GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[LinasK]

I remember reading that he was exonerated in this?
Or am I mistaken?
Also, wasn't the perp much shorter than BK?

Apparently he wasn't exonerated, they just didn't have records of him being there. Not having records doesn't mean that he didn't show up.

 

[Megnut]

Great link, Mass Guy

a bit more

“What we learned is, he prepared,” Heather Barnhart, Senior Director of Forensic Research at Cellebrite, told The Independent.
' Now, as more details began to trickle out through previously sealed police reports and court documents, the team is revealing to The Independent what they learned about the killer through his digital footprint.
The Cellebrite team had uncovered files scrubbed from devices, searches routed through VPNs, and deep downloads about serial killers — all of which, they say, painted a chilling picture of obsession and planning.
“He didn’t just Google these cases,” Heather said. “He downloaded full PDFs of case files. Not once, but repeatedly. He was downloading detailed reports on serial killers,” including Danny Rolling, who also murdered college students using a similar knife.
“This wasn’t casual browsing. This was meticulous research,” she added.

( A lot of Websleuthers here mentioned Danny Rolling )

another WS-er can paste the bit about his ' incessant' attempts to contact Mother and family
It's probably the most informative article we've seen in a fortnight

If academic research, no need to scrub.

He scrubbed.

He was doing his own research for his own reasons.

And his reasons were all bad.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

Right. The description doesn't match BK and BK was on the other side of the country at the time. Still, people will run with it.

jmopinion

We don't know that he was on the other side of the country at the time. Where's the proof that he was???

 

[Dotta]

Apparently he wasn't exonerated, they just didn't have records of him being there. Not having records doesn't mean that he didn't show up.

There are many other crazies out there,
not only BK.
The height doesn't match.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

There are many other crazies out there,
not only BK.
The height doesn't match.

JMO

Still doesn't exonerate him. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Height descriptions can vary.

 

[Dotta]

Still doesn't exonerate him. Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable. Height descriptions can vary.

Was anything reported about bushy eyebrows??
Nope??

 

[Megnut]

Really good read about Kohberger’s efforts to thwart investigators:

“Forensic analysis revealed that Kohberger’s phone had only four periods of total inactivity, dating back to June 2022. One of those silent moments occurred on the night of the murders.

He didn’t just lose signal or run out of battery,” Jared explained. “This was an actual button press, power off, on purpose, and then a power back two hours later. And in the middle of that, four people were killed.”

To determine exactly what happened during that two-hour window on the night of the murders, the Cellebrite team re-created the digital environment and studied call logs.

“Turning off your phone isn’t enough,” Heather said. “You have to disable Wi-Fi, disable cellular, then power down. And that’s what he did.”

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.independent.co.uk

Wiped his devices, used VPNs and during the critical crime window, he didn't just turn his phone off. He disabled wi-fi and disabled cellular before powering it off.

Kind of flies in the face of the feeble, impaired, incapable branding AT was pitching.

JMO

 

[LAMARQ]

I haven't seen an official link to the documents...only others posting on it. I think it is mostly screenshots from the video from the Today show.

Thank you. I've only seen a few.

 

[Arkay]

Of course! I was Dx with ADHD in 1995 (also dx me with the Asp!), my mother was also before me Dx with ADHD but with Bipolar and OCD as well. I also suspect Autism because girls weren't Dx with it till my mother was in her late 20's (70's and 80's), then adult women weren't till she was almost in her 60's.

Anyway....

I do know psychopathy/ASPD, they can't diagnosis till someone hits 16 in the USA. I know this because my one cousin on my mother's side, his oldest son was Dx with it because he not only tried to murder one of hi two brothers by trying to lunge across the dinner table and stable him with the knife to chasing one around the house with a butcher knife, but got sent to juvi for other crimes. Usually anti-social norms like that are usual pre-curses for the Dx.

Then her older brother, my mom is adopted, was Dx in his 20's with paranoid schizophrenia during the 80's and it's hereditary because they had an uncle who had it too, thought little blue squirrels were listen to him and reporting back to the government.

Then on my father's side, I have fraternal twin cousins, one is a non-speaking with Autism.

Then I have one ex, he went to see a psychiatrist for one thing (ADHD!), got Dx with NPD instead!

And I'm going back to school for forensic psychology, main focus on cluster B of dark triad, cults, and similar stuff.

