GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[potr]

Chatty Cathy talking about school, his love of learning, being challenged by driving, belief or not in God, his job as a TA, shooting the breeze.

isn't it interesting that he wanted to only apply for schools that didn't require use of an entry test (GRE) - maybe he actually was scared he wasn't THAT smart (especially under standardised iq testing conditions)

 

[Dexter12]

Dogs absolutely feel fear and many other human emotions. Cadaver dogs definitely can tell if a person is deceased. I've experienced more than one dog in my life lick my face to wake me up to see if I'm alive.

He was found on Kaylee's bed. There is link in previous thread

 

[LadyL]

I think they are restricted in how they communicate with the outside world. Obviously, some prisoners are good at circumventing these controls, one way or another, but I think that's more common with prisoners with gang ties who have experience with organized crime and can manipulate people. But BK is not going to be able to set up a website for probergers and inches.

[bbm]

inches?

 

[potr]

Someone posted how a person uses the butt of the knife as a weapon also by holding the handle differently. This knife is designed to protect the hand from being cut. If you go back in the thread you'll be able to see the image.

yes i did read that - the hilt is designed to protect the hand from slipping onto the knife blade - blood makes a weapon extremely slippery....as to the persons description of the butt of the weapon being used - it appears that would require it only being used mostly on its end as the major force with downward force - and i guess - its a matter of opinion - and only based upon a basic general explanation of kaylee's injuries no one can fully assess whether the weapon was capable of inflicting THAT amount of damage with THAT handhold with THAT possible amount of torque and force.

 

[LinasK]

He was found on Kaylee's bed. There is link in previous thread

I was responding to the question whether or not dogs feel fear in general and can tell if a person is dead.

 

[Sundog]

Is death penalty only administered via firing squad there?

Idaho becomes first state to make firing squad the primary method of execution

Idaho Governor Brad Little has signed a bill that revises the methods of capital punishment in Idaho to make a firing squad the primary method of execution.

www.kivitv.com

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I think they are restricted in how they communicate with the outside world. Obviously, some prisoners are good at circumventing these controls, one way or another, but I think that's more common with prisoners with gang ties who have experience with organized crime and can manipulate people. But BK is not going to be able to set up a website for probergers and inches.

[bbm]

inches?

Perhaps incels?

 

[Gigiky]

Not necessarily. If his parents put money on his account, the State cannot garnish the funds, as they are considered "gift" and technically not "BK's" money per se. This is something I have been interested in, because that is huge leverage. People in prison depend on outside sources of income to pave the way to the "luxury" prison life. It is a tough go, to rely only on the limited funds earned in prison.

I have speculated that BK's family may have been instrumental in BK taking a plea. The fact that his Mother and sister came to the sentencing hearing seemed to indicate they were there for BK.

I live in KY and they can take money from your Inmate account if you owe court ordered restitution.

 

[femto]

Maddie had a deep wound cut right across her face and Kaylee was stabbed, more than 30 times and repeatedly in her face. Xana was reportedly stabbed 50 times and Ethan's leg was carved. That all sounds very personal to the killer, like he was enraged. IMO

I think he just went there expecting to kill Maddie quick and quiet and found himself way over his head and reacted with excessive force. I don't think it was any deeper than that. Both Maddie and Ethan, who didn't have time to fight back were dispatched relatively quickly. Kaylee and Xana, who did fight back, were attacked ferociously. I think his goal was to kill them as quick as possible. No calculating moves, just primal attack to dispatch the victim as quick as possible fueled purely by adrenaline. Was he angry? Well, most definitely. Someone who plans to kill with a knife has quite a bit of anger stored in him yes but I don't think their injuries were done so because he planned it or wanted to take it out on them specifically. I think he wanted to do a very calculated, well planned attaack that left no trace and allowed him to quickly slip out with none the wiser. His plan immediately went to crap and he was forced to react on instinct and panic.

