GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[LetsSolvIt]

K

https://twitter.com/x/status/1948422910705840130

OMO but does anyone else feel like he might be feeling a bit smug?

 

[LinasK]

K

OMO but does anyone else feel like he might be feeling a bit smug?

No, I see anger and trying to look intimidating.

 

[whowy]

Does anyone have a theory about why BK checked Broadcastify for local police feeds before heading out to commit these atrocities?
The end of the recently released Moscow Police document #174 includes the following: " In Kohberger's Chrome tab History, on his phone, I located where he searched Google for: Broadcastify.com/listen/feed, Pullman police and fire dispatch live audio feed, on 11-13-2022 at 12:26:49 AM.

 

[LAborn]

isn't it interesting that he wanted to only apply for schools that didn't require use of an entry test (GRE) - maybe he actually was scared he wasn't THAT smart (especially under standardised iq testing conditions)

For many people, including neurodivergent, standardized testing isn't an accurate indicator of intelligence or knowledge of subjects.

 

[LinasK]

Does anyone have a theory about why BK checked Broadcastify for local police feeds before heading out to commit these atrocities?
The end of the recently released Moscow Police document #174 includes the following: " In Kohberger's Chrome tab History, on his phone, I located where he searched Google for: Broadcastify.com/listen/feed, Pullman police and fire dispatch live audio feed, on 11-13-2022 at 12:26:49 AM.

To see if anyone was in the area?

 

[LAborn]

yes i did read that - the hilt is designed to protect the hand from slipping onto the knife blade - blood makes a weapon extremely slippery....as to the persons description of the butt of the weapon being used - it appears that would require it only being used mostly on its end as the major force with downward force - and i guess - its a matter of opinion - and only based upon a basic general explanation of kaylee's injuries no one can fully assess whether the weapon was capable of inflicting THAT amount of damage with THAT handhold with THAT possible amount of torque and force.

Well, we have the knife and the injuries to provide a fair idea of what happened. He did this in 12 minutes--fast. Logic would lean toward he used one weapon, with his favored hand. I doubt he would use the knife, then put it down and use his fist to punch for example. Others have said he likely watched videos about how to use this knife--the blade and the butt.

 

[snooptroop88]

isn't it interesting that he wanted to only apply for schools that didn't require use of an entry test (GRE) - maybe he actually was scared he wasn't THAT smart (especially under standardised iq testing conditions)

I don't know that I believe him about this, either, though. Maybe he applied to WSU because of the Bundy tie-in & UC Irvine (he mentioned this one, too, I believe) because Irvine's tied in with Golden State Killer. That whole area on the coast was once crawling with SKs.

This person is-- batty. He's vicious, bloodthirsty, kinda clever batty. Full of malice, full of venom. I know he targeted his victims & the house, jmo. I know he stalked them, he was playing them, giving just enough to alert them, scare them, but not enough to actually cross the line in their heads and call LE, and he knew that line was there with them, jmo. And it's there with a lot of people, myself included, you don't want to be calling LE in for nothing or something that turns out to be a prank. If he left both doors hanging open at that house, it was a taunt not just at the innocent people he'd just unalived, but LE, too.

He is absolutely disgusting. SO crazy. And SO glad and relieved he's gone. That sheet of paper with a heart on it-- it's the closest he can come to having a heart, jmo.

 

[Seattle1]

This is an interesting take. I respect the opinion. What you describe may be in some. I have known a good many criminal defense attorneys. Their motivations differ. Some got into it for the challenge. I would say that they see it as some sort of game or puzzle to solve, and finding any angle they can to cast doubt and at least make some jurors question becomes the focus. They out up blinders. In that, many love the challenge of trying to win and really see it through that prism.

Some, particularly some who are older, are very much on a crusade, and it is their view of many things. They see a system they believe is unfair for some, and looking for a defense that can succeed with a jury is the way to try to beat that system.

And I have to say a good many compartmentalize, and are in it for the money. So ascribing more noble motivations to a good many, I have not seen. There certainly are some, but I would say the majority, no. Not in my experience.

