GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Warwick7]

It was brought to my attention that Grok suggested a flashlight could be the most likely explanation that BF saw under her door. In the beginning I was against a flashlight, but Im I'm not not now.

After I heard about the beer pong table being moved and the plastic cups hitting the floor 2 things poked at my brain.

1. BF could hear very well from her room.
2. There was a scuffle or attack in the living room.

Do we really know for a fact he did not go down the next set of steps? I ask because if flashlight was on his person, and there was a violent scuffle in the living room. A violent thrust could cause a flashlight to be thrown over that half wall outside Xana's room. It could have bounced off of a few stairs and landed somewhere near Bethany's room. All of which could mimic the sounds of a fire cracker and flashing light under her door.

It could also explain the horizontal imprint over Kaylee's mouth. If she started kicking him and he dropped his knife for a second (which I definitely think he did), he could use his hands as well as the flashlight over her mouth to stop her from screaming.

It could also explain what Dylan saw as he walked past carrying something infront of him. Especially if he did grab a towel or someone's shirt to wrap around the knife. Knife, towel, flashlight.

He was thrown off kilter through out this violent murder. Who's to say he didn't quickly run down the stairs, grab the flashlight, run back up, see Xana attempting to stand up, tell her he was there to help her, attack her again, there's a thud as he leaves.

Someone could say there was no blood down there. How do we know there wasn't? We are just learning that there was a bit of blood on the beer pong table...etc...

 

[Helechawagirl]

It was brought to my attention that Grok suggested a flashlight could be the most likely explanation that BF saw under her door. In the beginning I was against a flashlight, but Im I'm not not now.

After I heard about the beer pong table being moved and the plastic cups hitting the floor 2 things poked at my brain.

1. BF could hear very well from her room.
2. There was a scuffle or attack in the living room.

Do we really know for a fact he did not go down the next set of steps? I ask because if flashlight was on his person, and there was a violent scuffle in the living room. A violent thrust could cause a flashlight to be thrown over that half wall outside Xana's room. It could have bounced off of a few stairs and landed somewhere near Bethany's room. All of which could mimic the sounds of a fire cracker and flashing light under her door.

It could also explain the horizontal imprint over Kaylee's mouth. If she started kicking him and he dropped his knife for a second (which I definitely think he did), he could use his hands as well as the flashlight over her mouth to stop her from screaming.

It could also explain what Dylan saw as he walked past carrying something infront of him. Especially if he did grab a towel or someone's shirt to wrap around the knife. Knife, towel, flashlight.

He was thrown off kilter through out this violent murder. Who's to say he didn't quickly run down the stairs, grab the flashlight, run back up, see Xana attempting to stand up, tell her he was there to help her, attack her again, there's a thud as he leaves.

Someone could say there was no blood down there. How do we know there wasn't? We are just learning that there was a bit of blood on the beer pong table...etc...

My first thought was Taser, but there’s no known evidence to support that. A camera flash was another thought but I discarded that as well. It’s an odd mystery.

 

[girlhasnoname]

I agree, and while some do not agree with Thompson’s decision and put intentions on him that do not reflect his life of service- I don’t.

While we are far away from this case, he was not, Judge H was not, the community was not- they lived it every day and know it in ways I never will.
If they have the power to keep this case as closed off from the public as they did, I think they can prevent those photos from coming out, or at least try.

Still, was it known by Bill T and Judge H that BK could file an appeal? Even if the plea deal said he was waiving that Constitutional Right?

I am not sure a person, even in custody, can negotiate away their Constitutional Rights

If it is legally sound for him to do so, the families should have known when the plea deal was crafted. If BK does file an appeal, it isn’t like his decision will be a big secret!
I do not know if it is legal or possible- but if he can then Thompson knew that and my views about him become very different very different!

IMO

It's SOP for the murderer (or any murderer) to be able to file an appeal. It would take an extreme, and I do mean extreme, measure for it to amount to anything. It is merely a judicial technicality.

