GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[LinasK]

First of all Thompson said that they didn't find a connection, not that there wasn't one. I also read that Thompson said that he DID believe that one of the girls on the 3rd floor- either Maddie or Kaylee WAS his target. Secondly, they didn't need the murder weapon. they had his DNA on the sheath. 3) Kohlberger ran out of road on his defense. I think it was his attorney who convinced him to plea when they couldn't use the SODDI defense.

Quoting myself: Also motive isn't necessary to obtain a murder conviction. It's all a moot point since Kohlberger confessed to the murders.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

It was touch dna on a sheath that they had proof that he purchased. That’s way more than “just” touch dna.

People use the phrase "touch DNA" as if it's somehow not quite actual DNA. You can get a full DNA profile from touch DNA and in this case, the sample from the knife sheath was a statistical match to Kohberger's cheek swab. I

 

[LinasK]

My bet is his attorney said, "You have no defense and if you're convicted, you get the death penalty." And thus he jumped off the trial train.

That's exactly what I think happened!

 

[jesse]

As odd as it may seem, I don’t have an immediate nauseated feeling and I’m not sure why.

There have been prisoners who earned law degrees and gave ‘legal advice’ to other prisoners in prison.

Thinking on it

IMO

I've heard of this too, but I was curious and googled it.

You can get a law degree, but probably not get admitted to the bar because it requires a demonstration of character and fitness. So you can get a law degree, and probably be very helpful to other prisoners, but you won't be a lawyer who can practice as one.

Just thought I'd share that

 

[jesse]

If someone ever put up a fundraiser to help Hunter Johnson to pay for ongoing long term trauma therapy and support, I'd be grabbing my debit card before the link even finished loading.

Agreed, but use a credit card, not a debit card for online transactions!

 

[jesse]

Yes.... He realized AT couldn't blame it on someone else.

AT had been shot down by Hippler on her last "hail Mary" defenses.

I agree that he either realized at that point or she laid it out for him that it wasn't looking good at all.

 

[SteveP]

AT had been shot down by Hippler on her last "hail Mary" defenses.

I agree that he either realized at that point or she laid it out for him that it wasn't looking good at all.

Either that, or his mother told him she would rather visit him in prison than in the cemetery and the cemetery was the most likely option if he insisted on going to trial. JMO

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree, and I said the same in this thread a week or so ago. It's a bag from JITB, but we don't know that it's THE bag. Xana may have done late-night ordering from there frequently. Considering how quickly BK entered the house after the DD driver left, I wonder did X take the contents out, stash the bag behind the sink, and go upstairs with her food? Surely she didn't have time to sit and eat it.

I think it's probably the bag... but I'm not absolutely certain of it. I wonder if it will be referenced in one of the doc drops. I'm surprised it wasn't already.

IMO, based on my own experience only, if it wasn't important to the case, it might not be in any documents. The bag itself isn't important, but the time of the DD delivery was and they have that information from DD. We get all excited because "LOOK, proof of a food delivery and it was JACK IN THE BOX!!!!" But unless they need timing from food contents (I'm thinking no), or proof that the bag was delivered (the DD driver would have taken a picture) or it had fingerprints or something on it, it's just a bag on the counter or sink or wherever along with dirty dishes. It matters not a bit to who the perpetrator was. All JMO.

 

[Ghostwheel]

People use the phrase "touch DNA" as if it's somehow not quite actual DNA. You can get a full DNA profile from touch DNA and in this case, the sample from the knife sheath was a statistical match to Kohberger's cheek swab. I

I agree, I find it funny. So it isn't direct spit or blood. But wipe your nose with the back of you hand and brush it against something and you have touch DNA. Hold a cold beer to your sweaty brow and it is touch DNA. Lick your fingers to separate paper and it's touch DNA. Wipe your eye with your finger then open a door and it's touch DNA on the knob. So very many ways to get touch DNA.

 

[cujenn81]

BK mimicked behaviors that he either saw as acceptable or repulsive. He is not that original and he behaved in scenarios as expected, like role-playing.