IME, capital qualified defense attorneys are constitutional attorneys first, because the reality here is there are few acquittals when you're defending somebody who the state is seeking to put to death-- as penalty for the crime: strong evidence and a heinous crime.

Anne Taylor, 59, the only capital qualified lawyer in North Idaho, seems to fit the role:

“Anne is a genuinely good person and wants to thoroughly, effectively defend her cases,” he said. “I really believe she believes in what she does. The Constitution, if it doesn’t work for all of us, it doesn’t work for any of us.”

“She’s probably the perfect person for a very difficult job. She leaves no stone unturned and is not intimidated by anything, or anybody,” said Roark, who has known Taylor for nearly a decade. “She’s showing in this case a great work ethic and she will do everything she is legally, ethically, professionally compelled to do — and a little more after that.”

Kevin Fixler's write-up titled "The Public Defender" is worth a read. MOO

Read more at: https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310334370.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Chimera]

Well, we have the knife and the injuries to provide a fair idea of what happened. He did this in 12 minutes--fast. Logic would lean toward he used one weapon, with his favored hand. I doubt he would use the knife, then put it down and use his fist to punch for example. Others have said he likely watched videos about how to use this knife--the blade and the butt.

Awful.
I'm thinking possible broken cheekbones, nose and/or teeth ?

It sounds like even the families have been kept from some information ?
For instance, didn't KG's mom say she didn't know until recently (before sentencing, though) that her daughter had been badly beaten in the face ?

We don't need to know everything but I'm hoping the families are given all the information they seek.
They deserve at least that much, imo !

 

[GMG1999]

Awful.
I'm thinking possible broken cheekbones, nose and/or teeth ?

It sounds like even the families have been kept from some information ?
For instance, didn't KG's mom say she didn't know until recently (before sentencing, though) that her daughter had been badly beaten in the face ?

We don't need to know everything but I'm hoping the families are given all the information they seek.
They deserve at least that much, imo !

My assumption is the families were given their loved ones bodies for burial after the autopsies were completed? Would they not have known the injuries then?

 

[twall]

Does anyone have a theory about why BK checked Broadcastify for local police feeds before heading out to commit these atrocities?
The end of the recently released Moscow Police document #174 includes the following: " In Kohberger's Chrome tab History, on his phone, I located where he searched Google for: Broadcastify.com/listen/feed, Pullman police and fire dispatch live audio feed, on 11-13-2022 at 12:26:49 AM.

There was a hit and run near his apartment complex at that time.

 

[GoJacks]

Does anyone have a theory about why BK checked Broadcastify for local police feeds before heading out to commit these atrocities?
The end of the recently released Moscow Police document #174 includes the following: " In Kohberger's Chrome tab History, on his phone, I located where he searched Google for: Broadcastify.com/listen/feed, Pullman police and fire dispatch live audio feed, on 11-13-2022 at 12:26:49 AM.

It's referenced in that document there was a hit and run at 11:40pm near his apartment. He also had a screen shot of the jail roster, of who I assume was the person responsible for the hit and run. So it seems he was probably interested in whatever was going on with that, for whatever reason.

 

[AppleTreeGreen]

@LAborn I was responding to a post of yours from way back in the previous thread, when the thread was shut down on p.83. So bringing it over here:

LAborn: “They're saying he may have at least 1 cellmate, maybe more. He strikes me as a loner and having someone in the space with him is going to be a kind of hell for him.”

My comment:
"L'enfer c'est les autres", ("Hell is other people") from Sartre in the play Huis Clos. Especially if you're stuck with them forever, as those three were in Huis Clos. That was their Hell, instead of fire and damnation. I hope it will be at least one form for BK, before his death. After death, another type of hell for all I care.