This murderer isn't going anywhere until he comes out in a pine box. Which is exactly the way it should be IMO.

JMO

 

[girlhasnoname]

Bolded and italicized by me.

As per your snippet, @girlhasnoname, I don’t read where the findings of the Dateline investigation will not be shared with the prosecutor, defense, or Judge Hippler, but rather the ongoing investigation details will not be shared.

Am I misunderstanding?

Good question, I honestly don't know. I can see how it could be interpreted both ways. I found it odd myself that they wouldn't know, especially if it were someone from their side of the case.

JMO

 

[Helechawagirl]

In some of the coverage, they’ve mentioned that Kaylee thought she had a stalker, had seen someone in the books lurking, etc so my question is, why would they routinely leave their door unlocked?

Oftentimes, burglars simply go house to house in a neighborhood trying doorknobs, and the one that’s unlocked gets robbed.

I’m not victim shaming; I’m just pointing out that someone who was so diligent about personal safety ignored a basic survival method. Perhaps the other occupants were not as aware.

The other thing that gets me is when reporters constantly show people saying “Nothing like this happens here. Every. Single. Time. I wish they would stop that. It gives a false sense of security.

The truth is that crime happens everywhere. And criminals don’t come with flashing neon lights. There’s a song..”All my friends are heathens.” There’s a verse that says something like ‘you’ll never know the psychopath sitting next to you
You'll never know the murderer sitting next to you
You'll think, "How'd I get here, sitting next to you?"

How many of us have a plan for self-defense if we are attacked at home in bed? Drowsy, intoxicated, tired—they had no chance.

I wish more safety info was promoted. For example, I planted bushes with thorns underneath all my windows. I hang bells on my doors so if I hear those bells in the middle of the night, I have a few seconds to call 911, etc. Assume danger and you can call a false alarm later.

I also make a mental note of what I have near my bed that could be used as a weapon—a plant—can use the soil to temporarily blind them, a chair under the doorknob to slow them down, a lamp to use as a bludgeoning object. Just thinking about it improves your odds.

There was a report by a young woman that lived near the girls. A few nights prior to the attacks, someone tried her doorknob but couldn’t get in.

What if BK was scouting several places and just had easy access that night?

I also wonder if the problems he was having with his TA job acted as a trigger—“I’ve lost everything so what’s the use? Rage at those who seemingly have it easier.

All SK’s have been humiliated at some point or points in their lives. That rage festers until it blows up. Then, there’s a cooling off period.

Anyway, BK does seem to have some unique backstory—having overcome some huge life obstacles—and I wonder if choosing the career path that he did was his way of trying to channel his inclinations into something positive?

I’ve read that many CEO’s are psychopaths as well. If the brains are similar, then it would seem that nurture can overcome nature.

I’ve also heard of research and treatment into treating the temporal lobe and establishing the connections that allow a person to feel empathy. Still in its infancy—being used to help children who were neglected from birth and didn’t form a bond with anyone. Some success but expensive.

Anyway, just sharing as there may be someone in this group with the expertise or connections to further our knowledge. (Just my random adhd brain pondering things.) it’s okay to delete this msg., but perhaps there’s someone who needs to have this info.)

 

[Helechawagirl]

It's SOP for the murderer (or any murderer) to be able to file an appeal. It would take an extreme, and I do mean extreme, measure for it to amount to anything. It is merely a judicial technicality.

This murderer isn't going anywhere until he comes out in a pine box. Which is exactly the way it should be IMO.

JMO

Yes. You can sue anybody for anything—but that doesn’t mean you’ll win!

 

[Missyrocks5]

Am I misunderstanding where the camera was from the audio portion of the video? I thought that Brian Entin said that the barking dog is coming from inside the house of the adjacent neighbor's house, not the murder house? To my ears, it sounds like a bigger dog that is barking. In other words, is that Murphy barking? I thought that it is a dog inside the house of a neighbor because the slider at the murder was open? Or is it Murphy barking?