When being pulled over, in the classroom, at home with family possibly, talking to others, while perpetrating murders etc. do X. This may not be ASD. Psychopathy mixed with schizoaffective disorder might be the bigger diagnosis. His brain just does not work and and he behaves as either he should or should not, sometimes pulling it off other times not so much.

His judgment is lacking, his social awkwardness is there when you are paying attention and I get a strange mix of Adam Lanza, Elliot Roger and Ted Bundy. Mostly because he is vacant.

He does not have an original offering and he focuses on specifics to offer that are either appropriate or inappropriate. If he were reading this, objectively, he would be very disappointed. It is all inauthentic. JMOO

You could be spot on. I also get a bit of a James Holmes vibe — smart, socially awkward, isolated, PhD student with a vacant stare — and he was diagnosed with schizotypal disorder.

Edited to correct JH’s diagnosis — from schizoaffective to schizotypal. The former is a mix of schizophrenia and bipolar, the latter is a personality disorder with distorted beliefs/thinking.

 

[FoxxTraxx]

What strikes me as so scary about this murder, and the Ted Bundy carnage at Chi Omega sorority, was the absolute randomness. The people in the respective houses had no clue that they were targets of a madman until the literal instant the attack occurred.

What would have prevented this? Well, the dog, if it had not been a baby puppy. Otherwise, there was nothing they didn't do or not do...so scary.

The absolute blitz attack from BK demonstrates how fast a perpetrator can render a sleeping person helpless. By the time they realized the attack, they were probably already too injured to really fight back successfully.

One similarity between the Chi Omega House that Bundy attacked and 1122 King Rd. is the doors on both houses most people used did not lock properly. We'll never know if those doors had been locked tightly the perpetrators may have been deterred.

It's well documented on this thread that the sliding glass door on King Rd was not being locked.

In Ann Rule's book The Stranger Beside Me the following is said about Chi Omega [p. 232-3]:

When they reached the back door Melanie commented to Leslie that the combination lock was not working. ''This is strange'' she murmured ''The door isn't locked''. Leslie only shrugged. They had been having trouble with the door closing and locking tightly the last few days.

[About 45 minutes later]
When Nita came to the back door she found it standing open. This didn't particularly alarm her because she was aware it had not been working right.

Unbeknownst to Nita, Bundy was in the house.

 

[Luna20]

AT had been shot down by Hippler on her last "hail Mary" defenses.

I agree that he either realized at that point or she laid it out for him that it wasn't looking good at all.

I believe the way in which Hippler responded to her ‘possible other suspects’ was awkward for AT, like a hand slap. It was almost an admonishing from Hippler, he wasn’t happy about it and it was obvious.

 

[Gemmie]

One similarity between the Chi Omega House that Bundy attacked and 1122 King Rd. is the doors on both houses most people used did not lock properly. We'll never know if those doors had been locked tightly the perpetrators may have been deterred.

It's well documented on this thread that the sliding glass door on King Rd was not being locked.

Either way, it takes about 5 seconds to jimmy open a locked sliding patio door. I've posted now numerous times how it's done.

So what happened?

Which leads me to think... he either knew how to get in with the quickness if locked, or simply slid the door open if unlocked. Did he know which it would be beforehand? Or did he not care because he had a Plan B. That is the question. JMO

 

[Juliet Bravo]

Or did he not care because he had a Plan B. That is the question.

Plan B or not Plan B, that is the question.

(I'll get my coat).

 

[otto]

One similarity between the Chi Omega House that Bundy attacked and 1122 King Rd. is the doors on both houses most people used did not lock properly. We'll never know if those doors had been locked tightly the perpetrators may have been deterred.

It's well documented on this thread that the sliding glass door on King Rd was not being locked.

In Ann Rule's book The Stranger Beside Me the following is said about Chi Omega [p. 232-3]:

When they reached the back door Melanie commented to Leslie that the combination lock was not working. ''This is strange'' she murmured ''The door isn't locked''. Leslie only shrugged. They had been having trouble with the door closing and locking tightly the last few days.