MOO

One other thing I was thinking about that may be hell for him is having one or more female COs or women in power within the prison system he will live in. They will have the power and authority to check his behavior, call out his behavior if he does something wrong or correct him if he performs his duties not up to par. They will have the power to decide and duel out punishments and responsibilities as they sees fit or be the one to decide to take away one of his privileges because he wasn’t being complacent with the directions or orders they give him or he proves to be combative or threatening towards themselves or others or tries to incite resistance or violence against the prison guards, particularly the female ones, because of his misogynistic views towards their gender. JMO, but I think being under the power that the power and authority of the female COs and prison guards will have over him will be a source of constant frustration, anger, bitterness and discomfort for him in prison and may exacerbate his suffering as there is nothing he can do about it and any sense of power or vindication he felt for the terrible murders he committed will be undermined every day of his life as a prisoner.

Also IMO, in comparison to the lifestyle BK was used to at home and at school, the lack of privacy, some prisons compared to others being exceptionally dirty and he may be expected to help clean them and clean after others while being exposed to all types of germs and toxins, including deadly ones, bodily fluids and even fecal matter and the additional fact that there might already be an established hierarchy among the prisoners and no matter his place in it there will likely be those above him who will wield more control, may not be impressed or concerned by him or his crimes at all despite how horrific they were, continue to expect him to submit “to whatever they say goes”, and may resort to bullying or violence to indoctrinate or shun the newcomer. Any or all such scenarios may contribute to his life in prison being quite hellish, particularly if he is someone who is motivated by the need or desire for power, control and superiority over others or whose impulse for rage and violence does not compare to the violence, vindictiveness, aggression, fighting skills and power wielded by other prisoners or their friends/gangs. He’ll know that any attempt to act on impulse or fantasies again of revenge and hatred for any prisoners who made him feel humiliated or remind him of others who had done so to him before and against whom he still holds a grudge will likely end up him being the one severely harmed or even dead. IMO, reality will hit him when any thoughts of success or power and vindication he thought he gained by murdering MM, KG, XK and EC will dwindle down when he realizes how small, powerless and weak he really is now in the prison system and is a potential target for monsters who are even more vicious, reactive, and therefore more dangerous, than he is.


I am glad that BK plead guilty and took accountability for the vile crimes he committed against MM, KG, EC and XC and the threats he posed to the lives and safety of the surviving roommates. BK had no right to their lives, bodies, home and safety but still chose to kill them brutally and mercilessly. Whatever his problems, thoughts, emotions or ideologies were that may have served as motivators for his actions, none of them justified or entitled him to the harm, suffering or death he inflicted on his victims, their loved ones and the surviving roommates. All of the responsibility and blame solely belong to him and he should be forced to face the families and the justice system as they hold him accountable for all of insurmountable the loss and harm he has caused. He will face and suffer from the consequences of his crimes everyday of his life and furthermore, not be able to hurt and target anyone else as I believe he would have committed more attacks and murders if given the chance. He wanted to live in infamy like Ted Bundy, IMO. However, whereas I hope XK, EC, MM and KG memories, lives and legacy continue to be honored, respected and remembered, BK’s is forgotten by the rest of society or if anything, replaced with nothing more than his prison number.

However, of course these are JMO, speculation or thoughts

 

[LetsSolvIt]

BK flying off the handle in jail when he mistakenly thought he had been slighted by another inmate

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He talked to m0mma for hours every day? Interesting.

Thinking about it though, perhaps prisoners have a very short list of people approved for phone calls, like maybe only immediate family? IDK. OMO. But m0m, everyday?

 

[LetsSolvIt]

The numbers 1….6….3….2….and 4 are currently filing a restraining order against being forced to be associated with this inmate.

I don’t understand what you mean. Sounds interesting. Would you please say more?

 

[Sundog]

Some interesting facts about what a "death sentence" actually means in Idaho:

June 24, 2024-- Archived


Nine inmates are on death row in Idaho, with Daybell being the latest addition. Thomas Creech, the longest-serving inmate on death row, was sentenced to die 41 years ago, and an attempt was made to execute him in February but was called off after medical workers could not establish an IV line.

The seven other inmates have been on death row since 1986, 1992, 1993, 1996, 2004 and 2017, with the current length of stay averaging at just over 27 years.

The main reason for the long delay in executing inmates is due to a lengthy set of appeals, according to L. LaMont Anderson, the chief of the Idaho Attorney General's Office Capital Litigation Unit. He has been an attorney in the division for 27 years.