Either way, a dog barking that loudly plus seeing Dylan is why he got out of there IMO. That is probably a very big reason why Dylan is still around, in addition to having to fend off poor Xana & exhaustion, he probably thought the knife was too dull by that point. Just horrific, absolutely horrific. The real life Michael Myers, except one that does speak and lies and manipulates like the serpent he is.

 

[cottonweaver]

Am I misunderstanding where the camera was from the audio portion of the video? I thought that Brian Entin said that the barking dog is coming from inside the house of the adjacent neighbor's house, not the murder house? To my ears, it sounds like a bigger dog that is barking. In other words, is that Murphy barking? I thought that it is a dog inside the house of a neighbor because the slider at the murder was open? Or is it Murphy barking?

Either way, a dog barking that loudly plus seeing Dylan is why he got out of there IMO. That is probably a very big reason why Dylan is still around, in addition to having to fend off poor Xana & exhaustion, he probably thought the knife was too dull by that point. Just horrific, absolutely horrific. The real life Michael Myers, except one that does speak and lies and manipulates like the serpent he is.

Yes, we assume that was Murphy

According to the responding officers' descriptions - MPD uploads - the back slider was found open, Kaylee's bedroom door was found open, Kaylee's slider was closed.

So he didn't close the slider door when he exited the house after the murders and Murphy was ' free' to roam

Both survivors - and I believe a neighbour - also described the sound of Murphy barking outside at one point or another. ( Extracts of those MPD documents were mostly uploaded onto WS a fortnight ago if you want to re-find the discussions) Nobody ever described hearing a second dog.

As the barking dog gets closer to a mic or when there's no walls to muffle it, the bark will sound as if it comes from a 'larger chested' dog but I can't help on the Entin front. I only watched Gray Hughs' analysis because he's meticulous enough for me

 

[twall]

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[Missyrocks5]

Yes, we assume that was Murphy

According to the responding officers' descriptions - MPD uploads - the back slider was found open, Kaylee's bedroom door was found open, Kaylee's slider was closed.

So he didn't close the slider door when he exited the house after the murders and Murphy was ' free' to roam

Both survivors - and I believe a neighbour - also described the sound of Murphy barking outside at one point or another. ( Extracts of those MPD documents were mostly uploaded onto WS a fortnight ago if you want to re-find the discussions) Nobody ever described hearing a second dog.

As the barking dog gets closer to a mic or when there's no walls to muffle it, the bark will sound as if it comes from a 'larger chested' dog but I can't help on the Entin front. I only watched Gray Hughs' analysis because he's meticulous enough for me

I just listened to Brian Entin's last video where he broke down this release with, I forget if the guy is formerly with the FBI or he's an investigator. Anyway, halfway through the video, Brian E says that he just spoke with Kaylee's sister, and she does not believe that that was Murphy. She knows Murphy's bark, and she does not believe it was him.

The FBI or investigator guy said that he also assumes that, based on how close and loud the bark was, that it was coming from inside the house of the neighbor. That it was the neighbor's dog. To me, it just sounds like a big dog rather than a smaller doodle.

I always wondered if the inmate closed the door to Maddie's room after because it never made sense to me that, if Murphy was in Kaylee's room with a door that was open, and if Maddie's room was open, wouldn't Murphy have gone into the room looking for his mom? Wouldn't he have blood all over him if he did after jumping on that bed? So that just makes me question all of that. Only the inmate knows for sure, but also it just proves again how wonderful animals are. If it was the neighbor's dog, he was very in tune with what was going on. If it was poor Murphy, we all always say, he is a trauma victim also.

 

[Megnut]

I just listened to Brian Entin's last video where he broke down this release with, I forget if the guy is formerly with the FBI or he's an investigator. Anyway, halfway through the video, Brian E says that he just spoke with Kaylee's sister, and she does not believe that that was Murphy. She knows Murphy's bark, and she does not believe it was him.