BK cares about himself. As all narcissists do. He probably doesn't give a crap about his family. But, he is definitely smart enough to realize he was going to be in prison for life, and having someone outside putting money on his commissary fund is what BK needed. I have no doubt his mother is putting cash on his account. As evidenced by her presence at his sentencing hearing.

If she didn't care about him, she wouldn't have shown up.

I mean, he does care to some degree. In his past comments he said something of the like 'i hate hurting my parents'. I think by the time he committed these murders he was so checked out from depression that he wanted to feel 'alive', so to speak. He was chasing the high he got from the heroin

 

[xjd11]

What is a blackjack?

blackjack is a somewhat flexible, heavily weighted stick or baton

 

[pittsburghgirl]

i disagree, because if he was using that then he would have had to have used the blade as the handle - at least for some of it to be really effective - which means. 1. he would have had to have protected himself from injury from the blade...and if that was the sheath...2. then the sheath would have had much evidence of blood from that particular part of the attack - which was not reported at all - and would have of course led le to conclude that it was on during part of the attack - and by testing whose blood, they could conclude who was being attacked using the knife handle as a weapon and the sheaf as protector of assailant. Unless he was wearing chainmail gloves i cannot imagine how he could have assured his hands were protected from the blade.

Earlier in this thread, Steve P, I think, showed the grip to use when alternating between using the blade and the butt of the weapon.

 

[xjd11]

i disagree, because if he was using that then he would have had to h ave used the blade as the handle - at least for some of it to be really effective - which means. 1. he would have had to have protected himself from injury from the blade...and if that was the sheath...2. then the sheath would have had much evidence of blood from that particular part of the attack - which was not reported at all - and would have of course led le to conclude that it was on during part of the attack - and by testing whose blood, they could conclude who was being attacked using the knife handle as a weapon and the sheaf as protector of assailant. Unless he was wearing chainmail gloves i cannot imagine how he could have assured his hands were protected from the blade.

if he was using the knife in an upward or forward thrusting motion (as has been said by others is the most efficient and lethal), then all he would have to do to use it as a bludgeon is to bring it in a downwards/hammerlike motion. no need to change hand positions.

 

[soap mama]

who engages in small talk for that long when cops have you in an interview room? I would be busting at the chops to find out why I was there and they would be getting short replies to anything else

Who you ask? A pompous a hole, that's who.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

[bbm]

inches?

I thought I typed "incels" but just now it autocorrected three times. Sorry!

 

[soap mama]

isn't it interesting that he wanted to only apply for schools that didn't require use of an entry test (GRE) - maybe he actually was scared he wasn't THAT smart (especially under standardised iq testing conditions)

Yes, some really smart people struggle with standardized tests.

 

[Seattle1]

Some interesting facts about what a "death sentence" actually means in Idaho:

June 24, 2024-- Archived


Nine inmates are on death row in Idaho, with Daybell being the latest addition. Thomas Creech, the longest-serving inmate on death row, was sentenced to die 41 years ago, and an attempt was made to execute him in February but was called off after medical workers could not establish an IV line.

The seven other inmates have been on death row since 1986, 1992, 1993, 1996, 2004 and 2017, with the current length of stay averaging at just over 27 years.

The main reason for the long delay in executing inmates is due to a lengthy set of appeals, according to L. LaMont Anderson, the chief of the Idaho Attorney General's Office Capital Litigation Unit. He has been an attorney in the division for 27 years.

"My unit is responsible for doing all the appellate work in capital cases in Idaho," Anderson tells EastIdahoNews.com. "The appellate work from the capital arena includes appeals to the Idaho Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court, the U.S. District Court for the state of Idaho and the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals."

Automatic appeal and post-conviction relief​

The Idaho Supreme Court automatically reviews each death penalty sentence separate from any appeal that may be filed. This is not optional, cannot be waived and during this time, the death sentence is suspended.

"Capital cases are very, very different from noncapital cases," Anderson says. "Instead of going directly to an appeal, you have post-conviction relief, and that petition has to be filed within 42 days of the entry of the judgment. In noncapital cases, you have the guilt phase, you have the sentencing phase, you have the first appeal and then after that first appeal, you go to post-conviction. But everything is consolidated in a capital case."

