GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Megnut]

Where did he park? He must have parked close to the house and rushed around to the back slider to avoid the camera picking him up. 4:07: 09 or a couple of seconds later. He was probably inside by 4:08 or earlier.

4:17:32 muffled sounds
4:17:49 barking

4:20:46 Elantra hauls axx out of there from the same direction he left each time.

So he got inside in less than a minute.

The difference in the barking time and passing the camera is approximately 3 minutes give or take.

He may have had 2.5 minutes to get his clothes off at the car and get away.

I'm going to compare against the activity inside times.

It looks like he slaughtered 4 people in 10 minutes.

IMO 10 minutes on the outside (range).

I think there's video of the Elantra at 4:08 iirc. Parking, readying... he could have entered at 4:10 ... exits at 4:17/18. Could have happened in under 7 minutes.

Crazy sad to realize how his timing intersected with the DDD and with XK too.

I don't think we know if the DDD saw XK retrieve her food but -- we don't know whether she ate any of it... but it seems likely that the felon is the reason she stopped watching TikTok at 4:12, if that detail is correct.

IMO the felon heard DM call out, he hurried downstairs, forgetting the sheath, and saw XK coming from her room. Maybe he even heard her tell EC that there was someone there, having encountered the open door. Somehow the felon entered XK's room, where he encountered EC.

If XK walked around the house to get her DD, could she have sat outside to eat? When she came back the slider was open, she set her food down and then went to tell EC someone was there and that's when the felon saw her? As he descended the stairs?

The State is really good IMO at staying away from speculation. Better to leave open questions then to give the Defense an opportunity to debunk the hypothetical.

FWIW I think the felon has full confidence in his ability to be silent.

He was wrong.

In every way there is.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

Where did he park? He must have parked close to the house and rushed around to the back slider to avoid the camera picking him up. 4:07: 09 or a couple of seconds later. He was probably inside by 4:08 or earlier.

4:17:32 muffled sounds
4:17:49 barking

4:20:46 Elantra hauls axx out of there from the same direction he left each time.

So he got inside in less than a minute.

The difference in the barking time and passing the camera is approximately 3 minutes give or take.

He may have had 2.5 minutes to get his clothes off at the car and get away.

I'm going to compare against the activity inside times.

It looks like he slaughtered 4 people in 10 minutes.

At 4:06/7, it looks like he attempted to park on the street, in front of the 1112 camera. Couldn't parallel park. Drive ahead. Executed a 3 pt turn before passing 1112 again. And parking somewhere past 1112 which puts the Elantra even closer to 1122.


JMO

 

[cottonweaver]

At 4:06/7, it looks like he attempted to park on the street, in front of the 1112 camera. Couldn't parallel park. Drive ahead. Executed a 3 pt turn before passing 1112 again. And parking somewhere past 1112 which puts the Elantra even closer to 1122.


JMO

I think so too. In Howard Blum's book he storyified it as being hesitation - as him summoning up the courage to go ahead and commit the crime - but to me it look like initial plan was to street park.


Also noticed that as Dylan said in one of her witness statements, the dog was barking inside during the attacks and then outside- very loudly - as he left. So Murphy came out after he left and barked in the grounds at the back. So loud, this is why he left in a hurry

 

[PinkButtercup]

Also noticed that as Dylan said in one of her witness statements, the dog was barking inside during the attacks and then outside- very loudly - as he left. So Murphy came out after he left and barked in the grounds at the back. So loud, this is why he left in a hurry

I think it is likely that Murphy went out through Kaylee's bedroom slider and on to the third floor balcony to bark. He could have seen the murderer make his escape up behind the house to his vehicle from there.
MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

I think it is likely that Murphy went out through Kaylee's bedroom slider and on to the third floor balcony to bark. He could have seen the murderer make his escape up behind the house to his vehicle from there.
MOO

But none of the attending officers found her slider open when they first toured the house on the next morning. ( All their descriptions have been released)
I'm imagining the poor dog was terrified and went back up and sought comfort back in Kaylee's room.

 

[Chloegirl]

"Driving around and not stopping". I can't get AT out of ny head.

He wasn't even looking for a house, any house. That house was his destination from the moment he entered the neighborhood for the first time (and indeed from August forward IMO).

Devastating to think four young people had only minutes left to live.

Devastating to hear Murphy barking.

The time lapse was chilling. Just knowing what evil he perpetrated.

