GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #113

[pittsburghgirl]

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

If the dog was on the floor, he might not have seen it. But likely he could see that no person was on the bed.

 

[LadyL]

The documents says the DD driver described the girl in the 3rd floor bathroom window as having long brown hair.

Which is confusing, because the only person in that house with brown hair of any length is Xana. Which doesn't seem right because if she was keeping an eye out for her DoorDash delivery, she'd have just as good of a view from her bedroom window on the 2nd floor...and no need to go up and use the 3rd floor bathroom since there was a bathroom right outside her own bedroom. Not to mention, she wouldn't be ducking out of down repeatedly if she was looking for own order.

Now, if the bathroom light was dim or a nightlight, it could have made it hard to tell the color of her hair. Looking at the last picture of the roommates together that afternoon, I think it would be hard in any light to mistake Maddie as having brown hair, but I can see where in a dim light she might have seen Kaylee and thought the hair was a light brown? Or Dylan, but she was in her room/asleep at that time.

maybe Ethan was in the bathroom by Xana's bedroom so she scooted upstairs quickly

 

[sripey]

Could someone confirm for me if the Pappa Rodger online account was indeed BK's? And is it also confirmed he made a rap song on SoundCloud? I never got the sense that these online foot prints were certainly his.

BK was NOT Pappa Rodger according to investigators.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime...tors-dont-know-who-bryan-kohberger-targeting/

 

[LAborn]

Graduate programs are not all the same. The Loser was in an online master's program that by nature doesn't allow all that much person-to-person interaction. In an in-person master's, you have a lot of interaction with and learning not just from professors but from the back-and-forth of discussion and group learning situations with other students.

In a department that has a PhD and a master's in the same discipline or a related one, master's students may have course work with PhD students and may also have TA responsibilities. And students further along in their programs may even supervise new grad students in their teaching role. In some of these programs, the master's is just a mile marker to the Ph.D; years ago when I did my grad studies, the master's exams determined if you could go on to the PhD.

The Loser (and other students coming into a PhD program from an online master's would have a disciplinary learning curve because doctoral work is not about learning information and feeding it back; it's about becoming someone with the knowledge and curiosity to enter the conversation experts have about the field's central and emerging questions. This is why (I think) many people get through the course work and maybe even through exams but falter at the dissertation level and leave the program "ABD"--all but dissertation. In a highly competitive program with professors who have national and international reputations, it can be a crucible. And that's aside from what it takes to teach first-year courses to undergrads.

I called DeSales the wrong name in my post. <modsnip> He had just started the program and his interpersonal skills and lack of decorum were the reasons he was let go. You don't challenge a professor as a grad student, it gets you kicked out. Stand by my original post, to get into a Ph.D. program and get a full ride with teaching assistantship is rare and difficult. Sure, WSU isn't Stanford, but nonetheless his acceptance and award is competitive. It just is. Been there, done that. I give credit where credit is due, also. I also see Luigi Mangione's accomplishments academically as commendable and rare--valedictorian at an exclusive, competitive high school, goes on to be stellar student at ivy league university. Very few accomplish that. I'm able to separate what they did academically, because I know how difficult it is.

 

[gremlin444]

Just some context to BK's mom writing a letter to the editor about Bundy's execution for those who were too young to remember that time (or weren't even born yet):

I was a high school junior in a small town in central Illinois at the time. When I was getting ready for school that morning, it literally was being discussed between songs on local radio by the DJs. When I got home from school, it was on the evening news with clips of the jeering crowds showing the people essentially tailgating outside the prison--singing songs, wearing "Fry, Bundy, Fry" t-shirts, etc. I even remember other kids talking about it at school that day.

Even people who didn't pay attention to "true crime" at the time would have had a hard time not knowing about it if they had watched television news (both local and national programs), read local/national papers, or listened to the radio.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I always admired his passion, love strong people like that, (like julia sugarbaker in Designing women lol )
. Probably where his daughter gets it from.

