GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[DizzyB]

They do make gloves that are resistant to cuts for gardening and the like. He could have had a pair of those I guess.
I bought a friend of mine a pair after she mindlessly stuck her hand under a running lawn mower. Yea. Many stitches later, she still has ten fingers.

A cut glove. He probably had one when he was back in PA filleting fish. They are sort of bulky and uncomfortable.
Amazing that Murphy never went into the open bedroom where Kaylee was. The scene must have been so chaotic for LE that they needed to move him out asap.
I believe they would have been able to tell if the KaBar inflicted the facial destruction.

 

[LAborn]

Dup.

 

[Megnut]

No, it's not torture, but as I posted further back (or maybe on previous thread, can't remember) even the psychopaths get TV etc to keep them entertained IN ORDER TO keep them from ransacking the prisons, attacking each other and the prison staff etc.

Electronic babysitters for violent overgrown-babies

 

[LAborn]

Good point. Even Ramsland didn't believe it and most of his old pals didn't believe it when he'd been arrested.
( BTW The book does develop a theme of him using ' masks' to hide his true nature. Also his old friend, the young guy Jeremy Saba who was addicted to heroin warned his mom Connie that BK was highly manipulative. Coming from a heroin addict that's saying something and we did just watch him to try to schmooze a judge!)

obviously I want to add the caveat of TBC.
I can only go off what I've read & the authors only have limited info. They don't come across as feckless parents but who knows what will be further revealed. It could turn out that the sis demanded the cops be called over the phone?

Yes, good additional points. I have heard addicts are manipulative, so I would imagine even if he arrested the addiction, the behavioral parts may persist. And masking is something neurodivergent people do (I can relate), so it might be a means to deceive for inappropriate thoughts and behaviors as well as an attempt to fit in to mainstream society. What you said about the sister could have urged the police be called made me wonder--his parents because of his issues were likely more involved, enmeshed and helpful. They may have viewed him as less capable and needing help. It may have become habitual. I don't know very many parents of nearly 30 year olds who would drive cross country to deliver or retrieve their kid for example.

 

[LAborn]

A cut glove. He probably had one when he was back on PA filleting fish. They are sort of bulky and uncomfortable.
Amazing that Murphy never went into the open bedroom where Kaylee was. The scene must have been so chaotic for LE that they needed to move him out asap.
I believe they would have been able to tell if the KaBar inflicted the facial destruction.

Didn't one of the roommates say they heard the dog barking?

 

[DizzyB]

Didn't one of the roommates say they heard the dog barking?

Yes, barking was heard by roommate/s, and neighbors, and picked up on camera audio. But Murphy stayed out of Maddie’s bedroom, and was found on Kaylee’s bed.

 

[LAborn]

With that one TA friend of his saying he saw scratches and busted up knuckles on the killer in the months before the murders, makes one wonder if there were any others hurt by this monster.

It's possible he was physically preparing himself. Did he box or do martial arts?

 

[Megnut]

could Murphy have been out on her balcony?

This is a GREAT thought.

DM would know but I wonder if KG made a habit of leaving her slider open to give Murphy a doggie door. Not a great potty station for anyone standing below but a great college option for when dogs wake up earlier than their people do.

Granted there were one or two other doors Murphy might have used, maybe he did do his barking from the balcony -- he may have witnessed the felon leave on foot and peal out in his Elantra. Poor Murphy. Surely traumatized, without the words to explain it.

It makes me sad to think he wore out his barker and then just laid down.

It makes me happy however that he survived the nightmare on King Street.

JMO

 

[SteveP]

A cut glove. He probably had one when he was back in PA filleting fish. They are sort of bulky and uncomfortable.
Amazing that Murphy never went into the open bedroom where Kaylee was. The scene must have been so chaotic for LE that they needed to move him out asap.
I believe they would have been able to tell if the KaBar inflicted the facial destruction.

Well, they did say in the press conference that it was believed that only one weapon was used.

 

[LAborn]

Yes, barking was heard by roommate/s, and neighbors, and picked up on camera audio. But Murphy stayed out of Maddie’s bedroom, and was found on Kaylee’s bed.

Now I'm really confused. I thought Kaylee had moved out and was just visiting. Or do you mean the dog was put in her old room?

 

[SteveP]

Considering he left none of his blood behind, turning that knife to use the butt end to bludgeon seems a good way to cut yourself. He could have had something inside his glove, maybe brass knuckles on? Or possibly a blackjack around his wrist? Just some thoughts.

Poster @MassGuy showed a picture yesterday of a way to hold the knife so that you could stab, and use the pommel end, without changing grips, and without holding it by the blade. As to the stripe marks, the killer could have just eased up on his grip, and pushed one side of the handle across her mouth or face, with force. JMO

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Jul 24, 2025

When most of us think about how you hold a knife, it’s the first image.

