicted him without me.

 

[Cool Cats]

MSN​

Bryan Kohberger admitted to 4 Idaho murders. Why did prosecutors offer a plea deal?​

Legal experts told the Idaho Statesman the prosecution had myriad motivations for agreeing to extend a deal, from sparing surviving victims and families the strain of a trial, to mitigating the cost of an already expensive case. For the defense, the benefits were more obvious: Their client avoids the possibility of being put to death if convicted by a jury. A death sentence would have opened a new realm of potential concerns over appeals and court costs.

Read article for more possible reasons and family input.

 

[Cool Cats]

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[katydid23]

So, I have a question. Why would the door dash driver park on the side road instead of pulling into the parking area by the front door of the building? Did Xana ask for her delivery to be made to the back sliding door, instead of the front door. It would certainly be easier for Xana to just get the food at the back door and not wake up the whole house by someone ringing the front door bell and that is the only reason I can figure out for why the DD driver would not have parked in front of the house.

We know BK parked on the street so he could easily go down to the back door. If BK was actually parked by the DD driver as she claims, that's the only reason I figure out. Thoughts?

I think the DDD pulled in to the front driveway. And then she saw BK sitting in his car, very nearby. And the DD Driver was a female ,alone, at 4 am so she stayed in her car ---and BK got nervous and drove away, circled around, and then parked on the side hill instead. IMO

 

[katydid23]

Buy container, I think it could have been a black bucket with a handle to make it easy to carry. Or, could the contain have been a "kill kit" with the knife, duct tape, and anything else he may need.

Or maybe forensics evidence knife tube containers? Something he brought with him to keep the bloody knife from making a mess on his exit.

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[PunishThenForgive]

Victim Impact Statements. Kaylee's Fam?

From ID. criminal code 19-5306. Rights of victim
"(3) The provisions of this section shall apply equally to the immediate families of homicide victims... The court may designate a representative from the immediate family to exercise these rights on behalf of a deceased... victim." sbm bbm

Do we know if Judge H. designated a representative of Kaylee's family?
If so, I've missed it.
If the court did designate a rep, could the order be in one of the many sealed documents?

From link, seems atty Shanon Gray was not aware or maybe just glossed over that point.
imo

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"(1) Each victim of a criminal ... offense shall be:
"(e) Heard, upon request, at all criminal justice proceedings considering a plea of guilty, sentencing,... unless manifest injustice would result;"
https://codes.findlaw.com/id/title-19-criminal-procedure/id-st-sect-19-5306/

@PunishThenForgive TYVM for posting link to Court TV’s Vinnie Politan w. Goncalves attorney Shanon Gray about the (possible) victim impact statements from Kaylee's fam. And for timestamps 7:56 to 8:56 relevant to VicImpStmts.

@al66pine, here’s the full paragraph of the law you quoted:

(3) The provisions of this section shall apply equally to the immediate families of homicide victims or immediate families of victims of such youthful age or incapacity as precludes them from exercising these rights personally. The court may designate a representative from the immediate family to exercise these rights on behalf of a deceased, incapacitated, or minor victim.

From Idaho Code Section 19-5306(3)

I think this means that if no member of the homicide victim’s immediate family submits a victim impact statement, the court can appoint a representative of the family to do so.

Supporting this interpretation is that this same law is referenced in the Idaho Manual on the Rights of Victims of Crime in its answer to Question No. 5: Who are considered victims in a homicide?



Since the answer is the immediate family of the actual victim in homicide cases, Kaylee’s parents and siblings are victims. Therefore, they should be able to submit victim impact statements and speak in court at the sentencing hearing:




IANAL, so IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

To be truthful
I also noticed this (IMO) peculiar writing earlier.
It seems childish/clumsy in style to me.
And I say this as a teacher

I even wondered what a graphologist would say about it.
You know,
research of the nature of the writer's personality.

There was a different signature shown in MSM earlier, with ornamental "C".
It really surprised me.

