GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[gremlin444]

None of us know how we will respond to an extreme situation. I've responded with calm efficiency, freezing, dissociation, and hysteria at different times in my life. The only consistency was the come down - shaking, anxiety, perseveration on what had happened, what I had done. Flashbacks. Nightmares.

Hunter responded with calm efficiency, but his trauma will be just as marked as everyone else in that immediate group. Possibly more so than many, because of his compartmentalisation of his immediate reactions to shield the others, and his choice to enter the crime scene, view the bodies closely and check them for vital signs. Nobody else but first responders came so close to the victims, and we know from things said to the press that seasoned LE and forensics folks found it an incredibly confronting scene to work because of the nature of the injuries and the violence. Hunter was essentially a kid, and the victims weren't strangers but his friends. That would mark anyone deeply.

MOO

If someone ever put up a fundraiser to help Hunter Johnson to pay for ongoing long term trauma therapy and support, I'd be grabbing my debit card before the link even finished loading.

 

[Warwick7]

If someone ever put up a fundraiser to help Hunter Johnson to pay for ongoing long term trauma therapy and support, I'd be grabbing my debit card before the link even finished loading.

Me too!!!!

 

[Dotta]

One of the most gruesome images, and most highly debated on this forum, was the blood-like substance seen seeping from the King Road house in photos taken shortly after the murders, with many believing that it could not have actually been blood. It has now been confirmed that it was indeed blood, and was Ethan's. That haunting picture will stay with me for the rest of my life, and learning new information about the sheer brutality of the murders will make it even more haunting.

In Kernodle's room, her body was on the floor and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin's body was on her bed. Chapin's blood seeped out of the side of the house in the hours before his body was discovered, officials confirmed.

I cannot even think of the murderer as human. He is pure evil incarnate. JMO

Idaho murders: Investigators speak out about targets, motive and interviewing Kohberger

ABC News sat down with Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson, the lead detective in the Idaho murders case, after Bryan Kohberger was put behind bars for life.

abcnews.go.com

I remember Daily Mail reported it as I sent a link here.
And a lot of ppl accused MSM of lying & sensationalism.

I was sure, unfortunately, that it was blood of the victim/s
It was obvious IMO.

And now
Prosecutor confirms it.

 

[INfisherman]

One of the most gruesome images, and most highly debated on this forum, was the blood-like substance seen seeping from the King Road house in photos taken shortly after the murders, with many believing that it could not have actually been blood. It has now been confirmed that it was indeed blood, and was Ethan's. That haunting picture will stay with me for the rest of my life, and learning new information about the sheer brutality of the murders will make it even more haunting.

In Kernodle's room, her body was on the floor and her boyfriend Ethan Chapin's body was on her bed. Chapin's blood seeped out of the side of the house in the hours before his body was discovered, officials confirmed.

I cannot even think of the murderer as human. He is pure evil incarnate. JMO

Idaho murders: Investigators speak out about targets, motive and interviewing Kohberger

ABC News sat down with Idaho State Police Lt. Darren Gilbertson, the lead detective in the Idaho murders case, after Bryan Kohberger was put behind bars for life.

abcnews.go.com

Yeah, it was brutal, to say the least. The animal was berserk & he took it out on them & then some. Had any other roommates done anything differently in regards to investigating the noises they heard or things they saw, they would have been victims as well. He was beyond out of control.

MOO

 

[INfisherman]

Memory unlocked. I used a roll of nickels in my first fight, back when I was a little "stormier" than I am now in my old age.

I think it was the butt of the K-bar that made the marks on KG. moo

Yeah, I had my rough & tumble years as well, mostly prior to adulthood. I have a couple of memories of which I’m not proud but wasn’t going to be a punching bag. Sometimes people just don’t realize they’re poking a bear & think it’s a game or popularity contest. Having kids probably got me out of that frame of mind but I still don’t leave much wiggle room if I feel threatened, especially if I try to take the higher road initially.

MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

I remember Daily Mail reported it as I sent a link here.
And a lot of ppl accused MSM of lying & sensationalism.

I was sure, unfortunately, that it was blood of the victim/s
It was obvious IMO.

And now
Prosecutor confirms it.

