GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[MeadowMuffin]

Is this a basement?
It looks like a ground floor.
Basements have little windows near the ceiling.
But, as I live far away
maybe the notion of basements differ between the US & my country.

JMO

They are called Walk-out basement windows I think, or egress windows. In the US, at least where I've lived, if you want a home to have a "bedroom" it has to have an egress window, in case of fire for example. Which makes sense when they wrote the inmate ran to a lower level where he was met with detectives. They must have entered through one of these.

 

[SteveP]

They are called Walk-out basement windows I think, or egress windows. In the US, at least where I've lived, if you want a home to have a "bedroom" it has to have an egress window, in case of fire for example. Which makes sense when they wrote the inmate ran to a lower level where he was met with detectives. They must have entered through one of these.

They entered through multiple doors, including the basement slider, according to the defense, which sounds like SOP to me, and the prudent thing to do. I truly hate it for his parents, but even though almost surely unknowingly, they were harboring an extremely dangerous felon.

His lawyers claim that during the raid, law enforcement broke the front door of the home, shattered the sliding glass door of the basement

Bryan Kohberger's defense reveals alleged details from night of arrest at parent's Pennsylvania home

New court filings from Brian Kohberger's defense team depict a chaotic night when the former Ph.D. student was arrested at his parents' home in the Pennsylvania Poconos.

abc7.com

 

[Gemmie]

Is this a basement?
It looks like a ground floor.
Basements have little windows near the ceiling.
But, as I live far away
maybe the notion of basements differ between the US & my country.

JMO

That got answered in the post above yours:

The basement is really the first floor (“lower level”) of the family home, which includes a two-car garage. According to a realtor listing, the lower level has been finished to include a huge den, a fourth bedroom, and a third bathroom.

 

[gremlin444]

'We did what needed to be done': Prosecutors had to buckle down and drown out public noise to put Moscow killer behind bars for life

MOSCOW, Idaho – He won’t say his name out loud.

www.spokesman.com

When Bill Thompson got the call about the murders on Sunday, "Thompson, who plays guitar in several local bands, was in Spokane playing at a folk music festival."

"[Ashley] Jennings’ daughter was 9 years old when the case began. Even then, Jennings said, her daughter understood the gravity of her job. She acknowledged there are parts of her daughter’s life she missed out on in the last three years, and other parts of her family’s lives, too.

“I don’t think I made it to a Thanksgiving during the time, because there was just always something that came up,” Jennings said. “But they know when you take this job, you have a duty. It’s important.”

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I doubt he feels much by way of fear.

I studied he didn't like having blood on his face.

The felon is only about himself.

JMO

@Megnut — interesting comment about xxx214 not liking blood on his face. Dylan didn’t say anything about blood on his face.

I imagine you are right he wouldn’t have liked blood on his face but how did he clean up so quickly — I feel if there was something dark like blood on his face Dylan might have noticed that.

Something to ponder and of course the answer may be coming when we get more docs. Maybe there was something like a plastic COVID face shield or a terry face towel they found covered in blood and shed as he left. OMO.

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Agree. I think he was only focused on getting out of there.

I watched a pretty good simulation of his attacks on GH. I don’t think he saw the surviving roommate, even though he appeared to look in her direction.

It was very dark inside the house and the doorway to exit through the kitchen to the slider wasn’t far from the roommate’s bedroom door. JMO, he was focused on getting out of there ASAP.

Why do you think it was “very dark inside”? My guess is that being a group house and Xana having been recently in and out of the kitchen, there were some lights on, if nothing else, those fairy lights I think I remember hanging around (popular with young people). MOO.

 

[Gemmie]

@Megnut — interesting comment about xxx214 not liking blood on his face. Dylan didn’t say anything about blood on his face.

I imagine you are right he wouldn’t have liked blood on his face but how did he clean up so quickly — I feel if there was something dark like blood on his face Dylan might have noticed that.

