GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Megnut]

Since KG had barely moved back home, and someone (presumably the felon because really who else?) had lured Murphy into the trees as recently as 11/04 iirc (right before KG returned to her parents' house?!), the felon might not have been aware she had left 1122. What was his plan? To find MM alone in her bed and murder her quietly and singularly? Or continue next to KG, in her bedroom? His target/s had to be MM or KG or MM and KG.


If he intended to murder more that one or those two, I would think he would have chosen a different order, to make sure he had no living obstacles, who could impede his exit. Have an escape plan, Criminal Handbook 101.

JMO

 

[Vaderman]

I wonder what his father thought when he packed up all his clothes and most belongings for what should have been a 2-3 week Christmas break. My kid is in college, though not a PhD student, but I’d be alarmed if he brought everything home and I expected him to have to take it all back shortly.

I wonder if BK was actually partially honest about losing his job and that's why his dad made the trip with him. His dad joining his adult son on a trip home for the holidays never made much sense. His dad going out to help him back everything up because he lost his job seems a bit more believable.

 

[Inthedetails]

I wonder if BK was actually partially honest about losing his job and that's why his dad made the trip with him. His dad joining his adult son on a trip home for the holidays never made much sense. His dad going out to help him back everything up because he lost his job seems a bit more believable.

That's exactly what I think. He wasn't going home for the holidays, he was moving home. imo

jmopinion

 

[Megnut]

Maybe the felon learned how to manage and master his visual snow (if indeed he had it). If he carried an LED tactical flashlight, he may have used it to disable his victims, by blinding them with it.

Perhaps it was bright enough to flash under BF's door, although I wonder if the light she saw came from DD headlights.

If he had a flashlight, and turned it off as he left XK's room, he may indeed have looked right at DM, without seeing her. Temporarily blinded by his own adjustment.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

I wonder if BK was actually partially honest about losing his job and that's why his dad made the trip with him. His dad joining his adult son on a trip home for the holidays never made much sense. His dad going out to help him back everything up because he lost his job seems a bit more believable.

His dad was pretty proud of his accomplishments during those traffic stops so I don't think his dad knew.

I'll bet they got earfuls about how incompetent his colleagues supervisors, and students were though.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

That's exactly what I think. He wasn't going home for the holidays, he was moving home. imo

jmopinion

Yeah, he was moving home, but I don't think Dad knew. Or he'd never have volunteered his son's career info on those traffic stops.

I think Dad is an upright, honest guy. His son is not.

JMO

 

[Warwick7]

As a massive dog lover im seeing conflicting info on Murphy's whereabouts when LE enters the house....was he found on the bed, as one report goes, or I've seen pics of Murphy huddled under a desk tucked behind a computer chair ...hope the AI picture freaks stay out this, and glad to hear Murphhhh is in good hands moving forward

What I read was he was on the bed, but when LE went into Kaylee's room the dog hid under the desk.

 

[Sjöberg]

If he had a flashlight, and turned it off as he left XK's room, he may indeed have looked right at DM, without seeing her. Temporarily blinded by his own adjustment.

I have been thinking that something of that sort probably happened. Adrenaline + blinded by either his own flashlight or possibly some sort of a light being on in Xana's room (she at least was awake) or even the Good Vibes sign or similar.

As for the light BF thought she saw, her bedroom was on the lowest floor, one floor below the living room and Xana's and D's rooms - most of the effects of any struggle should not have been visible to her. However, the stairs that go down are right next to Xana's room. On the right hand side, while the bathroom is on the left hand side before her room. Still, the stairwell also has a full-length barrier wall in the living room, that seems to be thigh-high.

On the lowest floor, both of the doors are right next to the stairs, one facing the going-up and the other facing the going-down direction. While it is possible that if any light was temporarily flashed in the downwards direction, it could have illuminated the floor behind her door, it grows increasingly unlikely, if the stairs are fully separated from the hallway with a wall - I am having a hard time finding actual photos of the hallway on the lowest floor. I am not 100% but I believe BF was in the room under the living room part, not under Xana's room. And after all, seeing "a flash" is the easiest thing to be mistaken about. When there is lightning i often go "was there a flash just now or did I just blink weirdly?" in my head.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

Since KG had barely moved back home, and someone (presumably the felon because really who else?) had lured Murphy into the trees as recently as 11/04 iirc (right before KG returned to her parents' house?!), the felon might not have been aware she had left 1122. What was his plan? To find MM alone in her bed and murder her quietly and singularly? Or continue next to KG, in her bedroom? His target/s had to be MM or KG or MM and KG.