I'm mostly prefacing this so anyone coming across, can understand, why I question BK's diagnosis because he was going for his PhD in criminology, same with forensic psychology, where you have to take a few psychology courses including on cluster b where they focus on dark triad of psychopathy/sociopathy, npd so you can better understand the criminal profile of serial offenders. Which means, this is my theory, he learned about psychopathy, what are the odds he then learned about autism more in the psychology classes freshman year, then realized he is a psychopath, then with wide spread info online since 2020 on TikTok about Autism... I truly think he exaggerated just enough during his evaluation with Rachel Lawson Orr, PsyD, ABPP-CN. No where online for her bio states anything outside of Autism/ADHD/Learning Disorders, which means she doesn't have any specialty training under her belt for Cluster B of dark triad like Ramsland or FBI trained John Douglas who help create the BSU and now is called the BAU. Rachel could have missed all the psychopathy subtle signs of glibness being used on her and thought he was just being "nice", "warm", "shy". There are plenty of psychopaths/sociopaths who are "shy" and "nice", Ed Kemper/Co-Ed Killer was one of those guys! Not all people who operate like this are extroverted, most are Ambiverts, which is introverted around strangers or people you don't trust, but extroverted around people you know and trust.

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I've been typing up brief summaries of what's contained in all the MPD reports. If anyone finds this helpful, I'll keep going (meant to do this when they came out but then life happened)

MPD Reports - General Narrative - Supplement 50 - Google Drive

drive.google.com

1 – First responder crime scene report (with graphic details)
2 – First responder crime scene report (with graphic details)
3 – First responder crime scene report + on scene interview with DM + BF, crime scene entry log (with graphic details)
4- First responder report – footprints outside, conversation with Jack + neighbours
5 – XK’s father at scene + convo w/ XK father + sister @ PD
6 – scene security logging who entered/exited
7 – walk-through of scene + death notifications to families (with details)
8 – Investigation re: knife sheath at scene, Walmart staff report man asking to buy ski-mask few weeks prior, interview with witness PR? RR? re: night before murders (some details)
9 – Scene security log, cadaver dog used to try to locate a blood trail
10 – Patrol Officer’s report King Road area night of 11/12 – 11/13, saw individuals heading to 1122, finished patrol 3am (detailed)
11 – MM’s friend JS contacts police. Spent most of night with MM at corner club and grub truck. (detailed)
12 – Search of dumpsters at/near 1122 King. Nothing of evidentiary value
13 – Review of CCTV from 11/12 – 11/13 at Corner Club and Grub Truck (detailed descriptions)
14 – General walkthrough of scene and surrounding area to look for evidence, spoke to neighbour, collected blood and blue powder/rolled $2 bill from 1122 King
15 - Multiple follow up on unrelated tips – shady guy at Women’s Centre, guy with cuts on hands, other very redacted tips possibly related to ex bf JD
16 – More tips – male acquaintance of MM being handsy at Corner Club 11/12-11/13, got kicked out. Tip about another sketchy guy, very redacted
17 – Interview with Sorority president(?) RH – said parties at 1122 King weren’t huge, possible drug use at house
18 – 11/14 Police canvass neighbourhood looking for evidence, many items noted but nothing of evidentiary value
19 – interview with “KN” friend of XK and KG – lots of details about victims and their relationships/friend circle, group dynamics, etc
20 – Interview with “JN” – witness who saw 1122 King Rd front door open on morning of 11/13
21 – Warrants for cell tower dumps near crime scene and records for multiple phone #s
22 – KG father SG and sister AG provide investigators with some of KG’s text messages, grub truck CCTV, photo of camera on nearby residence. PD has trouble getting CCTV footage from neighbour’s camera
23 – Tip from KG sister AG (I’m assuming) showing a post on DM’s Facebook, most details redacted
24 – Review of Grub Truck footage
25 – Follow-up of an “SB’s” movements during time of homicides
26 – Request to uber for info about driver “EG” seemed to be a contact in KG’s phone, driver regularly used locally while not officially “on duty”
27 – Log that electronic devices (laptops and ipad) received as evidence @ MPD
28 – Lots of tech-y stuff trying to retrieve video from neighbour’s CCTV. Eventually succeeded, submitted into evidence (the neighbours were super helpful!)
29 – Receipt of video footage on USB drives into evidence (no details)
30 – Interview with XG, EC, and KG friend “P” – partied earlier in day with 4 victims, saw KG and MM at Grub Truck later. KG and MM seemed intoxicated but not to point of stumbling/slurring
31 – transporting victim’s cell phones between police departments
32 – List of items of evidence collected at autopsies (swabs, hairs, prints, etc) Summary of victim’s wounds (GRAPHIC)
33 – University of Idaho CCTV footage collected for review
34 – Two cigarette butts put into evidence
35 – Rumours of Mexican drug dealer selling drugs to uni frats + sororities – nothing to substantiate this rumour on follow-up
36 – documents from U of I Office of Civil Rights and Investigations submitted to FBI (no details)
37 - documents from U of I OCRI received by FBI, downloaded and returned to MPD (no details)
38 – unspecified evidence transported to ISP Forensic Services
39 – Warrant to EBAY for sales of Kabar Knives (no sales) and Sheaths (some sales) Request for warrant for info on buyers of sheaths
40 – Super tech-y trying to get information from router @ 1122 King Rd night of murders to see what devices connected – maybe other stuff too my brain hurts
41 – JD voluntarily gives his phone to ISP for extraction
42 – Summaries of initial interviews with roommate DM, and friends that came to the house that morning – HJ, JM, LB (very detailed, very sad…)
43 – Warrants returned for ebay buyers who purchased KaBar sheaths
44 – Snapchat warrant granted and returned for accounts of victims, surviving roomates, and JD
45 – Cell tower dump data received (no details)
46 – warrant for cell tower dumps in an expanded radius (original was 0.5 miles, now want 2 mile)
47 – Surviving roommates and friends consent to cell phone extractions
48 – Center stacks of MM and EC’s vehicles removed and booked into evidence
49 – warrant for icloud data for KG and other redacted accounts
50 - three cell phones, 1 hard drive submitted into evidence (no details)