JMO

That signature with the ornamental C was also discussed on the last Vinne Politan show because Vinnie was commenting on how different the two signatures were, even though BK had signed them one day apart. ( The frilly C was on the plea agreement 30 June and the normal C was on 1st July plea sheets. He's attempting classical serif style imo - which is rather ' grand'. - but gets it wrong. )
I also thought the stylistic inconsistency was unusual, but more typical in a child who's still not decided on their sig style

 

[PunishThenForgive]

MSN​

Bryan Kohberger admitted to 4 Idaho murders. Why did prosecutors offer a plea deal?​

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Legal experts told the Idaho Statesman the prosecution had myriad motivations for agreeing to extend a deal, from sparing surviving victims and families the strain of a trial, to mitigating the cost of an already expensive case. For the defense, the benefits were more obvious: Their client avoids the possibility of being put to death if convicted by a jury. A death sentence would have opened a new realm of potential concerns over appeals and court costs.

Read article for more possible reasons and family input.

Thanks for sharing, @Cool Cats!

I found these two paragraphs interesting:

Gross also said the deal came at a normal juncture for a criminal case. All pretrial motions had been exhausted, and the majority of the available facts were on the table for both sides.

"To plea much sooner, to plea before you have all the information and before you have all your major rulings from a court is deeply problematic in a case like this," Gross said.

BBM

It’s also very expensive.

I guess the only thing that could have sped up the process and saved Idaho $3.6 million is if BK had done the right thing and confessed straight away.

IMO

Source: Bryan Kohberger admitted to 4 Idaho murders. Why did prosecutors offer a plea deal?

 

[Swansee]

IMO it would be pointless to trim brows two months before the trial. They'd have grown back in by the time the trial got started.
The brows do seem to have been gradually diminishing and I've wondered if he could have been pulling his brow hairs out (trichotillomania). Stress from the growing realization this is the end of the road for him?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Joshua Ritter once again interviews the Idaho Stateman’s Kevin Fixler:

Fixler discusses the plea hearing, which he attended, and confirms that Dylan Mortensen attended as well.

The two men also discuss the video by Azget Industries (creator of the May 9 Dateline video re-enactment) that was posted on July 1 and shared by @MassGuy:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1941188358014894187

Here’s the same video on YouTube if you don’t do TikTok: Idaho 4 Murders

 

[girlhasnoname]

I think we all thought he was creepy when we saw his picture after his arrest, but I also think that we were biased by knowing what the stood accused of at the time.
He has a very intense state, especially for the camera, and that is what I think makes him look so off, im just not sure e if we were to come across him as some random face on the street that we would feel it so strongly.

I do also think that any conversation with him would give off a vibe, possibly more awkward than serial killer at first impression though.

Agree @Rolypolyoly maybe not serial killer at first, but I have to say of all the vids and clips I've seen of BK (traffic stops, hearings, etc.), I would definitely run. Bright flashing warning lights going off full tilt.

Not just awkward, but something sinister. I have only felt that way immediately with a handful of defendants over the years. Leticia S in the Gannon Stauch murder case was another. Pure evil.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I thought it quite an odd thing. He was pleading guilty. What did it matter? I'm guilty, but I don't have bushy eyebrows?

It wasn't a fact that Judge Hippler would definitely accept BK's plea, or even if BK wouldn't flip flop and withdraw.

I think the Defense were covering their bases by presenting this much younger looking BK for the Judge and the general pop who watched the hearings live. There weren't a lot of other times he would be appearing in public before trial.

Bushy eyebrows, along with the DNA on the sheath were crucial elements of the State's case.

All IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Joshua Ritter once again interviews the Idaho Stateman’s Kevin Fixler:

Fixler discusses the plea hearing, which he attended, and confirms that Dylan Mortensen attended as well.

The two men also discuss the video by Azget Industries (creator of the May 9 Dateline video re-enactment) that was posted on July 1 and shared by @MassGuy:



Here’s the same video on YouTube if you don’t do TikTok: Idaho 4 Murders

They're a great combination, I've followed Josh since he started his channel but having Adam there to maintain accuracy on the case details is great.