Something to ponder and of course the answer may be coming when we get more docs. Maybe there was something like a plastic COVID face shield or a terry face towel they found covered in blood and shed as he left. OMO.

Keep in mind he was wearing a balaclava so not much of his face was visible.

Redirect Notice

 

[LetsSolvIt]

I wonder which steps? Was he running from them?

When I was reading the police report posted on WS and also listening to a discussion on the arrest report, they definitely said he ran, trying to evade LE. I wish I had the doc number, but in the discussion on this, they didn’t know if he might be running for a weapon, running to leave the house, running for a room he could lock, etc. They just knew they had to grab him quickly. MOO.

As I recall PA house appeared to be a split foyer and sometimes bedrooms are downstairs in those models.

I didn’t download the docs Heard folks like Brian Eiten, Gray Hughes, Josh Ritter, or Joel Waldman going over the report and discussing the “run.”

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Interesting that LE came up with that. I too have thought this from the get go, thinking it was MM and that he'd park behind their house and watch her through her bedroom window. I think Kaylee being in bed with her was NOT part of The Plan and he snapped.

With both hands?? Why? Whatever could he be carrying that would need to be held with both hands? I can't imagine it was due to the weight, but were 2 hands required to operate whatever it was? That's just so odd to me.

In his Body Bags podcast specifically about Maddie and Kaylee, Joseph Scott Morgan talks about how all the injuries could have been from one weapon — the KaBar. He goes into great detail. KaBars are designed so the handle can function as a hammer, the grooving in handle could have left the horizontal marks on her face that have been mentioned — very versatile weapons for Marine hand-to-hand combat but also designed as tools.

\/ \/ TRIGGER WARNING: VERY GRAPHIC \/ \/

EXPLOSIVE PROOF! Maddie and Kaylee Fought Back Against Cowardly Attacker

Podcast Episode · Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan · 07/30/2025 · 57m

podcasts.apple.com

 

[LetsSolvIt]

Interesting that LE came up with that. I too have thought this from the get go, thinking it was MM and that he'd park behind their house and watch her through her bedroom window. I think Kaylee being in bed with her was NOT part of The Plan and he snapped.

With both hands?? Why? Whatever could he be carrying that would need to be held with both hands? I can't imagine it was due to the weight, but were 2 hands required to operate whatever it was? That's just so odd to me.

Not to be vulgar, but how low were his hands? Was he cupping himself! (I mean he might have been aroused by all the activity.)

 

[Chloegirl]

I am speculating that we are misunderstanding about the flash and bang noise BF thought was a firecracker. Maybe he took a photo? Old school Polaroid camera? Could that have been what he was carrying? JMOO

If you watch the video it makes a weird noise and flash.

https://a.co/d/bsqMzNP

Crime scene documentation?! This reminds me of that weird saying, think horses not zebras.

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You have to look at the bag on the third photo to get a sense of the angle of it.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Is this a basement?
It looks like a ground floor.
Basements have little windows near the ceiling.
But, as I live far away
maybe the notion of basements differs between the US & my country.

JMO

Many houses in Pennsylvania have basements. Some home are built on sloping lots and thus have a main level entry on the street level, and a lower level that has a door to the back yard. The lower level is usually livable space, with "game rooms," a bath, and sometimes a bedroom or garage.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I got the impression he was running to his bedroom? Maybe in the basement?

My speculation only

He ran down to the basement, where his bedroom is. IMO until I find my link.

When I was reading the police report posted on WS and also listening to a discussion on the arrest report, they definitely said he ran, trying to evade LE. I wish I had the doc number, but in the discussion on this, they didn’t know if he might be running for a weapon, running to leave the house, running for a room he could lock, etc. They just knew they had to grab him quickly. MOO.

As I recall PA house appeared to be a split foyer and sometimes bedrooms are downstairs in those models.

I didn’t download the docs Heard folks like Brian Eiten, Gray Hughes, Josh Ritter, or Joel Waldman going over the report and discussing the “run.”

