GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[iamshadow21]

The jury toured OJ's house- although that wasn't where he committed the murders.

That was thirty years ago. Not recent.

MOO

 

[AngTxGal]

It's beyond a terrible thing, I believe this murderer did have true hate in his heart for the popular sorority girl(s) that would never consider him relationship material. <his thinking>

It was so poignant to me when Kaylee's sister Alivia said in her impact statement that Kaylee and Maddie would have been the first one's to try and make him feel less awkward. I can see that in them.

I was Chi O years ago and probably why I connected so closely to this case. I have done, literally, many of the exact same things as these young women. We are young, eager to be on our own, and invincible...until we're not, through no fault of our own.

I hope DM and BF can move forward and begin the healing process. I could actually feel DM's pain when she read her VI statement. They both have been put through emotional and traumatic he ll on earth.

JMO

Agree, getting to know these four victims has taken me back in time to when I was that immortal, idealistic, carefree, full of promise and ready to take on the world.

I can relate to the personality of Xana more than the others. Not the sorority type, I was quite adventurous, most enjoyed the live music and dancing scene of the 80’s.
My son looks quite a bit like Ethan, and has a personality like they describe him and is literally the same age as Ethan within five days.
And then there is my daughter who was 19 when this happened. She was a freshman in college at the time, is the age of Dylan and resembles her in height.

So I was a worried mom with two kids in college out of state when these murders took place. I’ve followed it from the beginning- and checked Snapchat every night to be sure my kids were where they should be.

Because of the way it happened, and then the confusion as to why- I had some wonderful conversations with my kids about safety and relationships. Isn’t that what we do- try to figure out the world so we can help our kids be safer in it.

Our twenties should not be a scary time

IMO

 

[xjd11]

The media sure is getting a lot of mileage out of the murder victims! Panel of experts talking about prison, and what that is for convicted murderers in the USA. Are they hoping that people will gloat about Kohberger's future? Strange idea about entertainment today!

I think part of the reason some people are interested to know that he will suffer in prison is based on the feeling that he avoided the death penalty. some people feel that would be the only justice, regardless of the risk of a jury trial, countless appeals etc.

 

[otto]

I think part of the reason some people are interested to know that he will suffer in prison is based on the feeling that he avoided the death penalty. some people feel that would be the only justice, regardless of the risk of a jury trial, countless appeals etc.

I don't think he will suffer any more than any other criminal. He seems to be skilled in coercion. He will use that to his advantage in prison.

I watched the video of the police stop where he was speeding. A speeding ticket, per his conversation with the officer, results in demerits on his licence. He knew that, even though he acted as though he didn't.

He immediately offered/agreed that he was not wearing a seatbelt, which is a minor offence with a $10 fine. By controlling the conversation - declaring that he is an honest person who would not lie about whether he was wearing a seatbelt - the officer was almost borderline apologetic for having to give him a ticket for something he didn't know for sure until Kohberger admitted it. He did not get the speeding ticket.

 

[bajaflash]

I don't think he will suffer any more than any other criminal. He seems to be skilled in coercion. He will use that to his advantage in prison.

I watched the video of the police stop where he was speeding. A speeding ticket, per his conversation with the officer, results in demerits on his licence. He knew that, even though he acted as though he didn't.

He immediately offered/agreed that he was not wearing a seatbelt, which is a minor offence with a $10 fine. By controlling the conversation - declaring that he is an honest person who would not lie about whether he was wearing a seatbelt - the officer was almost borderline apologetic for having to give him a ticket for something he didn't know for sure until Kohberger admitted it. He did not get the speeding ticket.

I may be very wrong but as long as he minds his business most others will mind theirs

 

[Gigiky]

I may be very wrong but as long as he minds his business most others will mind theirs

Nope. You are very right in your thinking. JMO

 

[bajaflash]

Nope. You are very right in your thinking. JMO

Had a family friend in San Quentin and that's exactly what it was for his experience.

 

[snooptroop88]

The deck did extend the length of the third floor, though it was bigger off of Kaylee's room, and it could only be accessed from her room. These photos provided by poster @cujenn81, photo gallery linked to first page of every thread.