"My unit is responsible for doing all the appellate work in capital cases in Idaho," Anderson tells EastIdahoNews.com. "The appellate work from the capital arena includes appeals to the Idaho Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. District Court for the state of Idaho and the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals."

Automatic appeal and post-conviction relief​

The Idaho Supreme Court automatically reviews each death penalty sentence separate from any appeal that may be filed. This is not optional, cannot be waived and during this time, the death sentence is suspended.

"Capital cases are very, very different from noncapital cases," Anderson says. "Instead of going directly to an appeal, you have post-conviction relief, and that petition has to be filed within 42 days of the entry of the judgment. In noncapital cases, you have the guilt phase, you have the sentencing phase, you have the first appeal and then after that first appeal, you go to post-conviction. But everything is consolidated in a capital case."

According to Idaho law, "the defendant must file any legal or factual challenge to the sentence or conviction that is known or reasonably should be known" including any claims of ineffective assistance of counsel.

A closer look at why Chad Daybell's execution is likely many years away

A 12-person jury sentenced Chad Daybell to death this month, but it will be many years, maybe decades, before the Fremont County man is executed.

www.ksl.com

The death-row inmate since 1993 is a female. When her appeals run out, she will likely be facing a firing squad in Idaho for her execution.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

He talked to m0mma for hours every day? Interesting.

Thinking about it though, perhaps prisoners have a very short list of people approved for phone calls, like maybe only immediate family? IDK. OMO. But m0m, everyday?

No doubt her love for her son is unconditional, as a parent’s love should be. I am only sorry her love did not prevent her son from committing such heinous acts and that it did not help him take accountability sooner.

Even now, with his silence—his refusal to answer Alivea Goncalves’s questions—he continues to hurt his victims and fuels ongoing speculation that he is sacrificing his own life to protect his parents.

A parent’s role is not only to offer unconditional love, but also to guide your child to be a good and decent person. To do that, we must be on the lookout for troubling behavior and intervene as soon as possible. And not just parents—all of us who have a relationship with the child and parents.

As Katherine Ramsland says, if a child displays psychopathic traits, intervention must occur in early childhood to be most effective: 3 Dimensions of Youthful Psychopathy.

IMO

(Edited to correct the spelling of Kaylee’s sister’s name.)

 

[LinasK]

No doubt her love for her son is unconditional, as a parent’s love should be. I am only sorry her love did not prevent her son from committing such heinous acts and that it did not help him take accountability sooner.

Even now, with his silence—his refusal to answer Alevia Goncalves’s questions—he continues to hurt his victims and fuels ongoing speculation that he is sacrificing his own life to protect his parents.

A parent’s role is not only to offer unconditional love, but also to guide your child to be a good and decent person. To do that, we must be on the lookout for troubling behavior and intervene as soon as possible. And not just parents—all of us who have a relationship with the child and parents.

As Katherine Ramsland says, if a child displays psychopathic traits, intervention must occur in early childhood to be most effective: 3 Dimensions of Youthful Psychopathy.

IMO

I disagree. My love for my child is conditional: if she murders someone, she's losing my love. She can face the Death Penalty on her own for her actions. I raised my child to take responsibility.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The numbers 1….6….3….2….and 4 are currently filing a restraining order against being forced to be associated with this inmate.

I don’t understand what you mean. Sounds interesting. Would you please say more?

Not the OP, but:

The murderer’s identifiying number in prison consists of those numbers: IDOC #163214. @SteveP has fittingly started to refer to the murderer in this way.

 

[LAborn]

Awful.
I'm thinking possible broken cheekbones, nose and/or teeth ?

It sounds like even the families have been kept from some information ?
For instance, didn't KG's mom say she didn't know until recently (before sentencing, though) that her daughter had been badly beaten in the face ?

We don't need to know everything but I'm hoping the families are given all the information they seek.
They deserve at least that much, imo !

Yes. It's terrible. That's my understanding too, families are learning the extent of their injuries since the gag order was lifted.