The FBI or investigator guy said that he also assumes that, based on how close and loud the bark was, that it was coming from inside the house of the neighbor. That it was the neighbor's dog. To me, it just sounds like a big dog rather than a smaller doodle.

I always wondered if the inmate closed the door to Maddie's room after because it never made sense to me that, if Murphy was in a room with a door that was open, and if Maddie's room was open, wouldn't Murphy have gone into the room looking for his mom? Wouldn't he have blood all over him if he did after jumping on that bed? So that just makes me question all of that. Only the inmate knows for sure, but also it just proves again how wonderful animals are. If it was the neighbor's dog, he was very in tune with what was going on. If it was poor Murphy, we all always say, he is a trauma victim also.

There's a thought! Maybe the felon did shut MM's door. I keeeeeenly recall AT's voice saying Murphy was in a room without a closed door. I've followed enough trials in general and listened to enough of her in particular to be on alert for statements like these. Why say it? How convenient to represent to the Court court of public opinion that Murphy had free rein of the house because KaG's door wasn't closed if MM's was.

FWIW in the newly released photos, there's one of the slider/patio in which footprints are visible. Also visible two fresh circles of yellow snow (not all male dogs find trees and bushes). With an open door to the yard, it's possible Murphy let himself out once or twice before he was recovered by police, it would at least potential better explain how he went for so long.

I wonder if we'll ever find out definitively whether Murphy was the barker. I'll never forget the testimony in the OJ trial about the plaintive wail a witness heard around the time of the murders.

Dogs know things.

JMO

 

[Missyrocks5]

There's a thought! Maybe the felon did shut MM's door. I keeeeeenly recall AT's voice saying Murphy was in a room without a closed door. I've followed enough trials in general and listened to enough of her in particular to be on alert for statements like these. Why say it? How convenient to represent to the Court court of public opinion that Murphy had free rein of the house because KaG's door wasn't closed if MM's was.

FWIW in the newly released photos, there's one of the slider/patio in which footprints are visible. Also visible two fresh circles of yellow snow (not all male dogs find trees and bushes). With an open door to the yard, it's possible Murphy let himself out once or twice before he was recovered by police, it would at least potential better explain how he went for so long.

I wonder if we'll ever find out definitively whether Murphy was the barker. I'll never forget the testimony in the OJ trial about the plaintive wail a witness heard around the time of the murders.

Dogs know things.

JMO

So true. I also remember about OJ. And the reason that her Akita did not bark is because he knew him. That was absolutely one of the clues to anyone who denies that it was OJ was that her Akita didn't bark because he knew OJ. Here, only the inmate, who is a manipulative liar, knows. I know there are folks who have hypothesized that when Kaylee had told that when she let Murphy out to do his business that he would disappear into the bushes for a while and she thought someone was watching her. They theorize that maybe the inmate was giving treats to Murphy so that he would not bark when he came to the house to kill. Again, only the inmate knows.

 

[Megnut]

If KG thought she had a stalker, I wonder how she determined that she was the target and not any of the other roommates. She was probably pleased and relieved to move away, confident that that would put an end to it.

I wonder if the felon messed with the doors ahead of time. Locks, hinges... planning ahead or failed attempts?

Was it the felon in the shadows? No phone because he was preparers to seize and opportunity?

Was watching? Surveiling? Testing his stealth? Seeing how close he could get?

What if it wasn't KG he was stalking but Murphy? And not stalking but grooming?

If I recall correctly one of those incidents occurred a week and a half earlier, when Murphy didn't return on demand. So KG was there? When did she move out?

Aware of a dog, maybe the felon thought he'd get farther with bacon in his pocket.

Man, how I wish the felon would have tripped, on his way in, on that random living room step and fallen on his sword.

JMO

 

[Vern]

Did the Door Dash person take a picture of the delivery on the front door step? My cell has a flash setting on the camera I think.