It is a far bridge from "I don't feel anything" to "since i don't feel anything I'm going to kill people to see how it feels" but it looks like the felon traversed that bridge at mach speed. Four beautiful, feeling lives sacrificed in order for him to exact his wicked experiment -- unfettered power, control, dominance and curiosity. So entirely senseless.

He's a liar too. He DOES feel. He's just an awful human being whose feelings are counter-decency. Counter-humanity. IMO you could see it in his micro-expressions during the victim impact statements. Here he is, a stone cold murderer, and he has the GALL to be irritated, annoyed, smug, superior, angry, offended. From duper's delight to a fixed jaw to feral salivating. No shame. No remorse. Not moved. Proud. Spoke 'guilty' to four murders like he was in a spelling bee.

I don't think he feels bad about the sheath either -- his own incompetence which caught him. Undoubtedly he blames the victims for that. Amazing how people like the felon forgive themselves easily -- not their fault EVER.

Tragically he doesn't value what the rest of us do -- freedom, family, friends, careers, purpose, intimacy -- has no issue stealing it from other peopke without so much as a shrug, and no deterrent. I don't think he much enjoyed life -- education, exercise, TAing, etc. IMO he tolerated all that while getting off on manipulating people. He had the uncanny ability to see everyone as beneath him. Exceot those who were above him whom IMO he deemed himself a peer. Chummy with professors, traffic police, arresting officers. Total inflated ego.

Life in segregation probably suits him. He's his favorite person.

What matters is that he's behind bar, for the protection of the public.

It's terrifying to watching his Elantra looping. Unnerving to know this wasn't even his first time. 20+ times. During the dark of night when he has no business being there.

It is why we are instinctively afraid of the dark.

You look out your window and see nothing.

But a figure, protected by shadows, can see you, plain as day.

They walk among us.

And that's the scariest thing of all.

JMO

DM might be a bit of a hero. I think she foiled his plan to eliminate them all by yelling, the dog barking (go Murphy!) and the struggle/noise of bad-a$$ XK. Then she looped BF into the equation and escaped downstairs to shake and hit fuge state. Yowza. We will never understand fully. JMOO

Her body was responding by doing all of this at once:

What Happens During Fight-or-Flight Response?

Stressful situations can come out of nowhere — and our bodies react accordingly as a way to protect us. Here’s what happens when you go into a fight, flight, freeze or fawn response and how to manage it.

health.clevelandclinic.org

Dissociative fugue - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Ghostwheel]

I agree. Hard to let the possibility go.

We know he used VPNs. Maybe he scheduled his posts, accounting for some after arrest.

IMO LE must know who it is to be so certain.

JMO

Maybe it was someone who knew BK and spoke with him about the murders and was trying to point in his direction without anyone knowing who the person behind it was. MAYBE it's someone who does not want to be identified at all, but sent in tips. As a possibility.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

The video, obtained by NewsNation and first reported by the Idaho Statesman, shows Kohberger making several passes by the victims’ home between 3:30 a.m. and 4:20 a.m. on Nov. 13, 2022. Moscow Police released the footage Wednesday following a public records request.

The 2015 sedan, which didn’t have a front license plate required in Pennsylvania where it was registered, appeared four separate times on the neighbor’s security camera at 1112 King Road.

Timeline of Bryan Kohberger’s movements​

• 3:30 a.m. – White vehicle enters neighborhood, drives south on King Road, turns east onto Queen Road
• 3:33 a.m. – Vehicle returns west on Queen Road, turns north onto King Road and leaves
• 3:38 a.m. – Second pass through same route
• 3:40 a.m. – Vehicle exits neighborhood again
• 3:56 a.m. – Third pass begins
• 3:58 a.m. – Vehicle exits for third time
• 4:04 a.m. – Final entry into neighborhood
• 4:07 a.m. – Kohberger completes three-point turn in King Road cul-de-sac, heads toward 1122 King Road
• 4:20 a.m. – Vehicle speeds away “at a high rate of speed” on Queen Road

Prosecutors believe Kohberger committed the murders during a 13-minute window when his car was not visible on camera.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/crime/idaho-college-killings/video-bryan-kohbergers-car-idaho-murder-scene/

 

[ShadyLady]

IMO 10 minutes on the outside (range).

I think there's video of the Elantra at 4:08 iirc. Parking, readying... he could have entered at 4:10 ... exits at 4:17/18. Could have happened in under 7 minutes.

Crazy sad to realize how his timing intersected with the DDD and with XK too.

I don't think we know if the DDD saw XK retrieve her food but -- we don't know whether she ate any of it... but it seems likely that the felon is the reason she stopped watching TikTok at 4:12, if that detail is correct.