edit: Please let me know if you have any questions about initials, abbreviations, etc.

I really just want to express my appreciation to both of you.

@ForensicPatterns I greatly admire your candor about your family history. It was very informative, and your plan to go back to school to gain more knowledge of these issues shows me how you’ve triumphed over much of it.

@LeahBee Thank you for your very comprehensive list! That’s a lot of work! It’s so helpful.

JMO and gratitude.

 

[Dotta]

Wiped his devices, used VPNs and during the critical crime window, he didn't just turn his phone off. He disabled wi-fi and disabled cellular before powering it off.

Kind of flies in the face of the feeble, impaired, incapable branding AT was pitching.

JMO

C'mon.
The woman was doing her job.

I bet
there are queues of clients outside her office.

A dedicated Defence attorney is a treasure.

JMO

 

[sripey]

Really good read about Kohberger’s efforts to thwart investigators:

“Forensic analysis revealed that Kohberger’s phone had only four periods of total inactivity, dating back to June 2022. One of those silent moments occurred on the night of the murders.

He didn’t just lose signal or run out of battery,” Jared explained. “This was an actual button press, power off, on purpose, and then a power back two hours later. And in the middle of that, four people were killed.”

To determine exactly what happened during that two-hour window on the night of the murders, the Cellebrite team re-created the digital environment and studied call logs.

“Turning off your phone isn’t enough,” Heather said. “You have to disable Wi-Fi, disable cellular, then power down. And that’s what he did.”

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.independent.co.uk

Really great article.

I wonder what the other 3 phone "periods of inactivity" were about. Practice runs? Actual attempts that he backed away from for some reason? I guess we'll never know.

Interesting that his family members were listed as "Mother", "Father", and "Sister" in his phone contacts. Weirdly formal.

 

[MassGuy]

Really great article.

I wonder what the other 3 phone "periods of inactivity" were about. Practice runs? Actual attempts that he backed away from for some reason? I guess we'll never know.

Interesting that his family members were listed as "Mother", "Father", and "Sister" in his phone contacts. Weirdly formal.

I wonder if one of them was the day after the murders, when his phone went dark for several hours.

Yeah, super curious if those other ones were late at night. There’s a decent chance we see reports that offer some clarity.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if one of them was the day after the murders, when his phone went dark for several hours.

Yeah, super curious if those other ones were late at night. There’s a decent chance we see reports that offer some clarity.

I thought this was chilling:

"He had also downloaded reports on the Idaho murders and extensive searches of his victims."

jmo

eta: I'm assuming the searches of the victims were after the crime, when their names were public??

 

[Inthedetails]

I thought this was chilling:

"He had also downloaded reports on the Idaho murders and extensive searches of his victims."

jmo

eta: I'm assuming the searches of the victims were after the crime, when their names were public??

And this is interesting:

"On December 29, a day before his arrest, Kohberger began calling and texting his parents obsessively, just as he had on the morning of the murders. If his mom didn’t answer, he’d call his dad, they said.

That same day, Kohberger searched terms like 'paranoid' 'psychopath' and 'wiretapping.'

'It was obviously weighing on him,' Heather noted."

I'm following the link posted by MassGuy above, but will post it again as it might get lost in the convo and people will want to read it:

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.the-independent.com

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

Practicing???

I hear you on this.

Mostly I want to feel convinced that the person who reportedly entered a bedroom in Pullman in October 2021 with a knife was not BK, so as not to buy into something far-fetched. In terms of height and race, the physical description of that earlier intruder was wildly off. Someone in the neighborhood was suspected. And BK was tucked into his bed across the country in PA (or roaming the house) at the time, one presumes.

BUT. Witness descriptions can be super, or they can be inaccurate to the point that they fall somewhere between being unhelpful and being unintentionally misleading. IMO

Being awakened perhaps seconds before the earlier 2021 encounter....feeling sudden shock and alarm, and maybe dealing with poor lighting---that 2021 victim's description might not have been on the money.

