GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Luna20]

I forgot about that picture on JK's site (please tell me you guys all go there a lot too for the pictures....otherwise, if he ever looks at the logs for his website, I'm going to stick out like a sore thumb!). That give a much better reference for the relative size of that opening. So, if he was wearing the coveralls like we thought AND the coveralls were snug fitting, he could get through without blood there. If it was oversized on him and blousing out significantly, the risk would be higher.

Someone else mentioned the door might have been open wider when BK exited and he pulled it partially shut--but why would he bother? He left it open....it really didn't benefit him much to pull it a few more inches closed vs pull it all the way shut behind him. And touching that handle now runs the risk of either leaving blood on it from his gloves or fingerprints if he take off the gloves (unless he doubled gloved, etc). I don't see where he gains anything from pulling it just partially shut behind him.

Alas, the red tape is what they used to seal the door when they police all left the inside of the house on the 13th...per, Officer Morris' report on Document 6:

"I stood at the rear of the residence for scene security. I assisted Sgt. Blaker in putting evidence tape on the sliding glass door on the south side of the residence. The tape was to ensure no persons tried to access the scene overnight."

Once police starting coming in and out on the 14th, that evidence tape was broken and not replaced. The two pieces we see on the exterior part of the frame line up with the ones on the outside of the sliding part of the door. The piece of tape we see to the far left of the picture on the interior side (all the pieces of interior tape show up as those thin white lines on the windows because we are seeing the adhesive side) of the slid door matches up with another small piece that is harder to see (easier on JK's site) on the interior side on the "stationary" door--sealing the two doors together on the inside when the doors are closed. The piece in the middle of the blue spray on the inner frame lines up with the piece of tape you can see on right hand edge on the interior side of the sliding door--to seal that side of the door to the frame when they were shut.

One thing that makes me feel more like that door was not able to latch property--the fact that we have multiple pictures that showed that LE turned one of those kitchen stools sideways and wedged it inside between the left frame and the sliding door (earliest photo I can find off the top of my head is James Kevieon again from Nov 18...I think there are others and perhaps earlier days than that, but I haven't been able to go on a massive search yet):

https://jameskeivom.com/Idaho-Murders/207/caption

I mean, yes, they could be using it as just another layer of security once the evidence tape has already been broken...but combined with the fact that the door was found open with the latch in the locked position makes me wonder....


I've only lived in one place that had a sliding glass door--in a St. Louis near suburb in a rented 2 story duplex. It went from the kitchen into a tiny fenced off concrete patio that was at ground level. And that fence had a gate in it so you could walk out to the trash cans back there on this weird little road that was pretty much only used by the trash collector. My husband travelled frequently for work, and I tended to spend my evenings in the finished basement because our computers and my exercise equipment was down there.

The first thing I did when we moved in was have us buy the thickest dowel that would fit and cut it to size so that it could be wedged in so firmly you couldn't budge the door even 1/4 of an inch even if it was unlocked. And put a padlock on the inner side of that gate to the trash alley. Luckily the sliding door had vertical blinds, and I kept those closed fully almost all the time (it's not like it gave us a view of anything). I hated that door with a passion. Unfortunately there really weren't any good door/window alarms or anything available (or at least that I knew of) to us as renters at that time back in the dark ages of the late 90s.

Maybe he didn’t want the door ajar because it was less likely to stand out?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

isn't the dad almost 70? Both retired?

Anyway, notice only one 'Sister' is referenced in these comms.
Contacts list ' Mother' ' Father' ' Sister'
( Amanda is the one who attended his sentencing. Melissa is the one who used to work /works in mental health/ therapist)

Good point on which sister is referenced.

Makes me wonder also about his family relationships before & after he killed Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan.

Not that it matters much in terms of clarity as to motive or backstory, and not wanting to delve into their personal relationships much, hindsight not being 20 20, etc., and not wanting to infringe on their privacy, just looking at the facts...