I learned a few things from the CGI animation although it's all TBC until disclosure
- MM & KG's blood found in XK's bedroom
- XK's blood in the upper hallway. ( No wonder Thompson's voice was breaking at the hearing when he read out her name. I so wish she had been asleep, its just horrific)
- hearing the audio - haunting voices, thud & dog bark - within a full sequence is truly hideous.

A couple of other remarks from Fixler & Ritter
- the lack of a proffer & interview ( Maybe Pros tried but BK was adamant as late as 30 June that he'd never sit down to an interview even if the State responded with threatened leverage of refusal to accept?)
- sad to hear that Goncalves had included names of the three female victims on their car bumper but excluded Ethan Chapin's name.

 

[girlhasnoname]

Jumping off this point in your post to ask your - and everybody else's - opinion on the last Katherine Ramsland interview I saw and related issue. ( Also author Howard Blum's)

It disturbed me to listen to Ramsland and Blum salivate over the prospect of interviewing BK for future book projects.
While I appreciate that BK won't be able to sign any book contract nor gain financially from recounting his crimes, it sounds as if others will offer him a platform for their books

As much as I too am interested in the details & unanswered questions - having followed the case on WS for the first 1.5 years - I worry he will get a mouthpiece.
( Maybe authors will also put money on his commissary? Also empathise with the families at the prospect of BK's future prison interviews & exclusive access books)

Ramsland's interview is around 23mins through to the end of the show where Howard Blum replies ' You bet, I'm ready to go'

As an aside, I was also surprised to hear Ramsland say she thought he'd had great potential. Like you, I don't think he's very smart. A diligent & obsessive student, sure.

Right, BK (119) was barely above the average IQ (115).

Contrary to popular belief, IQ test scores are not a measure of intelligence. They are a measurement of one’s cognitive ability to solve problems. They do not consider non-cognitive elements such as personality, motivation, conscientiousness or perseverance, all of which can have significant influence on your life and career. (BK's failure to launch IMO)

BK's non-cognitive IQ is low I'd guess, as evidenced by his actions throughout his teen and later years. We do not have a lot of information on his early childhood development. We do know he had a disordered mind in later years by his own admissions, if you believe them.

JMO

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[Miss Poovy]

But it doesn't matter since he took his own selfie immediately after the crime, and since he pled, it's a moot point now. The selfie would prove the bushy eyebrows no matter what he looked like in court. Scott Peterson had dyed his hair orange and grown a goatee when he was arrested. At trial he was back to his natural brunette hair color and clean shaven. He was still convicted. I was also almost on jury duty for a gang member murder where they dressed him up in a lavender sweater and brought him into the courtroom to see his prospective jurors. I was excused from the case, but thought to myself, he looks like a gang member in a sweater. Turns out that I was right, they convicted him without me.

IMO, the Neanderthal brow ridge is as identifying as the hair brows . . . Whatever you do to the hair brows, the ridge is still there.

 

[Sachi]

That signature with the ornamental C was also discussed on the last Vinne Politan show because Vinnie was commenting on how different the two signatures were, even though BK had signed them one day apart. ( The frilly C was on the plea agreement 30 June and the normal C was on 1st July plea sheets. He's attempting classical serif style imo - which is rather ' grand'. - but gets it wrong. )
I also thought the stylistic inconsistency was unusual, but more typical in a child who's still not decided on their sig style



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OMG, my husband looked at it, said.. it's a little "F" on the bottom.

 

[Sachi]

That signature with the ornamental C was also discussed on the last Vinne Politan show because Vinnie was commenting on how different the two signatures were, even though BK had signed them one day apart. ( The frilly C was on the plea agreement 30 June and the normal C was on 1st July plea sheets. He's attempting classical serif style imo - which is rather ' grand'. - but gets it wrong. )
I also thought the stylistic inconsistency was unusual, but more typical in a child who's still not decided on their sig style



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it does look life a little "f" at the bottom of the C

 

[Sachi]

Which leads me to think about what it would mean, is Bryan “ CF” Khoberger ?
In the grand scheme of things doesn’t mean anything because he’s going to prison for life but now that I see it this way I can’t unsee it. I don’t think it’s just a flourish. His .. he gets the final “word” , a little secret with himself - part of the dupers delight @ Megnut