GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[zachs mema]

Maybe I’m just mean, but I fail to appreciate whatever expertise she allegedly has.

If she’s an expert on noticing the signs of a predator but she didn’t recognize it in BK, then of what value is she beyond the classroom lecture hall?

We ALL could recognize his pathology post-murder. She would have been of enormous value if she’d figured him out PRIOR to the murders.

She thought she was focusing on a diamond, but he was just cubic zirconia. She apparently couldn’t distinguish between the two any more than we could.

IMO of course, but I think her expertise is in authoring books, making money and gaining some fame out of these gruesome tragedies.

Having taught BK is a bonanza for her, I fear.

JMO

This is what gets to me. He isn't handsome or charming. Bundy pulled that off pretty well. He had Ann Rule snowed. He seems to have zero personality, no friends, not good looking or a fun person to be around. She really wants to write a book. Title Snowing the snowman?

 

[Cool Cats]

Convicted Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger moved to solitary confinement, KTVB reports

Bryan Kohberger, who pleaded guilty to the 2022 murders of four University of Idaho students, has been moved to solitary confinement, CNN affiliate KTVB reported.

www.yahoo.com

2 days ago an Idaho Department of Corrections (IDOC) spokesperson told CNN affiliate KTVB that Kohberger
was placed in solitary confinement several days after being sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Kohberger has been transferred to long-term restrictive housing in J Block at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution. This is Idaho's only maximum-security prison for men and houses the most dangerous/disrupting inmates, including those on death row. Chad Daybell is actually sitting on death row in this prison.

Inmates in long-term restrictive housing are held in single-person cells, moved in restraints, allowed one hour of outdoor recreation daily and permitted to shower every other day, IDOC told KTVB.

“Long term restrictive housing is not a disciplinary sanction, it is a housing assignment designed to manage specific behaviors.”

 

[ForensicPatterns]

This murderer wasn't smart enough to pull off his own brutal crime (more red flags than a NASCAR race) so I'm not sure I'd be looking to him for any CJ genius advice.

JMO

It was a joke, cause look at what I responded to when I said that LOL

 

[ForensicPatterns]

Accoring to the article linked below, the convicted murderer in ID transferred in "as an undergraduate student who was majoring in psychology with a focus on forensics, which made Ramsland his adviser."

Bryan Kohberger's Former Professor Wonders If She 'Inspired' Him To Commit Idaho Murders

“I’m disappointed, angry, and … I’m very shocked that this is how it turned out,” Dr. Katherine Ramsland said of her former criminology student.

www.huffpost.com

This was in 2018, which was prior to the pandemic, so it’s likely she did meet him in person at some point, being his adviser & professor. I feel he probably wasn’t off the rails at that point so KR likely wouldn’t have seen any signs. It seems to me his tipping point came after he left PA - some things were likely sprouting already but the gist of it came to a head after he went out west.

MOO

Yeah, something tells me based on how he was in high school already set this up. I do wonder if anything from his childhood pointed to signs. Dennis Radar and Ed Kemper, had fascination with death by the time both were 7yrs old, Kemper it was 4yrs old. Anyway, I'm wondering if he was interested in death at an early age or was really into something like pyro/arson stuff. This feels like him masking, which psychopaths can up hold for decades with never getting exhausted, the fake version we see them present. So I'm wondering if there was anything as a pre-curser, because no one just murders that many people as a budding serial murder without some kind of murder years earlier or some interest in death/murder since childhood.

 

[cottonweaver]

My thing is this, he is faking his Autism, why? He was diagnosed while in custody after having been caught for the murders. After lockdown, the spike in Autism and ADHD content online, to Reddit and TikTok especially, it wouldn't surprise me if he RESEARCHED traits, how many things you need to check off to get a legal diagnosis, and what it actually looks like. The guy was found to have a friggin' final exam paper on crime scene forensics, like come on, he was thinking ahead, using it as a way to avoid the death penalty when getting caught, similar to like when John Wayne Gacy tried to get an insanity plea and use it to get out from going to prison and then they later found out he was faking it all and just manipulating the court during his trial.