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Very grateful for the insertion by @SteveP of this particular view of the house.

I understand why that house is gone, honestly. It's of great value to many that it is gone in the healing process, so this makes a lot of sense to me. Also, appreciative of those noting the lack of value for acoustics because an empty house-- it's a whole different experience in terms of sound, and this makes sense, too.

What irks me about the demolition of that house is that it seemed premature. While I get that there's no guarantee the actual structure would ever be needed for any reason, there's also no guarantee some need might not have presented itself somewhere along the line. While it's rare that jurors would need to visit on site at an actual location, looking at the view of that house in the image @SteveP posted -- that model isn't going to capture that, the overlook that the murderer used as a vantage point from which to attack. (This photo posted, though, does come very close to capturing it.) And early on, P seemed to be taking the chance with demolition, okay, we're not going to preserve the house. (The D's obviously not going to object since it's in the D's interest to have that house gone in the event it is needed for any reason down the line because any "my bad" moments in the process as a whole are a windfall for the D.) And in light of the fact that this process ultimately resulted in a plea, it truly does make me wonder if the murderer's plea deal wasn't being considered much, much earlier than we know, and the demolition of the house was not taking any chance at all. Bottom line is, I just think they should have preserved the house in case something triggered a need for it in the course of the trial. The model is phenomenal in conjunction with the actual structure., but having the model alone-- I'm sorry, it looks like a dollhouse. P could probably have made it work during trial, but (again jmo) only in conjunction with photographs. This isn't some diss on models. It's dissatisfaction (jmo) on the use of just the model within the larger context of this trial and its preparations.

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950756843556409778

 

[Arkay]

He immediately offered/agreed that he was not wearing a seatbelt, which is a minor offence with a $10 fine. By controlling the conversation - declaring that he is an honest person who would not lie about whether he was wearing a seatbelt - the officer was almost borderline apologetic for having to give him a ticket for something he didn't know for sure until Kohberger admitted it. He did not get the speeding ticket

Yes, IMO he definitely attempted to control every interaction he had with the police.

Is this one of four traffic stops? I count this one, the crosswalk one with the female officer, and the two tailgating ones as he drove home to Pennsylvania with his dad.

These traffic stops absolutely astound me. Try chatting up a NYC cop for this long and you will get shut up very quickly. They don’t have the time here for you to try to talk in circles, and they’re not going to get trapped into you leading the conversation.

Most tickets here nowadays in NYC are issued through red light and speed cameras anyway, giving police more time to keep the peace in a very busy city.

I view his small talk chitchat in the interview differently, though. He certainly aimed at dominating the conversation, but I imagine in that circumstance it likely was better for LE to let him gab away, in case he would slip up and reveal something.

I forget now, who was it that he asked if maybe they’d have coffee together? Was that with the cops at his home in Pennsylvania? That strikes me as BK attempting to put himself on the same level as them—-like they are buddies hanging out. He wanted to change the equation—-he’s the cat, not the mouse.

Thankfully he is now and forever where he belongs, in the mousetrap and behind bars.

JMO

 

[Cool Cats]

Media | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI) | Idaho Department of Correction

www.idoc.idaho.gov

Where Is Bryan Kohberger Now? Inside the Maximum Security Prison That Houses Another Infamous Killer

Bryan Kohberger, who murdered four University of Idaho students, is in the same institution as another notorious killer, which landed on a list of the "15 Worst Prisons in America."

www.yahoo.com

Here's where Bryan Kohberger will spend the rest of his life in prison

Kohberger was given to four life sentences for the murders of Madison Mogen, Kaylee Goncalves, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin in November 2022.

www.king5.com

BK is in The Idaho Maximum Security Institution (IMSI) and this is Idaho's most secure correctional facility, designed to house the most dangerous and the most disruptive incarcerated individuals. Chad Daybell is housed here on death row.

Conditions at the Idaho Maximum Security Institution are so severe that in 2024, it was ranked among the “15 Worst Prisons in America” by Security Journal Americas, which covers the security industry.