[About 45 minutes later]
When Nita came to the back door she found it standing open. This didn't particularly alarm her because she was aware it had not been working right.

Unbeknownst to Nita, Bundy was in the house.

It almost sounds like they believed that it was okay to have a damaged lock on an exterior exterior because there was safety in numbers. Imagine coming home to find the lock on the front door damaged and thinking - it's broken, no reason to worry.

 

[Warwick7]

 

[TristanP]

Kaylee didn't live there anymore. She wouldn't have sheets on the bed in the bedroom that she formerly rented.

If not in Maddie's room, where would Kaylee sleep? Didn't we read that (per her family) her things were covered in blood, meaning that her travel bag was in Maddie's room?

If not Xana who put the food packaging from her 4 AM food order in the kitchen, then who? Certainly not the murderer. If the food packaging in the kitchen was not from that night, then Xana heard noise from Maddie and Kaylee when she was in her bedroom. She left her bedroom and walked to the stairs next to the kitchen. She called out. Kohberger went after her.

The scale model easily illustrates where everyone was at the time of the murders. Xana was outside of her bedroom when Kohberger discovered that she was awake.

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Kaylee's bed still had bedding on it. It's in the document dump that the cover were pushed back, as if someone had been in the bed and then left it. It's also in the document dump that they all took naps from 6 pm - 8 pm so the bedding being pushed back could have been from that nap, or from Kaylee getting up and going in to Maddie's room.

IIRC previously released documentation had indicated Kaylee had been trying to call Jack and he wasn't answering, and then there were texts/calls from Maddie to Jack also, so it's not unreasonable to think Kaylee was in her room trying to reach him, couldn't, went to Maddie's room to ask her to try and see if she could get a response, and then they both fell asleep in there.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I'm not sure he'll be able to mind his own business (reference the alleged screaming at the prisoner whom BK thought was cursing at BK's mother, but was actually watching sports on TV and talking to it).

A hair-trigger temper and inner rage won't do him well.

That makes me happy to hear. The murderer doesn't have the same odds against maximum level convicts as he did with Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. Innocent, young, sleeping (mostly) adults never expecting any violence invading their home.

Let him pull his extemporaneous speaking expertise "I know everything, you know nothing" crap on these guys and I'd say the murderer would end up on the receiving end of a good smackdown. Works for me.

He's in PC 23 hours per day, for how long or forever, I do not know. I wonder how that will affect him? Who will be there to listen to him brag about how smart, gifted and superior he is?

JMO

 

[Dotta]

That makes me happy to hear. The murderer doesn't have the same odds against maximum level convicts as he did with Maddie, Kaylee, Xana and Ethan. Innocent, young, sleeping (mostly) adults never expecting any violence invading their home.

Let him pull his extemporaneous speaking expertise "I know everything, you know nothing" crap on these guys and I'd say the murderer would end up on the receiving end of a good smackdown. Works for me.

He's in PC 23 hours per day, for how long or forever, I do not know. I wonder how that will affect him? Who will be there to listen to him brag about how smart, gifted and superior he is?

JMO

He might be a legal advisor to other inmates.
(Being educated)
Didn't Ted B. assist other inmates with their legal cases while incarcerated?

Let's not forget BK is cunning & manipulative.
I have a feeling he might carve a niche for himself in prison that will benefit him.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

I don't think he will suffer any more than any other criminal. He seems to be skilled in coercion. He will use that to his advantage in prison.

I watched the video of the police stop where he was speeding. A speeding ticket, per his conversation with the officer, results in demerits on his licence. He knew that, even though he acted as though he didn't.

He immediately offered/agreed that he was not wearing a seatbelt, which is a minor offence with a $10 fine. By controlling the conversation - declaring that he is an honest person who would not lie about whether he was wearing a seatbelt - the officer was almost borderline apologetic for having to give him a ticket for something he didn't know for sure until Kohberger admitted it. He did not get the speeding ticket.

Total Narcissistic Manipulator on the sly when it benefits him. IMO