If he had been diagnosed long before this all happened, then yes, I would easily believe he was (I have a non-verbal cousin with Autism whose the same age as Brian!), but because of the TIMING of it and the fact he was evaluated while waiting for a trial, I'm telling you he is faking it as a way for people to have sympathy for him, all an act of manipulation so people would take his side and demand him to be set free or to go lighter on him.

As what a psychology published in an article on Psychopaths being criminals:

"The 2012 FBI report states that the unique ability of psychopathic criminals to manipulate law enforcement authorities poses legitimate challenges for the criminal justice system. During interrogations, psychopaths are not sensitive to altruistic interview themes such as sympathy for their victims or remorse for their criminal acts.

As a result of their arrogance and illusions of invulnerability, they are more likely than non-psychopaths to deny charges brought against them by authorities. According to the FBI, there is also evidence that psychopaths are able to influence the system to either receive reduced sentences or appeal their sentences to a higher court.

This is likely due to the fact that psychopaths are extremely meticulous, compulsive and relentless by nature which helps them to coerce criminal justice practitioners. Moreover, psychopaths are very adept at imitating emotions such as remorse or guilt in the courtroom if they believe it will mitigate their punishment."

re the bolded points
He was diagnosed as on the ASD while he was a school kid, many years before the covid pandemic

He was re-evaluated again after his arrest and Prosecution accepted that diagnosis. The Defense used it to try to have the DP removed and failed.

Bryan Kohberger’s ‘piercing stare’ and emotionless face explained to jurors as autism, OCD – not a sign he’s a killer: defense

Kohberger, 28, raised the defense à la Gen Z in a filing earlier this month — with defense attorney Elisa Massoth saying that the Ph.D. criminology student should be allowed to call expert witnesse…

nypost.com

 

[Cool Cats]

Newly released photo shows Bryan Kohberger moments after his arrest

A newly released photo shows Bryan Kohberger moments after his arrest.

www.kxly.com

Saw hair color discussion and now I see why some posters were saying that BK's hair is dark blonde or light brown. Probably from the lighting because his hair looks dark brown in his mugshot that was taken a short time later after his Pennsylvania arrest.

Photo #1 BK being arrested in Pennsylvania


Photo #2 BK's Pennsylvania mugshot


Photo #3 BK's Moscow Idaho mugshot

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger seen in new mugshot after arriving in Moscow wearing protective helmet

The 28-year-old criminology PhD student landed at Pullman-Moscow Regional Airport on Wednesday evening

www.yahoo.com

28-year-old Bryan Kohberger arrested in Pennsylvania in connection to University of Idaho murders

Kohberger was arrested Friday in Pennsylvania on felony charges relating to the murder of four University of Idaho students in November.

www.wfaa.com

 

[INfisherman]

re the bolded points
He was diagnosed as on the ASD while he was a school kid, many years before the covid pandemic

He was re-evaluated again after his arrest and Prosecution accepted that diagnosis. The Defense used it to try to have the DP removed and failed.

Bryan Kohberger’s ‘piercing stare’ and emotionless face explained to jurors as autism, OCD – not a sign he’s a killer: defense

Kohberger, 28, raised the defense à la Gen Z in a filing earlier this month — with defense attorney Elisa Massoth saying that the Ph.D. criminology student should be allowed to call expert witnesse…

nypost.com

I thought that was the case.

I read through some JH’s response to the defense’s motion late last night. JH felt regardless of the convict’s diagnosis, the defense was claiming in their motion that he was intellectually disabled & referenced an older case which used an older term which is usually found offensive today (mentally retarded - apologies, not meant to describe anyone, just using the words as referenced in the older case). Anyway, one of JH’s footnote in his order (my paraphrase) stated that the convict may be diagnosed with ASD level 1 but he didn’t fit the intellectually disabled definition because his IQ was over 115 (whatever the actual number) & he’d been highly educated which was the opposite of intellectually disabled by definition. I’m not so sure AT even deserves credit for trying - that, to me, was an extreme reach.