SBM

Plus, on Saturday, November 12 (hours before the murders), Kaylee posted to her Instagram account the famous photo of her with her five roommates. The murderer may not have followed her IG account, but he surely kept a close eye on it if he was obsessed enough to plan her murder.

IMO

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[imstilla.grandma]

 

[gremlin444]

I have been thinking that something of that sort probably happened. Adrenaline + blinded by either his own flashlight or possibly some sort of a light being on in Xana's room (she at least was awake) or even the Good Vibes sign or similar.

As for the light BF thought she saw, her bedroom was on the lowest floor, one floor below the living room and Xana's and D's rooms - most of the effects of any struggle should not have been visible to her. However, the stairs that go down are right next to Xana's room. On the right hand side, while the bathroom is on the left hand side before her room. Still, the stairwell also has a full-length barrier wall in the living room, that seems to be thigh-high.

On the lowest floor, both of the doors are right next to the stairs, one facing the going-up and the other facing the going-down direction. While it is possible that if any light was temporarily flashed in the downwards direction, it could have illuminated the floor behind her door, it grows increasingly unlikely, if the stairs are fully separated from the hallway with a wall - I am having a hard time finding actual photos of the hallway on the lowest floor. I am not 100% but I believe BF was in the room under the living room part, not under Xana's room. And after all, seeing "a flash" is the easiest thing to be mistaken about. When there is lightning i often go "was there a flash just now or did I just blink weirdly?" in my head.

I'd swear that on one of the real estate/rental listings for the house there used to be a pic looking down the 1st floor hall to BF's room. However, we can sort of get a mental image from some of the crime scene photos

Here you have a pic looking up those 1st floor stairs to the living room. You can see there is a full wall on the inner side of those stairs. (I don't think this shows the bottom 3 or 4 stairs)

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-560w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2025-08/250808-Kohberger-Murder-scene-ch-1015-c0b489.jpg

(from Police release new images of University of Idaho murder scene)

In real estate photos you can see the part of the underside of those stairs in the ceiling of BF's room:

https://img.zumpercdn.com/299918592/1280x960?auto=format&w=1730&h=470&fit=fill

(from 1122 King Road for $1,995/month on PadMapper fifth from the last photo in the scroll)

I would say that BF's door is about level with the 2nd or 3rd step down from the living room.

From bodycam footage of a police noise complaint visit, we know that those stairs end only a foot or so from the from the door.

That hall is long enough that it's going to be hard for any light to shine down it enough to be seen under BF's door that DM could have seen as well.

 

[crhedBngr]

Found the following Daily Mail article:

Bryan Kohberger is complaining in prison as inmates torment him 24/7

A few paragraphs from the above-linked article:

Inmate number 163214 is now settling into his new home inside Idaho’s maximum-security prison.

But, according to a law enforcement source, it’s been far from smooth sailing.

The Daily Mail has learned Bryan Kohberger is being relentlessly tormented by his new jail-mates, who are shouting through the vents into his cell at all hours of the day.

It is rattling the criminology student turned quadruple killer so much that he has made complaints to prison guards about the inmates keeping him awake at night.

RBBM

Awwwww . . .



JMVHO.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Would crossing state line from ID to WA count as fleeing?

jmopinion

There's no point to a federal trial. He confessed. He's been sentenced.

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Nov 18 he registered the plates of the Elantra to Washington - where he’d need 2 plates. Not PA. It had been set to expire on Nov 30. ( DMV lady was also interviewed by LE. He wore gloves while he was speaking to her)

We covered this a while back but it's not easy to keep track of info in these threads

If he had intended to leave Washington, he could have updated the PA registration online. That's my logical answer but the change of registration may have been motivated by avoiding police attention. (That horse, however, was already out of the barn because LE would look for an out of state car from a rear plate only state as of the murder date or before. A change in registration from PA to WA would stand out in the crowd). Criminals forget that police can look at evidence across a time span, not just what pops up on a Google search. MOO

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I wonder if BK was actually partially honest about losing his job and that's why his dad made the trip with him. His dad joining his adult son on a trip home for the holidays never made much sense. His dad going out to help him back everything up because he lost his job seems a bit more believable.