In this context, IIRC, one of his sisters said:

He was using & then stole her cellphone when he was in high school (?) without her permission (links upthread, and in Media Thread, and MSM), and somehow it was a significant enough event that presumably wasn't able to be worked out amongst their family, and charges were filed/LE was involved.

They were suspicious of him being involved in their murders and went so far as searching his car when he was back home for the holidays in PA before his arrest.

... and maybe other things that helped LE and/or led to his arrest ...

Such a travesty for all involved in his life, there are so many victims, so much bloodshed and heartache, people who didn't know him and knew him alike.

JMO, it's so sad, so awful to contemplate.

 

[Warwick7]

Kevin Fixler
LE know who Papa Roger's was.

 

[Chloegirl]

Kevin Fixler
LE know who Papa Roger's was.

I figured out early on Kevin Fixler is just Fantastic!!

 

[Boxer]

Yep.
Sure, he is a deranged criminal
but...
that does NOT exactly mean
we can pin ALL attacks happening in the area on him, right?

Of course right.

JMhumbleO

Criminals usually commit a lot crimes. Its a mindset. The police try to find all the crimes committed by that one criminal.

 

[Dotta]

Criminals usually commit a lot crimes. Its a mindset. The police try to find all the crimes committed by that one criminal.

Of course.
But...
In this case Police excluded him as a perp.
Or am I mistaken?

 

[Inthedetails]

Kevin Fixler
LE know who Papa Roger's was.

The video is over an hour-and-a-half. Any short summary or time stamp?

jmo

 

[Megnut]

Did Bryan Kohberger Win Over Kaylee Goncalves’ Dog Before Idaho Murders — Letting Him Slip into House Undetected?

This new information comes from two friends of Kaylee Goncalves who spoke with police in interviews that were just unsealed by the Moscow Police Department.

people.com

This is interesting. I wonder if it actually occurred?!

Yikes. KG said someone was up behind the house staring at her. Staring. Who does that sound like?

The felon wasn't just stalking. He was interacting. Watching, but maybe messing with locks, messing with Murphy.

I wonder if the vegan purchased any MEAT in the days and weeks before 11/13.

I wonder if he kept Murphy quiet for eight minutes with a nice, juicy piece of steak.

Those events prior to 11/13 go a long way toward explaining why Murphy wasn't slaughtered too. Woman hater has a soft spot for dogs. Didn't want to kill the dog...so maybe he did find a work around, in order to be able to enter a home with a dog...

Article says someone took Murphy from the home (slider found open,
Murphy missing). Possible. Maybe a test to see how long a steak would occupy Murphy. Or maybe the felon was inside 1122 exploring, taking or rearranging things, or putting them back after an earlier visit, and Murphy escaped and/or chased the felon out.

AT is probably right, there was no 'stalking'. It was  way worse than that. He started his murder long before 11/13. Methodical.

Terrifying.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

So... is it true that KG had only just moved back home? 11/04 event with Murphy in the yard so she was at 1122 then. The felon might not have known she left at all or that her being there 11/13 was a change up.

Maybe the felon expected KG to be there. In her own room. We don't truly know that he hadn't been in the house, inhabited, prior. Maybe he broke in a watched them sleep. Maybe he intended to murder them both, one at a time each in her room. Maybe he intended always to leave Murphy alone, knew he could mitigate that risk with meat.

He invested a lot of time in that house in the months ahead of 11/13. 23x between 10pm and 4am. How many more times without his phone? Neighborhood cameras long overwritten.

Sick, sickm sick, he was courting murder.

JMO

 

[Boxer]

Of course.
But...
In this case Police excluded him as a perp.
Or am I mistaken?

They did.
MOO Just every similar crime is going to be looked at, leaving an investigation trail which fuels speculation especially to fill the SM space. Real trials with their strict legal rules are more important than ever.

 

[Stratocaster]

JMO

I really don't see the bushy eyebrowed fellow lasting more than two years within incarceration....SG will see vigilante justice in the name of his daughter

 

[AngTxGal]

Nancy Grace- Inmates harassing BK, DP fed level, alternate suspect defense

Has anyone heard the discussion that because BK had fled across state lines he could be prosecuted in Federal court and get the Death Penalty?