Yes I was here too.
I believed it because at the same time Ed Wallace explained how it could easily happen ( Before he was a NYPD CSI he trained as an architect and he described the style of house construction as well as Knife wounds wrt veins & arterial blood loss over X hrs etc. I did post it onto WS)

 

[SteveP]

If someone ever put up a fundraiser to help Hunter Johnson to pay for ongoing long term trauma therapy and support, I'd be grabbing my debit card before the link even finished loading.

Even though it could not be linked here, I think we would learn of it, and I would as well, for both him and EA. BTW, the one for Dylan is at just shy of 79K as I type this.

 

[cottonweaver]

Also of note--the FBI behavioral analysis unit did make a profile of the murderer for LE

PVS: Bill, I want to ask you a question. I know you've been asked this already a bunch of times, but as you well know, everyone, the families and friends of those students, the public at large, everyone is vexed by the question of why did he do this? Do you have a theory?

BT: I don't know why he did this. Early on in the investigation when we had folks from the FBI's behavioral analysis unit, their profilers, they were here helping with the investigation in the first few weeks. Um as they were looking at the case, even just the little we knew then. They were telling us in all likelihood we would never find out or understand why this occurred. And even if the
murderer were to tell us the reasons that in all likelihood it wouldn't make sense to ordinary people like ourselves.

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Find it hard to believe that BAU said that - bit in bold.

Yes, that goes without saying, wrt to the extra reason in italics.

 

[whirrledpeas]

I know he has pleaded guilty and I believe that he IS guilty, but something has been semi-bothering me.

Why do you think he entered a plea so close to trial? Bill Thompson admitted at the press conference that he had no online or offline connections to any of them. No motive. No murder weapon. No forensic computer data.

Is there maybe something in discovery that came through that made him take the plea? Something damning?

 

[bajaflash]

I know he has pleaded guilty and I believe that he IS guilty, but something has been semi-bothering me.

Why do you think he entered a plea so close to trial? Bill Thompson admitted at the press conference that he had no online or offline connections to any of them. No motive. No murder weapon. No forensic computer data.

Is there maybe something in discovery that came through that made him take the plea? Something damning?

His DNA on the sheath imo

 

[Megnut]

I know he has pleaded guilty and I believe that he IS guilty, but something has been semi-bothering me.

Why do you think he entered a plea so close to trial? Bill Thompson admitted at the press conference that he had no online or offline connections to any of them. No motive. No murder weapon. No forensic computer data.

Is there maybe something in discovery that came through that made him take the plea? Something damning?

His DNA in the bed with two of his victims.

He just rode the trial train to the station and jumped an inch shy.

A game to someone who cares about nothing but his own hide.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

snipped

Find it hard to believe that BAU said that - bit in bold.

Yes, that goes without saying, wrt to the extra reason in italics.

IMO

This murderer is sick in the head.

I doubt even he understands why murderous urges possessed him.

Nobody knows or will know.
Psychiatrists can only guess.

I think his parents and sisters ask themselves the same questions over and over again.
And they will till they die.
With no exact answer.

Sometimes
even we don't understand our motives,
(as they are often subconscious)
so how can we understand other people?

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950956679186530422

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1950978844225057118

 

[Cedars]

I know he has pleaded guilty and I believe that he IS guilty, but something has been semi-bothering me.

Why do you think he entered a plea so close to trial? Bill Thompson admitted at the press conference that he had no online or offline connections to any of them. No motive. No murder weapon. No forensic computer data.

Is there maybe something in discovery that came through that made him take the plea? Something damning?

The speculation I've read - eg Gray Hughes, but also others - is it may have had a lot to do with his lawyers advice.

She did everything she could to try to make it a case she could defend, even up to the last minute - eg motions to get things included or excluded at the trial, but all those motions were denied.

So, if she didn't believe she could win the case against him, it was in his own best interests for her to advise him to get a deal and at least save his life. And, as a defendent should do, he followed his lawyer's advice.

IMO, he first spoke his family and confessed to them, and they agreed he should plead guilty.

JMO

 

[whirrledpeas]

His DNA in the bed with two of his victims.

He just rode the trial train to the station and jumped an inch shy.

A game to someone who cares about nothing but his own hide.