According to Idaho law, "the defendant must file any legal or factual challenge to the sentence or conviction that is known or reasonably should be known" including any claims of ineffective assistance of counsel.

A closer look at why Chad Daybell's execution is likely many years away

A 12-person jury sentenced Chad Daybell to death this month, but it will be many years, maybe decades, before the Fremont County man is executed.

www.ksl.com

 

[LinasK]

Yes but one downside to internet crime sites IMO is literally every single thing about a case and everyone in proximity to it gets pathologized.

See: dress choice, as well as defense attorneys not spitting on their clients.

If you are going to be in court in a high-profile murder case, expect your behavior and dress to be scrutinized-especially if you are there in support of a convicted murderer. There were cameras present. My brother is a retired lawyer and always taught me to dress to be respectful of the court- ie grey suits, not flashy colors, etc.

 

[Seattle1]

Per Vinelink Chad Daybell is still in Idaho Maximum Security. (Release date the day after BK in the year 9999.)

VINELink

www.vinelink.com

Daybell was sentenced to death. Where else would he be? He's not leaving the State!

 

[Sundog]

Yes, some really smart people struggle with standardized tests.

Most university graduate programs removed the GRE testing requirement during Covid and for a time beyond Covid, or made it optional. Something that universities had been wanting to do for a long time.

 

[Missyrocks5]

AT was in the public eye, she was not just being his professional defense attorney, she was advertising.
If BK called his mother the night of the murders, and his mother has been the one who he has called while in prison- who do you think has had communications with his defense attorney.
My guess is- it is his mom. AT would have a relationship and responsibility to her client- and his family. Her job was never to represent the victims, it was to be sure he got representation.

Sure she could be self-serving, a real piece of work, lacking empathy, all in it for the glory and fame, all in it for the photo ops. Or not.
I watched the OJ trial, his attorneys laughed it up with him regularly.
Karen Read’s attorneys smiled, touched her back, cried for her. And if she had done it- they likely still would have.
Leslie Abramson- Defended the Menendez brothers, as they cried on the stand. She showed them empathy.
Ethan Crumbley- Also had a female attorney
Nikolas Cruz- Parkland shooter- female attorney smiled and touched him during the trial, keep them from getting the death penalty.

There are actually a lot of female defense attorneys- for male killers, for whatever reason.
It may be that young men need a nurturing woman during this time of their life. They are still humans- and I don’t agree with cruel unusual punishment.
To become inhumane makes us like them- we should be better. Once they are found guilty- put them in a cage.

Some of these attorneys likely see it as their contribution to humanity- they think everyone deserves representation and do not believe in the death penalty.
Why would a woman be so bold to do something this is not only hard- but controversial. They are driven by greed, or principle, but not popularity. I find that admirable.

I think it is a fascinating emotional place to be in- to be a defense attorney to a murderer. To see the human in the monster- and represent the human.
While I assume she has struggled throughout her career to emotionally handle cases like this, I do not see her as less human, in my opinion, it makes us see that the world isn’t simply Good and Evil. She is complicated, interesting, and intelligent to understand that even monsters have rights.
I wouldn’t do it- but someone has to.

IMO

This is an interesting take. I respect the opinion. What you describe may be in some. I have known a good many criminal defense attorneys. Their motivations differ. Some got into it for the challenge. I would say that they see it as some sort of game or puzzle to solve, and finding any angle they can to cast doubt and at least make some jurors question becomes the focus. They out up blinders. In that, many love the challenge of trying to win and really see it through that prism.

Some, particularly some who are older, are very much on a crusade, and it is their view of many things. They see a system they believe is unfair for some, and looking for a defense that can succeed with a jury is the way to try to beat that system.

And I have to say a good many compartmentalize, and are in it for the money. So ascribing more noble motivations to a good many, I have not seen. There certainly are some, but I would say the majority, no. Not in my experience.