GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[ShadyLady]

I can't figure out how there is no blood residue, apparently inside or outside. Some have said he was maybe wearing gloves and booties to cover his shoes. I have no evidence, but also believe it was intended to be a sexual crime. BK had done searches about drugging and forced sex (it's in this thread somewhere). Think it was Maddie.

Do you mean the news clipping about Bundy's execution? She's not a Bundy supporter, she's anti death penalty. Many people at the time thought cheering outside his execution was in poor taste.

But, he must have taken time to change shoe coverings a few times, from girls room to second bedroom, then out of the house. So he came with several shoe coverings? Or did he end up bare foot as some point?

I get that some people are against the death penalty, but I think it's just odd to write a comment for newspaper about a serial killer, and then have a son that seems devoid of empathy. Could his mother's interest in crime lead to his interest in crime? Was his confession influenced by his mother in order to take DP off the table?

For sure this crime will continue to be studied for years. One for the books. IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

Im coming to this late and replying as I go, so someone's very well have already said the same thing, but does this sound to anyone else like BK was trying to get them to question him after he asked for a lawyer? Already trying to be 1 step ahead at getting things suppressed at a later date?
Tbf, I'm probably giving him way too much credit

Yes, he was ' fishing' for info imo

If you have a look at Grizzly True Crime's channel, she's done a very funny, sarcastic analysis of that one interview. Definitely recommend. Maybe 30 mins long

 

[AngTxGal]

Murphy may have been outside at some point. The trick is how he ended up in Kaylee's room without blood on him.

Murphy is a Labradoodle, Poodles are highly intelligent and Labs are highly trainable and emotionally intuitive.
Poor Murphy may have been terrified, of the smells, the stranger, the sounds.
The description of the cops walking in and seeing him through her open door on Kaylees bed broke my heart. After the murders the house was likely so quiet, the smells of blood.
And then the cops come in- yelling, walking through- and find him laying on Kaylee’s bed.
The cops left him in there and closed the door, and called for someone to come get him.
When they came in to remove him- he was hiding under Kaylee’s desk.
The heartache I feel for Murphy, the only eye witness to the murders upstairs, and to BK, and to the sounds and smells- it was too much. Dogs can become traumatized too.

I read about Murphy being let out earlier when they returned from being out- and I wonder if he didn’t return as quickly as he should have. Other reports say he wandered around behind the house sometimes.
And then he was back inside and then upstairs.
He evidently barked near the time of the murders- but in the house.
And Kayee’s door was open- but he must have been terrified and stayed in there.

I have a female lab for 12 years, she was part of the family. If our gate was open she will look out, curious as to why it isn’t closed, but she will not get out without one of us with her. Never have I had a dog as intuitive about human emotions as she was.

I’m glad BK did not hurt Murphy, and I’m almost confused why he didn’t.
That choice shows something present in him alien to the rest of who I think he is.

IMO

 

[LAborn]

But, he must have taken time to change shoe coverings a few times, from girls room to second bedroom, then out of the house. So he came with several shoe coverings? Or did he end up bare foot as some point?

I get that some people are against the death penalty, but I think it's just odd to write a comment for newspaper about a serial killer, and then have a son that seems devoid of empathy. Could his mother's interest in crime lead to his interest in crime? Was his confession influenced by his mother in order to take DP off the table?

For sure this crime will continue to be studied for years. One for the books. IMO

I don't know, it doesn't seem there would be time for that with how quickly he committed the murders.

Do we know BK's mother was interested in crime?

 

[whatzthebuzz]

I think this is it

Daily News Feb 1989- Cheering the hearse

BK’s mother Mary Ann Kohberger wrote an OpEd about the execution of Ted Bundy by the State of Florida on Jan 24, 1989.

1989? This was six years before BK was born.

There's also something in the Pocono Record published in June 2022 where his mother shares a poem by a daughter, which probably is referencing the Uvalde school shooting that happened May 2022.

Bereft of their laughter
There is now not a sound
As we lower our children into the ground
Small hands and feet
Buried six feet deep into the earth of the world that failed them.

 

[AngTxGal]

Watching the Peacock documentary, and they briefly showed a post BK made in a "visual snow" group. I found graphics of them, and find them pretty telling. Looks like from 2011 when he was 17? They've probably been posted here before, but might be interesting to revisit. There are 4. There's more details in the documentary at around the 36 min. mark (Angenette Levy narrates some of his posts). Also, possible relevance, when he started to lose weight he started boxing, so may be an aspect of the blunt force trauma on Kaylee.