JMO

Touch dna is still DNA but could easily try to be explained away because it was touch. I’ve read through almost all of the doc dump and they really just didn’t have a lot. Some but not a lot. JMO

 

[whirrledpeas]

The speculation I've read - eg Gray Hughes, but also others - is it may have had a lot to do with his lawyers advice.

She did everything she could to try to make it a case she could defend, even up to the last minute - eg motions to get things included or excluded at the trial, but all those motions were denied.

So, if she didn't believe she could win the case against him, it was in his own best interests for her to advise him to get a deal and at least save his life. And, as a defendent should do, he followed his lawyer's advice.

IMO, he first spoke his family and confessed to them, and they agreed he should plead guilty.

JMO

This makes the most sense and I’m sure he hated this outcome. The other thing I’ve thought about is he didn’t want anything coming out at trial as to possible things that won’t be released from any of the agencies in upcoming document dumps.

 

[Joe Friday]

RE: lights

Social media photos/videos seen in the various documentaries and on their SM accounts showed that both girls had strings of fairy lights in their rooms. Maddie's room was fairly small, and had lights framing the opening to her closet which appears to be only 3-4 feet away from her bed, along with a line of lights (might even all be one strand) that ran up the side of her window nearest where her boots were displayed. Many young adults that I know don't turn off their fairy lights to go to sleep, and Maddie went to bed with her false eyelashes on so I could see turning those lights off to be the last thing on her mind that night.

Xana also had fairy lights on the full length mirror that stood in the far corner near her window.

SBM

The point I was trying to make about the lights in the room was that BK obvious couldn't have walked into a pitch dark room and committed the murders of two people in each room by stabbing them each multiple times without some light to see the number of victims in each room and where he was stabbing.

Whether that light came from a TV, fairy lights or a ceiling/table lamp or whether or not the lights were already on or BK turned them on we may never know. But I think we can all surmise there had to be some source of light in the room in order for BK to carry out the murders as he did.

For all we know BK may have been using a headlamp type light or some other source of light that he brought with him. But there was no mention of that in the evidence found or the description Dylan had given and I think if BK did use some type of head lamp he brought with him Dylan would have remembered that given the detailed description of BK she had given LE, even down to his bushy eyebrows.

JMO

 

[whirrledpeas]

His DNA on the sheath imo

Yeah but it was touch dna which isn’t very strong. Still dna though.

 

[gremlin444]

Touch dna is still DNA but could easily try to be explained away because it was touch. I’ve read through almost all of the doc dump and they really just didn’t have a lot. Some but not a lot. JMO

Given the other agencies working on the case--Latah County Sheriff, Idaho State Police, and the FBI, we are only seeing a small amount of the information. And I'd be utterly shocked if we ever got much info from the FBI. Additionally, there are sealed court documents which may or may not end up being unsealed and released.

I don't think there is going to be a mega bombshell in the remaining documents. I think there will be some more things we don't know, and then a lot of other things that serve to round out the picture on the information that we have.

There's always going to be evidence that doesn't add up to much on its own, but when put in combination with other pieces of evidence creates a fuller picture--whether that's to motive, methods, etc. And some of those things would be things that wouldn't have come in at trial due to the very strict rules of evidence.

AT could try to hand wave away the dna on the sheath, which would require us to believe that it's all just an unfortunate coincidence that BK made a purchase on Amazon several months before the murders of the same type of knife sheath (which, I saw upon glancing through the docs had some identifying number on it--serial, lot?) that had his DNA on it as well as a knife that the ME said was highly consistent with the stab/slicing wounds and yet he somehow no longer has the knife or sheath to prove to LE that the one at the site couldn't be his. But when the other details that show a striking similarity between him and whoever committed the murders are added on to the DNA (having a car that is the same model and color as the one caught on the next door security camera with only a back plate in a region where most cars have 2), having an educational background with studies that provided him with a lot of knowledge on forensic evidence and how to avoid leaving it, etc....then we end up with a level of unluckiness for BK that starts approaching that of Scott Peterson. IMHO.

And when AT is ready to explain to us by what roundabout means BK's touch DNA made it into the tiny grooves of the knife sheath, I'm willing to listen and evaluate that.