IMO the felon heard DM call out, he hurried downstairs, forgetting the sheath, and saw XK coming from her room. Maybe he even heard her tell EC that there was someone there, having encountered the open door. Somehow the felon entered XK's room, where he encountered EC.

If XK walked around the house to get her DD, could she have sat outside to eat? When she came back the slider was open, she set her food down and then went to tell EC someone was there and that's when the felon saw her? As he descended the stairs?

The State is really good IMO at staying away from speculation. Better to leave open questions then to give the Defense an opportunity to debunk the hypothetical.

FWIW I think the felon has full confidence in his ability to be silent.

He was wrong.

In every way there is.

JMO

I still can't understand how he did not leave bloody prints after he left the last room he entered. XK's room.

 

[cottonweaver]

Gray Hughes thinks it 's an attempt at a 3 point turn in middle of the road rather than an attempt to street park.

He's done a full analysis with some extra camera footage. 30 minute vid and somehow less upsetting than watching that Idaho Statesman one.

 

[Megnut]

I still can't understand how he did not leave bloody prints after he left the last room he entered. XK's room.

The blood was concentrated in the bed IMO.

He is pure evil, minus any genius.

JMO

 

[ShadyLady]

and remarkable that MPD documents showed that it took one and a half weeks to get this footage from this house cam . Takes you to Statesman's youtube page

Idaho Statesman

Founded in July 1864, the Idaho Statesman is the most widely read newspaper in the state of Idaho. As we near our 150th year of operation, we continue to bring you the best in business, political, recreation and other local news from Ada and Canyon counties.

www.youtube.com

awful to see . sickening to hear those noises start at 4.16 prior to the clip we already heard
Hope to God that none of the families are tempted to watch it

ETA around 4.21 - is that the sounds of his engine accelerating? almost like a heavy bass

OMG...poor dog could not protect his loved ones. He knew something was happening.

 

[cottonweaver]

OMG...poor dog could not protect his loved ones. He knew something was happening.

Our last dog was run towards the threat. Alpha female.
The one before her - same breed - he was run away but bark later as the threat receded.

Poor Murphy.

Anyway, he is rotting away, tormented in that cell 23x7 and all his errors are eating him up inside. Gotta hold onto something

 

[Vaderman]

Wow. Now to find a copy of the video that doesn't interrupt every MINUTE with a LONG and UNskippable ad! Man. I don't mind ads, but 1 a minute? Actually, I think I saw more than 8. I wish I had made a tick mark from the beginning but I didn't know they'd be so often, long and annoying! Due to that I'll never buy an Insinkerator (the obnoxious ad). I doubt that's what they want their ads to do with potential customers. (Turn them away from their products) Sheesh.

I found the YouTube link that wasn't interrupted by countless ads (minus one before the video starts):

Link

 

[schooling]

I believe it when they say Pappa Rodger wasn't BK because the declaration is made with such certainty. I get the feeling that various angles were explored (and maybe they even know who Pappa Rodger actually was), but I wish the WHY of how they know it was NOT BK would be released so I could believe-believe it. The resemblance of that avatar is just too uncanny.

When you ask people why they think Pappa Rodger's is BK the top two answers are typically the mentioning of the knife sheath in late November and the image of Pappa Rodger (many people claiming it's a "AI Generated" image but the only Image gen models out in 2022 were DIY styled, MOO).

The image was posted on DeviantArt (a portfolio site) in 2013 and drawn by a Chinese artist (MOO). And regarding the Kabar and sheath on 11/16/2022 only a few days after the murder there was a news article citing that LE was looking for a Kabar knife. People were speculating here and elsewehere that sheath was found. Few weeks before Pappa Rodgers did.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article268833397.html#storylink=cpy

Ka-Bar knives are about 6 inches long and “similar to the knife Rambo has,” Jutte said, with a blade on one side and a serrated edge on the other. The knives Moscow Building Supply sells are primarily used for hunting, he said. “(Ka-Bar) is more of a combat knife,” Jutte said. “It’s not really something that we specialize in.” Ka-Bar knives were issued by the U.S. Marine Corps in the 1940s, according to the company’s website. They were later adopted by other branches of the military. Today, the company’s knives are widely used by survivalists and outdoorsmen. A Ka-Bar representative did not return a Statesman request for comment Wednesday.

"This story was originally published November 16, 2022 at 2:38 PM.
"

Even the Peacock special failed to fact check the young ladies who claimed that the knife wasn't reported about before Pappa Rodgers. That's false.