I admire strength and resolve, too. But I think all along he was hostile and unfair to the people who solved this crime about as fast as a stranger homicide can be solves, and to the prosecutor, who put the defense in a box that led to the Loser pleading guilty.

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree. He seemed to jeopardize the prosecution.

Jumping off here.. I wonder if anyone told him to stay quiet?

I say this because when my friend was murdered so many years ago, they told her parents a lot, sometimes because they needed to confirm something ( like in Kaylees instance if her face was unrecognizable, they may have needed a preliminary ID based on jewelry or birthmarks, etc from family). For my friend they told her parents not to mention certain things, though she did to many of us and it never went further. But there were other things they never told her not to say, and she really should not have. We didn't have all the internet back then, but if we had, she'd have been all over it, saying things she maybe should not because no one said "don't ". To me, it was a no brainer not to tell anyone "She was in a pink robe and her hair was wet" because it was something only the killer knew. But no one told her mom not to say that.

Just making a point that people in grief aren't always at the top of their game and may not realize that what they say is a problem if they were told the info and not told to keep it quiet. I don't look at the gag order as a punishment, just LE finally telling people " don't mention what maybe only the killer would know" ecause maybe SG just didn't understand.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I called DeSales the wrong name in my post. It seems like you're trying to lesson his achievement, not sure why. He had just started the program and his interpersonal skills and lack of decorum were the reasons he was let go. You don't challenge a professor as a grad student, it gets you kicked out. Stand by my original post, to get into a Ph.D. program and get a full ride with teaching assistantship is rare and difficult. Sure, WSU isn't Stanford, but nonetheless his acceptance and award is competitive. It just is. Been there, done that. I give credit where credit is due, also.

No, I'm not lessening his achievement. I'm pointing out that it's a big big leap from an online master's program to an in-person PhD program that is well-regarded in the field. I don't disagree at all about it being an achievement to get into a doctoral program with a teaching assistantship, having done that myself. I was the only master's exam candidate in my cohort to be admitted; that's how competitive it was.

In a way, I feel for the Loser because what helps the most in making the leap is making friends with other grad students, getting into a study group, going to people a year or two ahead if you have a problem with the teaching.

 

[LAborn]

No, I'm not lessening his achievement. I'm pointing out that it's a big big leap from an online master's program to an in-person PhD program that is well-regarded in the field. I don't disagree at all about it being an achievement to get into a doctoral program with a teaching assistantship, having done that myself. I was the only master's exam candidate in my cohort to be admitted; that's how competitive it was.

Thanks for the clarification and insights. I thought his masters' was in person, mainly because some classmates spoke about working with him on projects in the recent documentaries, so that was all virtual? The website says they offer in-person, hybrid and virtual options.

 

[Ghostwheel]

So Kaylee was attacked before the knife was even unsheathed? ( Thus, before Maddie was attacked with knife)

tbc, the sheath can only have been removed once

RSBM
I am curious, why do you think the sheath can only have been removed once? There is no reason you might not stab someone, wipe the blade on the covers/sheets, then resheath.

If the above were the case, and either Kaylee woke up or (as I believe) walked into the room, the knife is back in the sheath and the handle can be used as a weapon. Disable Kaylee, un sheath knife (and drop it), attack her, think that's it and leave. Except Xana.

It seems to me the knife might have been unsheathed more than once. So more than one possible scenario. JMO.

 

[xjd11]

RSBM
I am curious, why do you think the sheath can only have been removed once? There is no reason you might not stab someone, wipe the blade on the covers/sheets, then resheath.

If the above were the case, and either Kaylee woke up or (as I believe) walked into the room, the knife is back in the sheath and the handle can be used as a weapon. Disable Kaylee, un sheath knife (and drop it), attack her, think that's it and leave. Except Xana.

It seems to me the knife might have been unsheathed more than once. So more than one possible scenario. JMO.