The footage of them in the house and interviews with their friends feels incredibly human. It is well done, shows them as normal college students taken too soon. Get prepared with a tissue box.
Young people are our future, they hold so much promise for families, and they often get a bad rap for the learning they go through as they become adults.
It is infuriating that someone would steal that future.
We lose too many, too many young women are lost each year. We need to do better.

IMO

 

[LAborn]

Sometimes I feel known actors are distracting because you have seen them before. TJ Power is lesser known, and I think he looks a little bit like BK. But I am not ready for the re-enction that may come from a movie.

TJ Power — MKM (acting clips from his work)

I agree, lesser known is often better for this kind of thing. Power does resemble him! Reminds me of when I watched Jeremy Renner play Jeffrey Dahmer before he became a star. Wow, proof of what a great actor he is and chilling!!!

 

[cottonweaver]

Murphy is a Labradoodle, Poodles are highly intelligent and Labs are highly trainable and emotionally intuitive.
Poor Murphy may have been terrified, of the smells, the stranger, the sounds.
The description of the cops walking in and seeing him through her open door on Kaylees bed broke my heart. After the murders the house was likely so quiet, the smells of blood.
And then the cops come in- yelling, walking through- and find him laying on Kaylee’s bed.
The cops left him in there and closed the door, and called for someone to come get him.
When they came in to remove him- he was hiding under Kaylee’s desk.
The heartache I feel for Murphy, the only eye witness to the murders upstairs, and to BK, and to the sounds and smells- it was too much. Dogs can become traumatized too.

I read about Murphy being let out earlier when they returned from being out- and I wonder if he didn’t return as quickly as he should have. Other reports say he wandered around behind the house sometimes.
And then he was back inside and then upstairs.
He evidently barked near the time of the murders- but in the house.
And Kayee’s door was open- but he must have been terrified and stayed in there.

I have a female lab for 12 years, she was part of the family. If our gate was open she will look out, curious as to why it isn’t closed, but she will not get out without one of us with her. Never have I had a dog as intuitive about human emotions as she was.

I’m glad BK did not hurt Murphy, and I’m almost confused why he didn’t.
That choice shows something present in him alien to the rest of who I think he is.

IMO

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

 

[AngTxGal]

There's also something in the Pocono Record published in June 2022 where his mother shares a poem by a daughter, which probably is referencing the Uvalde school shooting that happened May 2022.

Bereft of their laughter
There is now not a sound
As we lower our children into the ground
Small hands and feet
Buried six feet deep into the earth of the world that failed them.

That is three pieces of evidence supporting the nature of BK’s mother’s empathetic heart.

1) OpEd against capital punishment for Ted Bund
2) Poem for the children murdered at Uvalde
3) Sobbing during the victim impacted statements.

How does BK think, feel, and do what he does, knowing he is adding pain to his mother’s heart?
This makes the relationship between the two even more confusing.
IMO

 

[LAborn]

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

The reason I believe Maddie was the target is Kaylee had moved out, and wasn't supposed to be there. I suspect BK had be spying for weeks and knew this. Plus, it would have meant only Maddie on the 3rd floor making attacking her easier to go undetected.

 

[AngTxGal]

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

Quite possible you are right, that he had his sights set on Maddie.
Or he had a layout in his mind and followed it, he wasn’t flexible to change his plan based on the open door and dog on the bed.
Or he did what is instinctive to most of us- and turned right at the top of the stairs. I believe that would have been Maddie’s room.
I expect he had walked through that house in his mind many times- to know the floor plan and get in and out as quickly as he did- no hesitation.

IMO

 

[whatzthebuzz]

That is three pieces of evidence supporting the nature of BK’s mother’s empathetic heart.

1) OpEd against capital punishment for Ted Bund
2) Poem for the children murdered at Uvalde
3) Sobbing during the victim impacted statements.

How does BK think, feel, and do what he does, knowing he is adding pain to his mother’s heart?
This makes the relationship between the two even more confusing.
IMO

Oh the public scrutiny his family must be under! I was conflicted about posting what I did, because in a way it just adds more fuel to the fire, but it is a matter of public record.

IMO

 

[cottonweaver]

The reason I believe Maddie was the target is Kaylee had moved out, and wasn't supposed to be there. I suspect BK had be spying for weeks and knew this. Plus, it would have meant only Maddie on the 3rd floor making attacking her easier to go undetected.

True. She'd be gone for a week and a half and her old car wouldn't have been there.