Dylan had circumstances not greatly unlike those to contend with but she was at least standing upright for her sighting, where it might be easier to judge height against one's own, and she may have been awake a little longer.

The same weekend this 2021 home invasion incident took place in Pullman, WSU's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology hosted their event for prospective and incoming students. That is curious.

No, there is no record of BK having attended that event, but he could have known about it. Idle googling provides no end of information, as we know. Far-fetched, but he could have even cyber-stalked that intended 2021 victim. He didn't register at the event but that doesn't mean he wasn't in Pullman.

He could have told his parents that he needed to fly to WA at that particular time for reasons relating to his future. There's this event, Mom and Dad. His parents might not have required proof of attendance to believe that he attended sessions. A trip would have been expensive, but for a son trying to have a future after winning struggles with issues like weight and drug addiction? Pull out all the stops, we'll find a way.

I wish I could see some type of undeniable confirmation that puts BK far away from Pullman on that particular night in October 2021.

 

[ilgirl]

And this is interesting:

"On December 29, a day before his arrest, Kohberger began calling and texting his parents obsessively, just as he had on the morning of the murders. If his mom didn’t answer, he’d call his dad, they said.

That same day, Kohberger searched terms like 'paranoid' 'psychopath' and 'wiretapping.'

'It was obviously weighing on him,' Heather noted."

I'm following the link posted by MassGuy above, but will post it again as it might get lost in the convo and people will want to read it:

Expert who was to testify at Kohberger trial says ‘he prepared’ for Idaho murders

Before the DNA, before the arrest, before his name was ever made public, Bryan Kohberger was already preparing to kill. Two digital forensics experts tell Andrea Cavallier what they discovered by digging through his phone

www.the-independent.com

I am a bit confused about why he was calling his mother and father the day before his arrest. Wasn't he at home? I thought the FBI and state police were watching him?

Also interesting that he was searching "psychopath" on Dec. 29. Does that mean he wondered if he was one? I'm so glad they caught this guy, as I definitely think he could have become a sk.
JMO.

 

[Megnut]

New photos

 

[Inthedetails]

I am a bit confused about why he was calling his mother and father the day before his arrest. Wasn't he at home? I thought the FBI and state police were watching him?

Also interesting that he was searching "psychopath" on Dec. 29. Does that mean he wondered if he was one? I'm so glad they caught this guy, as I definitely think he could have become a sk.
JMO.

Welcome to Websleuths!

Yes, I found that weird too. He's calling his parents while staying at their house? Did he call from his room, isolated away? Or were they away from home, on outings, for example?

Dec 29 was a Thursday and I think both parents worked for the schools so they likely were not at work? IDK

It's a strange detail.

jmopinion

 

[LinasK]

I hear you on this.

Mostly I want to feel convinced that the person who reportedly entered a bedroom in Pullman in October 2021 with a knife was not BK, so as not to buy into something far-fetched. In terms of height and race, the physical description of that earlier intruder was wildly off. Someone in the neighborhood was suspected. And BK was tucked into his bed across the country in PA (or roaming the house) at the time, one presumes.

BUT. Witness descriptions can be super, or they can be inaccurate to the point that they fall somewhere between being unhelpful and being unintentionally misleading. IMO

Being awakened perhaps seconds before the earlier 2021 encounter....feeling sudden shock and alarm, and maybe dealing with poor lighting---that 2021 victim's description might not have been on the money.

Dylan had circumstances not greatly unlike those to contend with but she was at least standing upright for her sighting, where it might be easier to judge height against one's own, and she may have been awake a little longer.

The same weekend this 2021 home invasion incident took place in Pullman, WSU's Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology hosted their event for prospective and incoming students. That is curious.

No, there is no record of BK having attended that event, but he could have known about it. Idle googling provides no end of information, as we know. Far-fetched, but he could have even cyber-stalked that intended 2021 victim. He didn't register at the event but that doesn't mean he wasn't in Pullman.

He could have told his parents that he needed to fly to WA at that particular time for reasons relating to his future. There's this event, Mom and Dad. His parents might not have required proof of attendance to believe that he attended sessions. A trip would have been expensive, but for a son trying to have a future after winning struggles with issues like weight and drug addiction? Pull out all the stops, we'll find a way.

I wish I could see some type of undeniable confirmation that puts BK far away from Pullman on that particular night in October 2021.

Exactly! You are thinking about this how I am. He could well have gone there without arousing suspicion. Until he can be definitively ruled out as being across the country, I have to believe he was capable of doing this. Seems far more likely than a copy-cat multiple killer in the PNW.

 

[ilgirl]

Yes, and thanks for the welcome. I've actually been reading on here for a long time but haven't posted, just liked posts. You are all so amazing on here, I'm so impressed!