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

 

[AngTxGal]

I called DeSales the wrong name in my post. <modsnip> He had just started the program and his interpersonal skills and lack of decorum were the reasons he was let go. You don't challenge a professor as a grad student, it gets you kicked out. Stand by my original post, to get into a Ph.D. program and get a full ride with teaching assistantship is rare and difficult. Sure, WSU isn't Stanford, but nonetheless his acceptance and award is competitive. It just is. Been there, done that. I give credit where credit is due, also. I also see Luigi Mangione's accomplishments academically as commendable and rare--valedictorian at an exclusive, competitive high school, goes on to be stellar student at ivy league university. Very few accomplish that. I'm able to separate what they did academically, because I know how difficult it is.

It is absolutely an achievement to get into a PhD program, especially one with funding.
Problem is, he was not able to do what was necessary to get through a single semester.
They likely tried to work with him, and it didn’t work. Why? Someone rolled the dice to let him in, someone wrote his letters of recommendation. And he was lacking the human skillls to get by?
In my opinion that could have been handled differently.
In the sciences a person without interpersonal skills to teach is not given a TA stipend- they may be put in a lab as a research assistant. Some can’t speak English well- so teaching isn’t going to work.
This way a person who has potential can work at what they are good at doing, and be watched and vetted and slowly moved into a TA position with training. Or learn English better.
Evidently no such alternate position was available?

It seems to me a bit ironic that he got into a criminology PhD program, with funding, and no one noticed he was lacking interpersonal skills? And he had repeated issues with students. And repeated confrontations with a prof.
The system didn’t screen him well.
He got all the rec letters he needed.
He did some kind of interview.
He provided writing samples.
And the flags didn’t go up.

When you get funding to support a student, roll the dice to get them to your school, you don’t want them to fail. This means you turned down another student- who could have succeeded and now you have an open TA slot without a TA.

I wonder if there is more to the complaints by female students than we are being told.
No one wanted to work with him to get him some skills to work with students. Hmm

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1949209417968398782

 

[Rolypolyoly]

Jumping off here.. I wonder if anyone told him to stay quiet?

I say this because when my friend was murdered so many years ago, they told her parents a lot, sometimes because they needed to confirm something ( like in Kaylees instance if her face was unrecognizable, they may have needed a preliminary ID based on jewelry or birthmarks, etc from family). For my friend they told her parents not to mention certain things, though she did to many of us and it never went further. But there were other things they never told her not to say, and she really should not have. We didn't have all the internet back then, but if we had, she'd have been all over it, saying things she maybe should not because no one said "don't ". To me, it was a no brainer not to tell anyone "She was in a pink robe and her hair was wet" because it was something only the killer knew. But no one told her mom not to say that.

Just making a point that people in grief aren't always at the top of their game and may not realize that what they say is a problem if they were told the info and not told to keep it quiet. I don't look at the gag order as a punishment, just LE finally telling people " don't mention what maybe only the killer would know" ecause maybe SG just didn't understand.

I agree that the gag order was not a punishment, I think it was for exactly reasons you state.

I do think that the Goncalves's lawyer should have advised SG that he was making too much information public, and I do believe the prosecution eventually asked/told SG that he could be jeopardising theor case and he needed to stop, but it is possible that they didnt think to expressly tell him at the time the information was shared that he needed to keep it from the media, and therefore the public.

My original post wasnt meant to shame SG, but rather to point out that even though I can imagine how hard it must be to be learning intimate details of what happened to his daughter with the rest of the world, when he should have been informed long ago, but unfortunately his earlier, misguided actions sadly led to the situation he finds himself in now.

 

[Ghostwheel]

just jumping off your post about Murphy.

with Kaylee's door being open during the attacks and Murphy being left in KG's room at bedtime, he has to have gone to Maddie's room first, looking for her as his primary target

I just saw a snippet of Bill Thompson's new interview and he's now saying either MM or KG were the target, that it's impossible to say.

But if he'd gone to KG's room first, surely he'd have closed the door after seeing the dog in there? To keep Murphy in that room. He didn't want to get caught and surely wouldn't want a barking dog waking the whole house, if he could avoid it.

Do we know if the door was open or closed at the time BK came in though?