But then there's that discussion with the state trooper (IIRC) that Sonny Boy was in a PhD program.

 

[twall]

 

[Megnut]

He's rattled and annoyed... can't sleep because of the noise?

Four college students wanted to sleep that night. Through the night.

BrianEntin is right -- the inmate's discomfort? No one cares.

JMO

 

[twall]

He's rattled and annoyed... can't sleep because of the noise?

Four college students wanted to sleep that night. Through the night.

BrianEntin is right -- the inmate's discomfort? No one cares.

JMO

In one of the recently released documents an inmate at the Latah Co. jail said the killer didn't sleep much at night anyway. Stuff some tp in your ears murderer!

 

[AngTxGal]

Actually, barking is mentioned by both the neighbour and the roommates
(the question is, at what part of the attack did it begin):

__ told me the following: He woke up a couple of times Saturday night. He looked at the clock, saw it was 04:17 hours, and said after about 5 minutes of waking up he heard a dog barking, outside, from the direction of 1122 King Rd. __ said he was going in and out of sleep and after an hour, around 05:00 hours, he still heard the dog barking otside from the direction of 1122 King Rd. __ said his bedroom is on the far north east side of ___ Walenta and is closest to the backyard of 1122 King Rd. __ said there is a motion light outside of his window and said if it turned on he would have noticed it. __ told me he has lived in this residence since January and has not heard the dog barking outside before in the middle of the night.
Source: supplement 14.

D said she woke up at around 04:00 hours on 11/13/2022 [---] and could hear Murphy barking.
[---]
D said she hear Murphy barking a lot around 04:00 hours 11/13/2022 when Kaylee went upstairs. D said she heard Murphy go outside barking as well.
Source: supplement 42.

At around 04:00 or 04:20 hours, B heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her door. B then heard Murphy barking.
Source: supplement 89

B told me prior to hearing the firecracker she thought she heard Murphy bark, she also heard what she thought was the beer pong table moving and cups falling. The beer pong table was located in the living room which is above B bedroom.
Source: supplement 90

B stated Murphy would primarily sleep in Kaylee's room and if Kaylee was not home he would be left in the room.
Source: supplement 90

So Murphy did bark at some point. And was probably sleeping in Kaylees room and totally used to all kinds of people walking up and down the stairs. Until something alerted him. (I had forgotten he is half-poodle and that broke my heart, these are super gentle and super loyal dogs).

And what was the flash, the fireworks? I had an idea that maybe if BK was surprised by Xana when coming downstairs, could he have accidentally dropped something like a flashlight as he charged after her for an attack? Or where was Xana's phone (a danger to BK) durirng the initial confrontation? But then I realized it was the wrong floor, the floor BK never entered? Did Xana turn on the light for a second? Or did B imagine this light, as her brain tried to make sense of the noise and she just opened her eyes?

Also. WHY did BK leave his home and drive towards the house at the moment he did? If KG was indeed the main target, how did BK know that she was at 1122 at all?

at approximately 2:53 a.m. on November 13th, a white sedan, which is consistent with the description of the White Elantra known as Suspect Vehicle 1, was observed traveling southeast on Nevada Street in Pullman, WA towards SR 270. SR 270 connects Pullman, Washington to Moscow, Idaho. (supplement 136 - he is already on his way with all the gear)
B said at approximately 02:00 hours on 11/13/2022, Madison and Kaylee came home from a night out. (supplement 3)
D said she believed Maddie and Kaylee arrived home at around 01:30 or 02:00 hours on 11/13/2022. (supplement 42)
G stated at 01:45 hours on 11-13-22 he was contacted by Kaylee again and asked if he could pick her and some friends up at the Grub Truck. G arrived at the Grub Truck at around 01:49 hours. G took Kaylee and Maddie home, he stated it was a 3 to 4 minute drive from the Grub Truck to 1122 King Road. [---] G texted Kaylee he was there and she stated they would be there in a second and said they were at order 75 and theirs was 78. Kaylee and Maddie came to the vehicle a short time later. (supplement 113)

So Kaylee and Maddie arrive home at approximately 2:00 - 2:15.
BK leaves towards 1122 at approximately half an hour later.

The video taken from a home across the street is a great source, GHI has it posted if you want to watch it hit. It helps to pin the times down.