According to the Spokesman-Review article, ‘We did what needed to be done’: Prosecutors had to buckle down and drown out public noise to put Moscow killer behind bars for life:

Police intercepted Kohberger racing down the stairs, [Moscow Police Chief] Dahlinger said.

According to the Order Defendants Motions Suppress Arrest Warrants Apartment:



So:

1. LE spotted the murderer in the kitchen
2. LE breached the house
3. The murderer raced down the stairs
4. LE intercepted the murderer
5. LE arrested the murderer in a bedroom
6. While awaiting transport, the murderer told LE he had an unloaded Glock by his bed.

So police intercepted the murderer as he ran down the stairs, and arrested him in a bedroom. Was he running to his bedroom? And if so, what had he planned to do with the gun?

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Source

Gosh, It’s nice to finally see these two smile. Well done, Ashley and Bill.

 

[katydid23]

Touch dna is still DNA but could easily try to be explained away because it was touch.

It was touch DNA. But it was 'single source, male DNA, 100% certainly HIS alone.'
Because it was single source, no one else's present alongside his, it's much less likely that someone else touched him and then deposited that touch DNA.

It seems much more a 'reasonable' explanation that he was the one that touched that snap on the sheath. Especially when you add in other key circumstantial evidence.

I’ve read through almost all of the doc dump and they really just didn’t have a lot. Some but not a lot. JMO

His DNA alone would not be as incriminating, if not for the corroborating circumstances.

If his DNA was found at the crime scene, but he had an alibi, then it could be dismissed.

But his 'alibi' was that he was out driving around alone all night, with his phone powered down, and no reason to be out and about.

And on top of that, a car looking just like his, with no front plate, just like his, was seen circling the crime scene several times, and speeding away right after Dylan saw someone fitting his description, leaving the house.

And his Amazon account showed a KBar and sheath was ordered by him. And there were receipts found in his apt. for a balaclava, like the one Dylan described, being worn by the intruder.

So all of the above greatly strengthens the importance of his touch DNA left on the bed underneath the stabbing victims. IMO

Also, knowing that he had his Masters in criminology, and reading some of his papers, about non-decontamination of crime scenes and the steps needed to avoid leaving DNA behind, is also revealing. imo

 

[cottonweaver]

In the Gray Hughes video I recently posted, Hughes asserts that the murderer spent about 1 minute and 45 seconds at his car doing blood spatter mitigation. Of course, this seems like very little time and caused many of us to wonder how LE could find no blood or other evidence from the crime scene in the murderer’s car.

However, as I imagine we all know, the murderer wrote this paper as a final for a course during his last semester as an undergraduate at DeSales: Crime-scene Scenario Final.

Here is what he writes at the top of page 3:
View attachment 605946

I think the murderer practiced removing his kill suit and gloves until he could do so quickly and effectively—depositing, as Hughes suggests, all items in one or more plastic bags. In addition, he may have covered his car seat and trunk in plastic as well, as many speculated here (shower curtain, anyone?).

More importantly, though, I think that after he disposed of his kill kit and showered and shampooed obsessively, he then treated his car and his apartment as he would any crime scene, using a blue light and yellow glasses to detect “small trace evidence” like blood that would otherwise be missed. He could then remove any such evidence before he was arrested in late December.

This is the problem when someone trained in LE techniques is the perpetrator of a crime. Unfortunately for the murderer, though, and lucky for us, one over-inflated ego is no match for the tireless teamwork of LE and prosecutors, who were able to bring him to justice anyway.

IMO

Following on from your speculation which doesn't seem far fetched to me, even though the gadget was not found at the home 6 weeks later,

what do people think?