Apologies, I tend to look at all sides. If BK came up the stairs and had no specific target, saw Kaylees door closed and Maddie's open, he's going to go to the open door. Or he would have gone there if MM was the target. The dog hears something and moves, whimpers or barks, Kaylee wakes up and goes to Maddie's room, leaving her door open and tells Murphy to Stay. "Someone's here". She gets attacked , BK either sees Xana and chases her downstairs or heads downstairs and sees Xana. Kaylee and Maddie are in Maddies room, and Murphy is in Kaylees room with the door open.

One of many possibilities

 

[AngTxGal]

RSBM
I am curious, why do you think the sheath can only have been removed once? There is no reason you might not stab someone, wipe the blade on the covers/sheets, then resheath.

If the above were the case, and either Kaylee woke up or (as I believe) walked into the room, the knife is back in the sheath and the handle can be used as a weapon. Disable Kaylee, un sheath knife (and drop it), attack her, think that's it and leave. Except Xana.

It seems to me the knife might have been unsheathed more than once. So more than one possible scenario. JMO.

If the knife had been removed from the sheath then used, gotten bloody, and wiped on the sheets, then put back in the sheath- there would still be blood inside the sheath.
Wouldn’t evidence show that, since they have the sheath?

If his gloves were bloody, which they would been- and he picked up the sheath to put the knife in it- the sheath would have blood on the outside from the gloves.

I know they took DNA swabs from the sheath- but I’ve not heard of blood samples being taken from the sheath.
Evidence of blood on the sheath could be huge- as the perp may cut themselves and leave their blood in victims blood. So they would look for it.

Blood on the sheath would also give more evidence for order of victims. If Ethan or Xana’s blood is on the sheath- then the order of events is different.

IMO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Not all, some of us were cringing at the amount of detailed information he was putting out there, and hoping he didnt damage the prosecution's case.

I think he over shared details that were shared with the families in confidence, and he wouldn't stop, which ultimately ended up with the cessation of information sharing, and a gag order.

I dont believe for a second he had bad intentions, he was acting from pure grief, I get that, and the media have been taking advantage of him ever since. His lawyer should have been protecting him from himself and them, but I guess if he had done that then he wouldn't have made such a name for himself. I certainly cant name any of the 3 other families lawyers!.

I agree. While I agree that grief is the driver of the rage, SG, as a libertarian, starts with mistrust of institutions. Yesterday I quoted the passage from the Ward/Patterson book about him libertarian (pp.24-5, Kindle version). That explained to me why he wanted to have all the information from the investigation, without regard for what LE and prosecutors have to keep out of the public eye, and the sense he and Alivea had that their own investigation was necessary and important.

 

[jesse]

And now wondering about a mother that could defend Bundy. Did his mother speak to him about death penalty? Sex crimes? Was the mother a follower of true crime? And now we know he spoke with his mother often while waiting for his trial. So much we don't know. What did his sisters really think of him?

She didn't defend Bundy. She literally said that no one could defend his atrocities. Her commentary was on the death penalty, not Bundy.

 

[Miss Poovy]

I've often wondered, why the heck didn't he fasten the sheath to a belt like it is intended to be? what was the purpose of carrying it in hand?

It’s been stated he was wearing a Dickie-type jumpsuit that didn’t have a real waist band.

 

[Megnut]

Or was he unaware Maddie had company? Was he there to ra pe, then kill? If so he probably came with a stun gun, maybe rope. I don't think his intent was to kill multiple people.

Based on the limited search words that have been released, the felon didn't seem to want a conscious victim for any SA. Dead, alive, somewhere between -- powerless to fight back, powerless to judge his inadequacies. One way to make sure no woman laughs him out of the room. Or locks him out. Or pretends to vomit.

FWIW I think this was a sexually motivated crime (women in bed asleep) but I can't say how he defines it. SA, paraphilia, knife/substitute. His plan went immediately sideways so we'll never know what the scene in his head would have looked like.

One victim, murdered silently, SA. Would have been a very different crime scene.

JMO