I'm thinking that it's entirely possible that when XD opened the front door to grab her order, that the headlights from the DDD's car flashed into the house momentarily followed by XD swinging the door shut with a small 'bang'. Possible too that if BF heard the bang first, that it was the DDD's car door shutting after she returned to the car, followed by her lights flashing into the doorway as XD opened it.

Plenty of possibilities that are not BK related and that make sense for BF to have experienced down on the bottom floor.

 

[DizzyB]

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The framed butterfly poster-can someone tell me whose room this is?

 

[Warwick7]

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We can see that the red Solo cups are spilled on the floor. Things are starting to eventually match up with what Bethany said.

 

[cottonweaver]

We can see that the red Solo cups are spilled on the floor. Things are starting to eventually match up with what Bethany said.

blood was found on that table (it's in Snyder's photo inventory)


BTW. In other places, people are claiming the released photos show blurred images of the murdered victims. They don't, in case anybody is wondering ( Thompson already said no photos of bodies would ever be released and I vaguely recall Hippler also saying autopsies would also be kept sealed. I believe they will have kept to that promise)

For example, people are claiming that is EC blurred out on a bed but the blurred portion doesn't fit the LEOs descriptions of how his body was found re North, South etc.

 

[Betty P]

It was brought to my attention that Grok suggested a flashlight could be the most likely explanation that BF saw under her door. In the beginning I was against a flashlight, but Im I'm not not now.

After I heard about the beer pong table being moved and the plastic cups hitting the floor 2 things poked at my brain.

1. BF could hear very well from her room.
2. There was a scuffle or attack in the living room.

Do we really know for a fact he did not go down the next set of steps? I ask because if flashlight was on his person, and there was a violent scuffle in the living room. A violent thrust could cause a flashlight to be thrown over that half wall outside Xana's room. It could have bounced off of a few stairs and landed somewhere near Bethany's room. All of which could mimic the sounds of a fire cracker and flashing light under her door.

It could also explain the horizontal imprint over Kaylee's mouth. If she started kicking him and he dropped his knife for a second (which I definitely think he did), he could use his hands as well as the flashlight over her mouth to stop her from screaming.

It could also explain what Dylan saw as he walked past carrying something infront of him. Especially if he did grab a towel or someone's shirt to wrap around the knife. Knife, towel, flashlight.

He was thrown off kilter through out this violent murder. Who's to say he didn't quickly run down the stairs, grab the flashlight, run back up, see Xana attempting to stand up, tell her he was there to help her, attack her again, there's a thud as he leaves.

Someone could say there was no blood down there. How do we know there wasn't? We are just learning that there was a bit of blood on the beer pong table...etc...

GH has a video in which he discusses the possibility that Xana used a flashlight to go downstairs to the front door to retrieve her DD delivery. BF was probably half asleep and didn’t realize the noise she heard actually happened a few minutes after she saw the light.

 

[Chloegirl]

I value WS more and more each day. Let me explain. The Idaho Statesman recently released surveillance video and it is being commented on all over the interweb. People keep talking about motions in the house, lighting at windows, somebody walking out of a door at 3:34. It is very clear they think that this is the house where the murders occurred. IT IS NOT.

The speculation begins over and over based on what happened on on that surveillance video, which is about the car and its movements -- not the house seen across the road. Count the windows, look at the door setup, the vehicles in the lot. Not the same house. But people are happy to misreport, not verify, and not even question what address they are looking at before spinning conspiracy theories.

I just want to say this makes me appreciate WS moderators. It is easy to jump ahead with your brain instead of verifying. So I have learned how to slow down and not jump in with two feet. Occasionally your brain still gets ahead of you but you get my point. JMOO

 

[Megnut]

The framed butterfly poster-can someone tell me whose room this is?

By elimination, maybe DM's. Another bedroom photo shows a long curtain which I am guessing covers KG's slider.

JMO