The Idaho Department of Correction told Oxygen.com: "Once in IDOC custody, the person goes through a Reception and Diagnostic Unit (RDU) process to evaluate their needs and determine appropriate housing placement; this process takes 7-14 days. We wait until a person completes RDU to determine their classification, housing placement, and privileges."

The prison has different layers of housing, including "close custody," which is the most restrictive among them, and where inmates spend 23 hours a day in a cell and are have to wear restraints when moved, 6ABC reported. There's also "protective custody" for those inmates who feel they're at risk in the facility.

An IDOC resident search for Kohberger on July 29 reveals that he's currently listed as being in a "medical" unit.
Former Idaho Attorney General David Leroy believes Kohberger will be kept in solitary confinement for much of his life sentence.

 

[mickey2942]

Agree, getting to know these four victims has taken me back in time to when I was that immortal, idealistic, carefree, full of promise and ready to take on the world.

I can relate to the personality of Xana more than the others. Not the sorority type, I was quite adventurous, most enjoyed the live music and dancing scene of the 80’s.
My son looks quite a bit like Ethan, and has a personality like they describe him and is literally the same age as Ethan within five days.
And then there is my daughter who was 19 when this happened. She was a freshman in college at the time, is the age of Dylan and resembles her in height.

So I was a worried mom with two kids in college out of state when these murders took place. I’ve followed it from the beginning- and checked Snapchat every night to be sure my kids were where they should be.

Because of the way it happened, and then the confusion as to why- I had some wonderful conversations with my kids about safety and relationships. Isn’t that what we do- try to figure out the world so we can help our kids be safer in it.

Our twenties should not be a scary time

IMO

What strikes me as so scary about this murder, and the Ted Bundy carnage at Chi Omega sorority, was the absolute randomness. The people in the respective houses had no clue that they were targets of a madman until the literal instant the attack occurred.

What would have prevented this? Well, the dog, if it had not been a baby puppy. Otherwise, there was nothing they didn't do or not do...so scary.

The absolute blitz attack from BK demonstrates how fast a perpetrator can render a sleeping person helpless. By the time they realized the attack, they were probably already too injured to really fight back successfully.

 

[NottaYutz]

Yikes.

I thought this was interesting. Top Professionals with Psychopathic tendencies. Seems to be positions with control over people and attention seeking.

<snipped>

1. CEO
2. Lawyer
3. Media (Television/Radio)
4. Salesperson
5. Surgeon
6. Journalist
7. Police officer
8. Clergy person
9. Chef
10. Civil Servant

The Top 10 Jobs That Attract Psychopaths

Everyone I have ever worked with has, at some point, called another colleague or coworker "crazy." But does your job actually attract true psychopaths? In the book "The Wisdom of Psychopaths: What Saints, Spies, and Serial Killers Can Teach Us About Success," Kevin Dutton explains that there are...

www.forbes.com

JMO

I've seen lists that also include politicians and actors as categories.

 

[Warwick7]

WOW!!!!

 

[vls12345]

Yes that's what I heard Kevin say. I just meant that if lead prosecutor can't recall the book they must have decided it wasn't of much value to them at trial.

Only other alternative is BT is very forgetful or not over the detail so I'll have to assume they'd deemed it to be minor value in arguing their case.

I really want to know now, so looking forward to seeing what the newshounds track down

And, tbf, many students buy used books. Used books (especially ones used in school courses) sometimes come with annotations and/or highlighting/underlining already in them. If this had gone to trial and if the prosecution tried to use it as evidence, I would think the defense could have easily created doubt about it because you can't really prove who underlined something in a book most of the time.

So, while it might be of interest to us, I don't think it would have had any weight in a trial. MOO.

 

[INfisherman]

Apologies for being behind & potentially dredging up a specific point which may have already been put to bed. Some potentially graphic descriptions follow, so please skip if you’re overly sensitive.

Where I am currently reading, there is still discussion regarding a potential 2nd weapon due to the extent of non-knife injuries.