I believe Kohberger held the knife like the second image though.

It is a tactical grip that allows you to stab via thrusting motions, while allowing you to use the bottom of the knife (pommel) as a bludgeoning tool, without adjusting your grip.

This would explain Kaylee’s blunt force injuries, and might also explain why Dylan interpreted the knife as a vacuum.

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[Betty P]

Things from these supps of interest:

-In these supps, people at various points are noting the slider wasn't locked and the other door into the home may have been accessible without the code. (supp 19, friend of Xana's noted doors at the house usually unlocked; supp42 , someone else says you could get in the door that had the code without using the code, and was unsure if slider was regularly locked)
-Ethan had his own apartment elsewhere (supp 90)
-The "here to help you" comment was not said nicely

(apologies if any/all of this is already noted) If those doors weren't locked, and it looks like they really weren't, he knew it. How?? LE can't track it, but he penetrated into that circle somehow. I think it went beyond floorplans. I really do suspect that was him on Halloween, probably all in costume, oh, going to a party... At the very least, he was perched out there on his little overlook, weaving his web like a venomous spider.

I can't find anything else on that beer pong table, I'm thinking that may be the only reference.

What the heck was it? Firecracker sound, sounds like a pop, loud, sudden, sharp. Sparks. I'd wonder if he wasn't taking pics of himself in the hallway with a flash but for that sound, that firecracker. AND the table being moved?? What is that? Cups being knocked over, wtheck?? Where was that table? I think it's actually a fairly wide utility table. Looking at the house's design again for a second here. Was he trying to block Ethan and Xana's potential exit with that table? He couldn't easily block Dylan (unless he was blocking the stairs to the first floor?), but he could block Ethan & Xana. That table as I recollect it didn't look heavy, but it would make noise as you'd move it. Maybe something plugged in on that table that fell (noise) and threw out a shower of sparks?? HMM. Were the cups all empty? The ones that fell off the table?? Because maybe they spilled, and the liquid made contact with an outlet or some elecrical connection, and there would be the sparks. Was it him? Or Murphy? Moving the table, my guess is him. Ok, beer pong table in supp 2. The officer comes to the scene, goes to Xana's room, and on the way back
towards the living room, the officer passes the beer pong table, which at the time had a knife on it someone had used while checking the house after the murders. MMMM, ok, that DOES make me think the murderer was using it to block that exit, perhaps. And Ethan and Xana-- they were in that little corner bedroom there, and if the living room was cut off to them, they'd have no way to get out, if my understanding of the 2nd floor layout is correct. Because they can't reach either the first floor or the kitchen without going through the living room. All specuation (obviously)...
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Slightly OT, but there’s no better time than this to suggest to students living off campus and their parents of the need to invest in some of those indoor/outdoor security cameras. Most today are affordable, of very high quality and work well even in total darkness. You can set them to send an alarm to your cell phone whenever someone approaches your home. You can add roommates and other people you trust so they can view anyone coming to the door, wandering in the yard, pulling into your driveway, etc.

Please consider these great new tools.

 

[cottonweaver]

Another poignant detail in one of the reports which hasn't been posted on WS yet, afaik. Could it be that perhaps Xana tried to barricade her door in desperate attempt to keep him out? Or did he move it?

( Also, could the sound of the furniture scraping against the floor have been misinterpreted by one of the survivors?)

LEO who surveyed the scene the next morning writes -
( supp 51)



PS the odd position of Ethan's body is mentioned in supp 51 and the cuts to the legs although the word ' carved ' isn't used on this occasion

 

[AngTxGal]

Or, a rage of the perpetrator towards someone who is coming between them and their object of their obsession. Two of the victims appeared to not be awake at the time of their killing. Two of the victims were confronting him--- taking away his ability to be stealth.

He has trademark behaviors of OCD. It is all about control. The control is exhibited outward and can be hidden from others at the same time. The inmate interview about the rage and the washing behaviors etc are very telling. He plans and has routines but don't interrupt them.

We will never know in the end, even if he tells the world. He desires to be in control so it is possible that a disclosure will not be the truth.

Not proud of it, but if you could create a situation where OCD would run off the rails it would be being in a cell in prison, for a month or so, then being given a room mate!
First you are in your own space, you figure out how you want everything to be, in your space.
Then a large hairy beast of a man is added as a roommate- who is disorganized, doesn’t respect personal space, and has less than ideal personal hygiene.
A person with OCD would lose their mind, every single day would be a battle for sanity.