These are the things that have kept this thing alive. That and whenever he gets something right it's usually things that other people were also speculating about. It's just that Pappa Rodger had a creepy habit of framing his speculation as questions.

But whenever Pappa Rodger got somehting wrong people would dismiss it as him trying to throw off authorities.

He was wrong on almost anything that could be proven. He was wildly off about the location of the bodies. He was wildly off about the state of the crime scene. He was widely off about the method of entry of the intruder.

The only reason this thing still is kicking is that when he's right he's right and when he's wrong he's right (because he's trying to throw off authorities).

All of the above is MOO

 

[schooling]

MODS I hope this is OK since my post is to help debunk something in the Peacock special. The claim that was made on the special that no one (hyperbole or not) was talking about the knife or sheath. And that Pappa Rodger was the first when LE hadn't released that information.

I already easily debunked the Kabar thing via the reporting a full 14 days before Pappa Rodger post. Even TMZ reported on the Kabar on 11/17.

Regarding the sheath. Last year I did a DEEP dive into Pappa Rodgers. Spent a lot of time attempting to debunk this very issue often cited as proof. Here's a random link from that file....on 11/20/2022 via Reddit....

"Here-say: Cops found a sheath at the scene. If that’s the case and it’s new, maybe that’s why they are looking for a recent purchase."

That's 10 days before the post Pappa Rodger gets credit for 'knowing something only the killer could know'. Even the FBI agent Jennifer gave him credit (I believe she's since deleted that post). I wish I labeled my links but there are posts from as early as 11/15 referencing speculation about a sheath.

Unforunately I have no mainstream reporting to support the drawing. But with a little effort the original post from 2013 can be easily found on archive.org

NBC should be ashamed of themselves

ALL MOO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[Gemmie]

When you ask people why they think Pappa Rodger's is BK the top two answers are typically the mentioning of the knife sheath in late November and the image of Pappa Rodger (many people claiming it's a "AI Generated" image but the only Image gen models out in 2022 were DIY styled, MOO).

The image was posted on DeviantArt (a portfolio site) in 2013 and drawn by a Chinese artist (MOO).

SBMFF

To the best of my knowledge, the artist, Yi Xu, made a photorealistic portrait of an unknown old soldier which is the image used on Pappa Rodger's page.

"In this piece I tried to archive photograph effect and to learn some lighting and hair techniques. The reference is some image from the net".

Software used: 3ds Max, Zbrush, Photoshop, V-Ray.

Source of the above: Portraits Of The 21st Century: The Most Photorealistic 3D Renderings Of Human Beings | Blog

There's a lot of info on the above link and Yi Xu's "Soldier" is almost to the bottom. Search the page for Soldier and it'll take you right there.

Note that the article was dated December 8, 2013 so the image had to have been made before then. Also note that BK would have been barely 19 at the oldest (if Yi did that image the day of the article (I can safely say they didn't)) it would put BK at 19 yrs, and 17 days.



Age tool HERE.

 

[LadyL]

Except... at some point XK must have opened the door. We know she had a flashlight -- so some combination of the door and that flashlight might account for what BF saw/heard. Far as we know the felon never went to that level, only XK. Makes sense to me that BF would have heard her, just wouldn't know what the sights and sounds corresponded to, and that the crimes followed close on the heels of that suggests to me she lumped it all together.

Imagine if XK had survived the felon. So much she could have testified to. Timing. Sounds. What if anything she heard of the felon, Murphy, KG and DM...

JMO

I know we don't know all the small details, so we're speculating based on personal experience about this. I was thinking the DD dropped the bag of food at the door without any contact with Xana. That's pretty common with food delivery, at least where I am. Also, as far as we know, the DDD never mentioned contact with Xana when she mentioned seeing the murderer. But like I said, could be your scenario, could be mine, could be many others, or we could all be wrong.

 

[Tillyjames]

Footage of the DDD arriving, walking around in search of 1122 King, then departing just before 4:01. The felon was in and out of the neighborhood beginning around 3:30. Circling back on his final spproach around 4:06. Iirc another camera picked him up at 4:08...

And he sped away just before 4:21. Fifteen minutes. To park. To approach. To enter. To slaughter four victims. To exit. To mitigate. To drive away.

A swath of incalculable destruction.

All because he wanted to.

May the four victims be remembered for being all the things naturally that the felon could never be.

JMO

It is honestly boggling how close in time the door delivery was and him going into the house is…