Nancy Grace is a former prosecuting attorney- she knows her stuff.
Very interesting discussion, I did not know this could be an option. I thought that would be double jeopardy. She says it is not.

It would please KG’s family, and they seem to be pushing for such

And alternate suspects- it sure explains why he did not harm Murphy. Wow.

IMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1955286025846010278

"Bryan Kohberger
is being relentlessly tormented by his new jail-mates,
who are shouting through the vents into his cell at all hours of the day.

'It’s driving him crazy.
The inmates are tormenting him at night and almost all hours of the day
- taunting him through the vents in his cell',
said Chris McDonough, a retired homicide detective.

During the rare 60 minutes outside the cell,
Kohberger is moved around wearing restraints.

He is also only allowed to shower every other day.

An insider told McDonough
that the inmates in the nearby cells have joined forces to work together
to target the newest face on J block,
taking it in turns
to shout through the air conditioning and heating vents connecting the cells."

Too bad!!!

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Nancy Grace- Inmates harassing BK, DP fed level, alternate suspect defense

Has anyone heard the discussion of the possibility that because BK had pretty much fled across state lines he could be prosecuted in Federal court and get the Death Penalty?

Nancy Grace is a former prosecuting attorney- she knows her stuff.
Very interesting discussion, I did not know this could be an option.
It would please KG’s family, and they seem to be pushing for such

And alternate suspects- it sure explains why he did not harm Murphy.

IMO

Yes, I have heard the discussion about potential federal charges for flight across state lines as a fugitive of justice, and whether it could lead to additional charges including reconsideration of the DP.

But awhile back here when I brought it up, a verified lawyer OP IIRC shot it down with something along the lines of state charges trumping federal ones due to the location of the crimes occurring in Idaho, and the travel to PA as a fugitive not being as serious in the eyes of the law as the murders.

However, I may have missed something subtle like the timing being a key factor. As in, federal charges would have to come after resolution of state charges.

MOO, IANAL

 

[PunishThenForgive]

The video is over an hour-and-a-half. Any short summary or time stamp?

jmo

Josh Ritter of Courtroom Confidential was pleasantly surprised that so much information was released right after the murderer was sentenced (police reports, media interviews with individuals who were previously gagged, and crime scene photos).

In this episode (recently shared by @Warwick7), Ritter corrects some of the misinformation that floated around prior to the gag order being lifted — with the help of the Idaho Statesman investigative reporter, Kevin Fixler (based on his interviews with lead prosecutor Bill Thompson and lead investigator Darren Gilbertson of the Idaho State Police):

This is a long episode (over one hour and 40 minutes), but well worth a listen IMO. For anyone who can’t listen right now, here is Part 1 of a summary with time stamps, up until Josh takes viewer questions:

• 6:30 The FBI did not know the identity of the murderer until December 19, when he was already in PA. So they did not hide his identity from local police, follow the murderer during his trek from WA to PA, or have anything to do with the two IN traffic stops.
• 10:51 The murderer targeted only one person—Maddie or Kaylee—but they don’t know which one, and they don’t know whether Xana was killed before Ethan.
• 14:16 There was a horizontal pattern somewhere on Kaylee. There was no breakage of skin under these markings, which could not be caused by a striking or punching hand. The markings may have been caused by the hilt of the murderer’s Ka-bar or by a second weapon.
• 18:27 The drug angle was thoroughly investigated. Though toxicology reports won’t be released (since they were completed in Washington), Bill Thompson said there was no evidence of illicit drugs, including marijuana, in the “system” of any murder victim.
• 20:37 The belief that Xana interrupted the murderer is based solely on DM’s testimony that she heard a roommate run down the stairs from the third floor. This interruption likely caused the murderer to leave his knife sheath behind. Thompson is not sure the murderer could have been prosecuted without the DNA found on the sheath.
• 28:58 Ethan may not have been asleep when he was murdered. His legs were not carved, but it appears the killer did try to prevent Ethan from chasing after him.
• 33:20 There was no evidence that the murderer sat on Xana’s chair (or anywhere else).
• 38:16 The DoorDash driver was MM, but according to her November 23, 2022 interview and security cam footage, she did NOT see the murderer or his car, and she did not park next to him. She would have testified during trial, but only to help establish the timeline of the murders.
• 42:49 The State believes the murderer saw DM on his way out of the house. Thompson thinks the killer let DM live since he had intended to kill only one person and had already stayed in the house longer than he planned.
• 46:52 LE could not prove with financial records or interviews that the murderer had any connection to Maddie or Xana via the restaurant where they worked, The Mad Greek. The killer’s phone did, however, passively connect to the restaurant’s internet network.
• 53:54 The killer successfully wiped much information from his devices, but Cellubrite retrieved some data. Unfortunately, none of this data proved that the killer had a prior connection to any victim.
• 56:17 LE knows the identity of Pappa Rodger, and it was NOT the murderer.