So Kaylee was attacked before the knife was even unsheathed? ( Thus, before Maddie was attacked with knife)

speculation -
There's an ex NY cop who demonstrated how easily a perp can use a sheathed Ka-Bar as a blunt-force weapon. ( Cop held the sheathed handle and used side-ways, clubbing motion) The MPD confirmed ' only one weapon, Ka Bar', so surely the 'striped' injuries are from that.

if that's how this went down then he wasn't quite ready to use the knife when Kaylee was roused from sleep? He could have been doing something to disturb/ wake her? ( or simply Murphy barked)

tbc, the sheath can only have been removed once

 

[ttjo]

This article is horrible

BK had scratches weeks before the murders and he did NOT take xanas DD, there were pics of it on the kitchen counter.

DBM
jack in the box by the kitchen sink. Many posted the picture before me, I think we can safely say he didnt takle the DD food

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Her delivery was exceptional. It wasn’t just what she said but the cadence and rhythm of her voice was so spot on. It won’t be forgotten. She would be an excellent professional speaker or actress.

She also had all of the precise words that made it so tailored to him. I loved the “wannabe condition”. The gift card, a rapper, an hypochondriac and more.

She even mentioned him being a heroin addict, which I thought was genius as it seemed something he was proud to have overcome, and she made it just one more weakness that defined him for the whole world to see in what should have been his last hurrah!

*I have the utmost respect for anyone who has overcome addiction as long as they are not BK!

 

[ttjo]

The reason I believe Maddie was the target is Kaylee had moved out, and wasn't supposed to be there. I suspect BK had be spying for weeks and knew this. Plus, it would have meant only Maddie on the 3rd floor making attacking her easier to go undetected.

Kaylee also came back in a new vehicle, wasnt one of the reasons she came back was to show her friends her vehicle. Unlikely KB would have known about that vehicle or that it belonged to her.

 

[LAborn]

True. She'd be gone for a week and a half and her old car wouldn't have been there.

So Kaylee was attacked before the knife was even unsheathed? ( Thus, before Maddie was attacked with knife)

speculation -
There's an ex NY cop who demonstrated how easily a perp can use a sheathed Ka-Bar as a blunt-force weapon. ( Cop held the sheathed handle and used side-ways, clubbing motion) The MPD confirmed ' only one weapon, Ka Bar', so surely the 'striped' injuries are from that.

if that's how this went down then he wasn't quite ready to use the knife when Kaylee was roused from sleep? He could have been doing something to disturb/ wake her? ( or simply Murphy barked)

tbc, the sheath can only have been removed once

I had to go back to see the details of where the sheath was found:
"Payne, during his review of the scene, found a leather knife sheath next to Mogen’s body in her room on the third floor of the home. Next to her, Goncalves also had been killed and injured to the extent that she was left “unrecognizable,” one police report read." https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article311350765.html#storylink=cpy

Others have said the butt end of the knife probably was used on Kaylee. IMO he would have removed the knife before attacking anyone, as if you look at a picture of the knife in the sheathe, it would be awkward to hold as the leather sticks out beyond the handle.

 

[ShadyLady]

I don't know, it doesn't seem there would be time for that with how quickly he committed the murders.

Do we know BK's mother was interested in crime?

I don't know, it doesn't seem there would be time for that with how quickly he committed the murders.

Do we know BK's mother was interested in crime?

Maybe I used the wrong word. She did not defend Bundy but advocated against the DP. Which indicates some interest in crime.

I can say I am interested in crime. I would like to see justice. From past experience I have had DV in my life, which has maybe me extra cautious in order to identify danger ahead of time.....

From my bookstore days, most readers of true crime are women, and I can completely understand that.

 

[vls12345]

I was thinking it might have been from his Dad, so strange that it was a black heart. Maybe the killer colored it in...............

Just quoting yours but my response is in general re: this paper the killer had in front of him during sentencing:

If it was a xerox, I wonder if the original image was white or a cut out but when the copy was made, it became black (because there was "nothing" to copy, therefore it filled in the image with toner/ink)?

So perhaps whatever the original version was, it wasn't black?

MOO.

 

[ttjo]

Her delivery was exceptional. It wasn’t just what she said but the cadence and rhythm of her voice was so spot on. It won’t be forgotten. She would be an excellent professional speaker or actress.

She also had all of the precise words that made it so tailored to him. I loved the “wannabe condition”. The gift card, a rapper, an hypochondriac and more.

The Rapper part was awesome, her whole speech was Epic but her tone was the best part for me.
"Stupid, clumsy, slow, sloppy, weak, dirty,"

We shouldnt even call him" K B" anymore, instead we should call him what she did. "Wanna B"