JMO

 

[meatandcookies]

Inmates in long-term restrictive housing are held in single-person cells, moved in restraints, allowed one hour of outdoor recreation daily and permitted to shower every other day, IDOC told KTVB.

I cannot express how much I love this for him.

 

[Tragg]

Kohberger's professor could not see what students could see when Kohberger was their TA. That's where there is a problem. They knew there was something wrong with him, as did women he met socailly.

We've all met people who are ever so nice to people who are their superior, and rude/condescending towards those who are subordinate. That is quite likely how Kohberger relates to others. He figures out where others are in his pecking order, and treats them based on how much value he perceives they have to him. He charmed his professor, and he offended his students; especially women.

Given his professor's expertise in personality disorders, she should have been aware of that personality defect - the one where he charmed her, but was abusive towards those he deemed inferior. Layman's opinion, but that type of personality comes through in humour as well as other day to day remarks. An expert in the criminal mind should have noticed some of the obvious personality flaws and questioned that in context.

Professor Ramsland was not assessing Kohberger as a patient or the subject of a forensic study, so expectations that she should have been aware of his potential for future dangerousness are poorly informed IMO. I have linked below an essay on the ethical and practical challenges of evaluating future dangerousness to the degree that is necessary to provide treatment or impose involuntary interventions or consequences. Here's an excerpt (BBM):

"Research, in fact, confirms the error in associating dangerousness with mental illness, showing that “the vast majority of people who are violent do not suffer from mental illnesses. The absolute risk of violence among the mentally ill as a group is still very small and only a small proportion of the violence in our society can be attributed to persons who are mentally ill. Violence is not a diagnosis nor is it a disease. Potential to do harm is not a symptom or a sign of mental illness, rather it must be the central consideration when assessing future dangerousness.

In reality, no one can predict future dangerousness precisely and with absolute certainty. Assessments of future dangerousness therefore may be more accurately described as the identification of factors associated with potential dangerous behavior by a given individual. In making such an assessment, the clinician should be able to articulate measures necessary to a management plan that minimizes the identified future risks. Hospital emergency rooms, outpatient departments, general psychiatric in-patient wards and day hospitals all demand their own particular clinical justifications.
...

I believe there can be no substitution for a competent and reliable comprehensive clinical psychiatric risk assessment that is rooted in evidence-based practice standards for medical evaluation and that considers all relevant clinical and historical information including data from standardized risk assessment tools. Anything less would not be worth the risk."

Predicting the Risk of Future Dangerousness

Prison studies have indicated that expert predictions of future dangerousness are wrong too often for the current assessment tools to be considered reliable.

Dr. Ramsland's role and responsibility as a teacher and academic advisor did not put her in a position to make the kind of comprehensive assessment necessary to predict Kohberger's future violent conduct. MOO

 

[Gemmie]

Newly released photo shows Bryan Kohberger moments after his arrest

A newly released photo shows Bryan Kohberger moments after his arrest.

www.kxly.com

Saw hair color discussion and now I see why some posters were saying that BK's hair is dark blonde or light brown. Probably from the lighting because his hair looks dark brown in his mugshot that was taken a short time later after this arrest happened in Pennsylvania.

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My question about his lighter hair color is... did he often dye or lighten his hair or is this the first time? IMO it's likely his first time and he did it to change his appearance. As you can see... even his Brybrows are lighter. Why? So they don't stand out so much and look bushy. JMO!

 

[cottonweaver]

I thought that was the case.