 

[Dotta]

Yes, I have heard the discussion about potential federal charges for flight across state lines as a fugitive of justice, and whether it could lead to additional charges including reconsideration of the DP.

But awhile back here when I brought it up, a verified lawyer OP IIRC shot it down with something along the lines of state charges trumping federal ones due to the location of the crimes occurring in Idaho, and the travel to PA as a fugitive not being as serious in the eyes of the law as the murders.

However, I may have missed something subtle like the timing being a key factor. As in, federal charges would have to come after resolution of state charges.

MOO, IANAL

I don't think it is realistic.

IMO
it could be considered if the perp committed crime in another state.
Did he?

And
I'm not sure about this "flight as a fugitive" either.

He was coming home/visiting parents in a hometown.
He wasn't charged then, was he?

This case is closed.

JMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Josh Ritter of Courtroom Confidential was pleasantly surprised that so much information was released right after the murderer was sentenced (police reports, plus media interviews with individuals who were previously gagged and crime scene photos).

In this episode (recently shared by @Warwick7), Ritter corrects some of the misinformation that floated around prior to the gag order being lifted with the help of the Idaho Statesman investigative reporter, Kevin Fixler (based on his interviews with lead prosecutor Bill Thompson and lead investigator Darren Gilbertson of the Idaho State Police):

This is a long episode (over one hour and 40 minutes), but well worth a listen IMO. For anyone who can’t listen right now, here is Part 1 of a summary with time stamps:

• 6:30 The FBI did not know the identity of the murderer until December 19, when he was already in PA. So they did not hide his identity from local police, follow the murderer during his trek from WA to PA, or have anything to do with the two IN traffic stops.
• 10:51 The murderer targeted only one person—Maddie or Kaylee—but they don’t know which one, and they don’t know whether Xana was killed before Ethan.
• 14:16 There was a horizontal pattern somewhere on Kaylee. There was no breakage of skin under these markings, which could not be caused by a striking or punching hand. The markings may have been caused by the hilt of the murderer’s Ka-bar or by a second weapon.
• 18:27 The drug angle was investigated, but there was no evidence of illicit drugs, including marijuana, in the “system” of any murder victim.
• 20:37 The belief that Xana interrupted the murderer is based solely on DM’s testimony that she heard a roommate run down the stairs from the third floor. This interruption likely caused the murderer to leave his knife sheath behind. Thompson is not sure the murderer could have been prosecuted without the DNA found on the sheath.
• 28:58 Ethan may not have been asleep when he was murdered. His legs were not carved, but it appears the killer did try to prevent Ethan from chasing after him.
• 33:20 There was no evidence that the murderer sat on Xana’s chair (or anywhere else)
• 38:16 The DoorDash driver was MM, but according to her November 23, 2022 interview and security cam footage, she did NOT see the murderer or his car, and she did not park next to him. She would have testified, but only to help establish the timeline of the murders.
• 42:49 The murderer saw DM on his way out of the house. Thompson thinks the killer let DM live since he had intended to kill only one person and has already stayed in the house longer than he planned.
• 46:52 LE could not prove with financial records or interviews that the murderer had any connection toT Maddie or Xana via the restaurant where they worked, The Mad Greek. The killer’s phone did, however, passively connect to the restaurant’s internet network.
• 53:54 The killer successfully wiped much information from his devices, but Cellubrite retrieved some data. Unfortunately, none of this proved that the killer had a prior connection to any victim.
• 56:17 LE knows the identity of Pappa Rodger, and it was not the murderer.