I speak on this from personal experience (training & being a younger person whose dad made sure his son didn’t take personal threats lightly as a kid) - an object held tightly in one’s hand who understands the concept of how to effectively punch is able to increase damage more so than some of us may think. I could very easily imagine the knife handle was the cause of the additional injuries, punches thrown while tightly gripping the knife &/or strikes made with the butt of the handle using "hammer fist blows". Either of these could break facial bones & knock out teeth. Kind of falls along the lines of holding a roll of coins while making a fist or employing a yawara type of weapon.

JMO & 100% speculative/thinking out loud.

ETA I seem to recall the intent of the design of the Ka-Bar pommel (butt) was something which could be used as a makeshift hammer. Not necessarily a permanent solution as a hammer but in times of necessity when a soldier might be stranded in the field during combat (a survival situation) or employed as an additional weapon (smashing into an opposing soldier’s helmet).

 

[Lilibet]

Apologies for being behind & potentially dredging up a specific point which may have already been put to bed. Some potentially graphic descriptions follow, so please skip if you’re overly sensitive.

Where I am currently reading, there is still discussion regarding a potential 2nd weapon due to the extent of non-knife injuries.

I speak on this from personal experience (training & being a younger person whose dad made sure his son didn’t take personal threats lightly as a kid) - an object held tightly in one’s hand who understands the concept of how to effectively punch is able to increase damage more so than some of us may think. I could very easily imagine the knife handle was the cause of the additional injuries, punches thrown while tightly gripping the knife &/or strikes made with the butt of the handle using "hammer fist blows". Either of these could break facial bones & knock out teeth. Kind of falls along the lines of holding a roll of coins while making a fist or employing a yawara type of weapon.

JMO & 100% speculative/thinking out loud.

ETA I seem to recall the intent of the design of the Ka-Bar pommel (butt) was something which could be used as a makeshift hammer. Not necessarily a permanent solution as a hammer but in times of necessity when a soldier might be stranded in the field during combat (a survival situation) or employed as an additional weapon (smashing into an opposing soldier’s helmet).

Yes, this makes much more sense to me than killer carrying two weapons. He had been a boxer (so he said), so he knew how to “effectively punch,” as you put it.

Bryan Kohberger once bragged about cutting fish, boxing routine on job application

Bryan Kohberger, the accused killer of four Idaho college kids, reportedly once bragged about his boxing routine and previous work as a “fish cutter” on a 2015 application for a job.

nypost.com

 

[meatandcookies]

The murderer, as of Wednesday, was assigned to J Block at IMSI, the same block as Chad Daybell, who’s on death row. Anyone have any more info on this? The first result I get when searching “IMSI J block” is a prisoner on TikTok who seems to be looking for a date.

ETA: Gerald Pizzuto and Thomas Eugene Creech are also in J Block and also on death row. This would seem to be a very high-security, high-restriction area, but again, I also saw an inmate on TikTok from J block (so, smuggled phone?). Looking forward to more info coming out on what this means.

 

[cottonweaver]

WOW!!!!

Straight off the bat he's not holding back - 'angry, enraged and frustrated' about multiple issues

22mins - and the striped pattern impressions left on her face which didn't break the skin? the knife handle according to JSM

so that's Ed Wallace ( NYPD CSI ) and JSM coming to the same conclusion. Good enough for me.

 

[iamshadow21]

Straight off the bat he's not holding back - 'angry, enraged and frustrated' about multiple issues

22mins - and the striped pattern impressions left on her face which didn't break the skin? the knife handle according to JSM

so that's Ed Wallace ( NYPD CSI ) and JSM coming to the same conclusion. Good enough for me.

Yeah, I think the 'two weapon' theory is officially debunked.

Given the blitz nature of the attack, he was moving fast, using one weapon both to stab and to bludgeon. Probably using the other hand to support himself or to hold the victim down. There's no room in there for another weapon. Both in the scenario and in the physical space. We've been discussing how Maddie's room was basically a glorified broom cupboard. No room to swing a bat. But enough to use the pommel and handle of the knife you're using to stab to club and stun a victim who's actively fighting back.

MOO