I read through some JH’s response to the defense’s motion late last night. JH felt regardless of the convict’s diagnosis, the defense was claiming in their motion that he was intellectually disabled & referenced an older case which used an older term which is usually found offensive today (mentally retarded - apologies, not meant to describe anyone, just using the words as referenced in the older case). Anyway, one of JH’s footnote in his order (my paraphrase) stated that the convict may be diagnosed with ASD level 1 but he didn’t fit the intellectually disabled definition because his IQ was over 115 (whatever the actual number) & he’d been highly educated which was the opposite of intellectually disabled by definition. I’m not so sure AT even deserves credit for trying - that, to me, was an extreme reach.

JMO

Agreed. Lots of her descriptions in her motion didn't feel accurate to me

for example:

'Mr. Kohberger suffers from executive function deficiencies such as disorganization and inability to plan ahead.'

also not sure about these two:

' poor working memory'

' He lacks the skills to function in the real world of daily living, self-care, socialization, and communication'
When you look at all of the traffic stops, back to back, he's groomed, articulate and chatty. Also manipulative.
all the stops -

here's the link an case anybody wants it https://coi.isc.idaho.gov/docs/CR01...Death-Penalty-RE-Autism-Spectrum-Disorder.pdf

 

[Sillybilly]

Hey folks,

If you wish to discuss psychopathy, etc, please provide links to scholarly sources to back up what you state as fact.

I don't think that we have any verified mental health experts in the discussion, so please move on from the diagnosing of BK unless you've sat down with him and had a chat

ETA: BTW ... enough of the name calling. It's against TOS.

Thank you.

 

[Dotta]

My question about his lighter hair color is... did he often dye or lighten his hair or is this the first time? IMO it's likely his first time and he did it to change his appearance. As you can see... even his Brybrows are lighter. Why? So they don't stand out so much and look bushy. JMO!

I don't think the hair is lightened by BK.
It seems to be harsh/bright light over him making hair looking this way.

He has brown hair.
Such hair seems darker or lighter depending on light.

Also,
hair cosmetics (gel) make hair seemingly darker.
And freshly washed hair seems to look lighter.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

My question about his lighter hair color is... did he often dye or lighten his hair or is this the first time? IMO it's likely his first time and he did it to change his appearance. As you can see... even his Brybrows are lighter. Why? So they don't stand out so much and look bushy. JMO!

Or could be the lighting causing his hair to look lighter.

I edited my post and posted his mugshot from later that night (early morning) and it shows dark brown hair. I also posted his Moscow jail mugshot and he has dark brown hair.

For some reason, yes, his hair looks like he dyed it lighter in the first photo but not in the other photos.

A bit odd ... 2 Cents

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1951734695827513491

 

[cottonweaver]

Re his arrest photo inside his parents' home, Angenette Levy said that as well as ground-based surveillance, LE had a PA plane over the house and a drone. With that they could see him operating his car key fob at night unlocking his car and then going back and forth to his garage ( presumably to clean his car)
When he'd go to the slider door at the back they were concerned he had heard their aerial surveillance.

I just wonder if he wasn't that surprised that LE had him in their sights even though the dawn raid itself was shocking?
Could that be another reason to explain why he was cool, calm and collected at interview? He'd been expecting them ?

 

[Dotta]

For some reason, yes, his hair looks like he dyed it lighter in the first photo but not in the other photos.

A bit odd ... 2 Cents

Nothing is odd IMO

He has freshly washed hair
and it is curly.
Curls always look lighter under bright/harsh light.
Because light penetrates the hair shaft creating the illusion of lighter colour.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Nothing is odd IMO

He has freshly washed hair
and it is curly.
Curls always look lighter under bright/harsh light.
Because light penetrates the hair shaft creating the illusion of lighter colour.

JMO

That would explain it.

 

[QB2022]

Im glad he's in restrictive housing. I hope he never gets a transfer to PA. That would be a kick in the teeth to the families.

 

[Megnut]

21 minutes long

He talks about the nighttime events at 1122 King Road leading up to 4 am

The contrast breaks my heart every time. What the felon was planning and then carried out vs these innocent college kids colleging.