- he bought a blue light kit in advance ( After all, he'd bought the knife in advance. March 2022 while at De Sales) or
- he ' took' one from De Sales ( DS had a ' Murder House' and students typically used them there)
( either way LE found no purchase records and am speculating on the basis that it was used during the initial clean-ups in WA and then buried/dumped before he drove home to PA. He has a history of thieving even though he had no adult crim record. )



One of many versions, lots of options at various websites
This is just as an example of cheapest version, am not suggesting that he bought it

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[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

According to the Spokesman-Review article, ‘We did what needed to be done’: Prosecutors had to buckle down and drown out public noise to put Moscow killer behind bars for life:



According to the Order Defendants Motions Suppress Arrest Warrants Apartment:

View attachment 605984

So:

1. LE spotted the murderer in the kitchen
2. LE breached the house
3. The murderer raced down the stairs
4. LE intercepted the murderer
5. LE arrested the murderer in a bedroom
6. While awaiting transport, the murderer told LE he had an unloaded Glock by his bed.

So police intercepted the murderer as he ran down the stairs, and arrested him in a bedroom. Was he running to his bedroom? And if so, what had he planned to do with the gun?

It's hard for me to picture that 'Defendant' wouldn't keep the thing loaded if he was going to have a Glock 22 handgun beside his bed.

 

[Boxer]

In the Gray Hughes video I recently posted, Hughes asserts that the murderer spent about 1 minute and 45 seconds at his car doing blood spatter mitigation. Of course, this seems like very little time and caused many of us to wonder how LE could find no blood or other evidence from the crime scene in the murderer’s car.

However, as I imagine we all know, the murderer wrote this paper as a final for a course during his last semester as an undergraduate at DeSales: Crime-scene Scenario Final.

Here is what he writes at the top of page 3:
View attachment 605946

I think the murderer practiced removing his kill suit and gloves until he could do so quickly and effectively—depositing, as Hughes suggests, all items in one or more plastic bags. In addition, he may have covered his car seat and trunk in plastic as well, as many speculated here (shower curtain, anyone?).

More importantly, though, I think that after he disposed of his kill kit and showered and shampooed obsessively, he then treated his car and his apartment as he would any crime scene, using a blue light and yellow glasses to detect “small trace evidence” like blood that would otherwise be missed. He could then remove any such evidence before he was arrested in late December.

This is the problem when someone trained in LE techniques is the perpetrator of a crime. Unfortunately for the murderer, though, and lucky for us, one over-inflated ego is no match for the tireless teamwork of LE and prosecutors, who were able to bring him to justice anyway.

IMO

Here is the thing. Every day people who work in hospitals mitigate transfer before and after work. Coverall drop into a hefty clean - including the slip on Vans, into clean vans or other next to the bag wipe exposed skin - wipes in bag, tie off first bag second wipe down into some short and a T. Toss all
In the second clean bag tie off, maybe toss in third clean bag - sit on a bag to depart.
Then obsessively clean every groove in your car for 6 weeks.
Looks like he got rid of the gear shift knob anyway.

 

[Dotta]

Many houses in Pennsylvania have basements. Some home are built on sloping lots and thus have a main level entry on the street level, and a lower level that has a door to the back yard. The lower level is usually livable space, with "game rooms," a bath, and sometimes a bedroom or garage.

Thanks!
Sorry to drag this topic hahaha
But it shows the cultural and language differences
Where I live a basement is literally a cellar,
it is underground/a room below ground level in a house.
It is a storage place, housewives can keep pasteurized food in jars and bottles of wine there hehe.
There are only small windows close to ceiling for ventilation and a bit of light.
So when you look up you can see feet/legs of a passer-by.
Imagine living there hehe
Like in horror films,
banished to the basement....ummm...cellar!!
Jeez!!!

 

[girlhasnoname]

Re his arrest photo inside his parents' home, Angenette Levy said that as well as ground-based surveillance, LE had a PA plane over the house and a drone. With that they could see him operating his car key fob at night unlocking his car and then going back and forth to his garage ( presumably to clean his car)
When he'd go to the slider door at the back they were concerned he had heard their aerial surveillance.

I just wonder if he wasn't that surprised that LE had him in their sights even though the dawn raid itself was shocking?
Could that be another reason to explain why he was cool, calm and collected at interview? He'd been expecting them ?

I think that's a very, very distinct possibility. JMO