This is great! Thank you!

I can read long documents, no prob, but watching a long video is like torture for me. Thanks again.

jmopinion

 

[AngTxGal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1955286025846010278

"Bryan Kohberger
is being relentlessly tormented by his new jail-mates,
who are shouting through the vents into his cell at all hours of the day.

'It’s driving him crazy.
The inmates are tormenting him at night and almost all hours of the day
- taunting him through the vents in his cell',
said Chris McDonough, a retired homicide detective.

During the rare 60 minutes outside the cell,
Kohberger is moved around wearing restraints.

He is also only allowed to shower every other day.

An insider told McDonough
that the inmates in the nearby cells have joined forces to work together
to target the newest face on J block,
taking it in turns
to shout through the air conditioning and heating vents connecting the cells."

Too bad!!!

That is too funny, he is the new Tickle Me Elmo, to poke and watch react but not with a laugh.
I can see how he would be endless hours of entertainment for other twisted psychopaths like him.

He is a narcissist with OCD tendencies…

Inmates will laugh at him!! Humiliation is the narcissist’s kryptonite.

Prison is an OCD sufferers nightmare, germs floating in all of the air.

And now they should move him as soon as he gets settled into a routine,
switch up his schedule every two weeks,
give him the wrong food!
And the final straw- a big roommate that sheds body hair!

No shame on those who suffer, my brother has tendencies, so I know am their buttons are often displayed for the world to see and push at will.

Oh I’m taking wagers- I give him less than six months to be certifiable.

IMO

 

[Dotta]

That is too funny, he is the new Tickle Me Elmo, to poke and watch react but not with a laugh.
I can see how he would be endless hours of entertainment for other twisted psychopaths like him.

He is a narcissist with OCD tendencies…

Inmates will laugh at him!! Humiliation is the narcissist’s kryptonite.

Prison is an OCD sufferers nightmare, germs floating in all of the air.

And now they should move him as soon as he gets settled into a routine,
switch up his schedule every two weeks,
give him the wrong food!
And the final straw- a big roommate that sheds body hair!

No shame on those who suffer, my brother has tendencies, so I know am their buttons are often displayed for the world to see and push at will.

Oh I’m taking wagers- I give him less than six months to be certifiable.

IMO

He seems to be their best entertainment possible.
That they "joined forces" and "take turns" is very telling and doesn't bode well for him.

Oh,
"Home, sweet Home"

JMO

 

[AngTxGal]

I don't think it is realistic.

IMO
it could be considered if the perp committed crime in another state.
Did he?

And
I'm not sure about this "flight as a fugitive" either.

He was coming home/visiting parents in a hometown.
He wasn't charged then, was he?

This case is closed.

JMO

Crossing state lines to flee means it could be pursued as federal, he took himself and evidence across state lines. He doesn’t have to be a fugitive- taking a stolen item, drugs, or kidnapping a child and taking them across state lines means the feds can pursue if they like.

And, it has been described that he pretty much emptied his apartment out. He took all of his clothes. That could be evidence of not planning go return.
Also- he had been fired, and was not going to attend school in the spring. Why would he need to return?

It doesn’t matter if he had been charged yet or not, as he can’t be charged for an accessory after the fact, to a crime he committed.
Only his parents could- if they didn’t know about it originally.

I think it is possible- I’m no attorney and would love to hear an attorney who practices in federal court says!
All those wanting a trial may get their way.

IMO