We can only hope Karma has my sense of humor, lol
Please understand I am not making fun of OCD at all, I simply would find justice in imagining BK uncomfortable for the rest of his life.
IMO

 

[Wakefield6042]

What jumps out at me is the clear description of a girl with long hair in an upstairs bathroom ducking down, as if to not be seen. And her doing this multiple times, as the DoorDash driver tried to figure out where to go to make the delivery.
Would that have been Kaylee?

I remember this being one of my first troubling thoughts- upon seeing the first pictures of the house I saw online. Not all windows had closed mini blinds or curtains- you could clearly see into the house.
If it was dark outside and the lights were on inside- they may have been easy to watch.

Joseph Scott Morgan- forensic discussion of Idaho Murders
Edited- I just found a video that describes the house, layout, visibility, and dangers

This and the unlocked or broken locks, geesh!
Talk about creepy!

IMO

On another disturbing note. I remember years ago when I read I'll Be Gone In The Dark by Michelle McNamara. There was a part in that book, where two detectives were trying to figure out patterns of behaviour, of the rapist who was later on found to be The Golden State Killer.
This involved the two detectives going along back paths/routes along people's houses, through back gardens the lot, all under cover of darkness. Apart from being barked at by a dog, nobody saw them, caught them or even noticed them.They said they were taken aback, by being able to see into umpteen properties as people did not close their blinds or curtains in the evening, or even quite late into the night.
I cannot remember the exact quote or page where this took place , but it really hit home with me. In the evenings my curtains are closed on all windows of my property.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Not proud of it, but if you could create a situation where OCD would run off the rails it would be being in a cell in prison, for a month or so, then being given a room mate!
First you are in your own space, you figure out how you want everything to be, in your space.
Then a large hairy beast of a man is added as a roommate- who is disorganized, doesn’t respect personal space, and has less than ideal personal hygiene.
A person with OCD would lose their mind, every single day would be a battle for sanity.

We an only hope Karma has my sense of humor, lol
Please understand I am not making fun of OCD at all, I simply would find justice in imagining BK uncomfortable for the rest of his life.
IMO

In the reports, his jail roommate stated BK didn’t sleep, he was up all night & only took a nap during the day.

 

[Sundog]

I’ve never been fond of AT since she went far beyond the bounds of reason in her attempts to defend him.

However I recognize that she had a PROFESSIONAL duty to him.

What I CANNOT TOLERATE is when she again went beyond the bounds during sentencing, because her actions were, IMO, now operating on a PERSONAL level.

The warm-hearted smiles and the soothing physical gestures—-that’s a NO!!!!

There was no trial, sentencing was in the books—she no longer needed her lawyerly skills to cultivate Bryan’s reactions in front of a jury.

I don’t recall if she has children, but if she does, how can anyone whose professional path has ended still bestow these gentle touches on a murderer of four kids—can she imagine if it were her child?

Even if she isn’t a mother—-the battle was over. They lost. Know when to stop, AT.

Just my opinion.

All officers of the court showed lots of emotion during the sentencing hearing, given impact statements and the culmination of long, legal proceedings. AT showed her basic humanity to her client, which one would expect after representing him for almost two years and likely the one who ultimately convinced him to plead guilty and go to prison for life with no appeal. That can't have been easy, even with his family imploring BK to do the same. Ultimately, for AT, she helped save his life from an Idaho firing squad, which was her ulitmate goal and rightly so. For BK, the result is likely not much better. So I understand the complex feelings of each of the judicial officers at that final hearing. And I deeply respect AT for her professionalism and her compassion toward her client given the circumstances of that last hearing. May God be with all of them.

 

[Sundog]

What’s the chances he gets a transfer to the Pennsylvania prison system? Can he do that?

If it does happen, then I think it won't happen for at least six months or so, until the media around the case subsides some.

 

[stormymama]

RE: BK's sister in court. The Daily Mail sensationalized the color of her dress. To me, it's more of a burnt orangey-brown/rust color, not red. (Link is above somewhere in this fast-moving thread.)

I see the resemblance in the siblings. The sister being normal, everyday-looking, attractive even, and BK being empty. I also suspect she was not there in support of her monster brother, but her mom (or dad, if he was there.) moo

 

[al66pine]

Facing the Evidence?

IMO his parents should have faced the evidence and encouraged their son to confess long ago.

As bits and pieces of evidence trickled out, did one parent or both parents follow closely enough to understand the totality and realize the likelihood of four homicide convictions? IDK.

If one or both did, seems possible that one or both encouraged* him to confess.

But he may have refused to listen to them, until attorneys advised
until all defense tactics were exhausted, and they could do nothing to prevent or further delay trial.

imo
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* by coaxing, urging, pressing, pressuring, exhorting, prodding, goading, imploring, beseeching, and begging?
Maybe even starting in early days after his arrest, when the ProbCause affidavit was released? IDK.