GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #114

[Kudzuu]

Oh, there's the little precious guy. I had missed him, too. (Murphy)

I could tell he was scared and once he was under the crime scene tape he started for the people he knew and was pulled away. Then he looked back.

 

[Dotta]

Indeed.

I'm concerned as well.

I don't doubt inmates are finding ways to get around the restrictions; what else do they have to do with their time??

However, in The Felon's case, gaining access to forbidden media will come at a price, along with everything else he wants.

He's lost his daily shower privileges, his meals are messed with, and he's getting taunted by other inmates.

He will have an "interesting" life from now on.

JMVHO.

But didn't B Entin say the inmates have NO access to Internet??

(There was a video upthread when he talked about this prison)

Let's be serious!!!
We are talking about Max Security Prison here!

Honestly, SMH

I've never heard about prisoners enjoying Internet hehehe

There are a few selected channels on TV,
and maybe tablets with some games.
Never access to WWW.

JMO

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1959344962178253033

 

[girlhasnoname]

It was so fast. It was a party house in Greek Pranks R Us territory.
Calling police would end her good relationship with roommates if it was a prank or some frat weirdo that somebody who used to live there knew. All blame for the situation belongs to the kilker.

 

[NottaYutz]

I have been trying to understand BK too much since the beginning of all this. I am not sure you can ever understand the mind of a (serial?) killer. When somebody mentioned Pat Brown, I looked on Audible and found her book Profiling. Maybe it is just me but her description of the serial killer checklist in Chapter 2 was very interesting (paraphrasing).

✓glibness, superficial charm
✓gregarious, grandiose sense of self-worth
✓pathological lying, lying when not necessary
✓cunning, manipulative
✓lack of empathy, psychopath
✓no remorse or guilt of acts
✓flashes of anger, when not getting their way
✓callous, play-acting a role
✓indifferent to news of murder
✓shallow affect, no depth of feeling
✓never taking responsibility, blaming others
✓promiscuous sexual behavior
✓underachieving
✓difficulty with relationships with women
✓leaning towards violent ideation
✓precipitating event that makes them feel like losers, causing them to act out and gain control

Just interesting to consider. JMOO

Most of those also align with both overt and covert narcissism.

 

[Cool Cats]

When I saw the video, I was surprised that he didn’t have the standard prison issued shoes.

What did he have on?

 

[ilgirl]

LE had cctv of the Elantra pretty early, then even better images, and while LE did ask for "the persons" driving in that vehicle to come forward, for they might be eye witnesses to something, what LE didn't do was appeal to the public more than that. IMO they had the DNA and they didn't need input from the public.

But if they had, IMO tips would have come in.

FBI would have helped compile a profile.

Among other characteristics (would they have released athletic build, bushy brybrows?),
Changes in habits or appearance
Changes in vehicle
Physical injuries
Not showing up where expected-- work, school, family functions

As long as that bolt reached WSU, I think WSUers would have blown up the Idaho tip line.

Is it true he didn't show that whole week. Sounds like his attendance was historically spotty but wow. Injuries to conceal? Make-up to buy? Seriously. Did he use actual concealer to cover up cuts and blisters? Late night tilling with a hand shovel?

It was extraordinary police work, gathering the cctv footage they did.

No wonder AT wanted to talk about seven irrelevant minutes at 3 am in Pullman. It was the only span where the felon wasn't trackable, whether from no cameras or no footage (by the time they had his name and knew he was from Pullman, how much cctv had been overwritten?).

An hour later though -- his route, lit up like Luminol. Round and round 1122 King Rd. Pauses here, pauses there, big pause at 4:08/9, before speeding away at 4:21..

DNA or not, somebody was going to tip him in.

JMO

Good thinking! I'm wondering why they didn't do all of this, even with the sheath DNA. The FBI didn't figure out the murderer's DNA until Dec. 19. I'm definitely not criticizing them, as they know way more about all of this than I do. But it seems he could have tried something again a month later before they caught him, and doing as you suggested could have gotten his name (and thus his DNA to match the sheath) sooner. Maybe they were using forensic psychology to believe he'd have a cool-off period long enough? I'd love to hear all of your thoughts on this. JMO.

 

[New Penny]

Sounds like SOP in any prison across America for a newly incarcerated mass murderer. Sorry, not sorry Bry Bry.

After complaining about his food tray, you can be sure what he'll be sent now will be scary IMO.

Absolutely! Anybody else here see the movie “Road Trip” and the pancakes?

 

[Teche]

What did he have on?

It looked like he was cleaning tennis shoes.

 

[SophieRose]

What did he have on?

From the NY Post

Eerie leaked videos of Bryan Kohberger with red hands inside cell being probed by Idaho prison

In another short clip, the 30-year-old murderer is seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes.

nypost.com

 

[sunspun]

From the NY Post

Eerie leaked videos of Bryan Kohberger with red hands inside cell being probed by Idaho prison

In another short clip, the 30-year-old murderer is seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes.

nypost.com

Yeah, in my personal experience, you get two pairs: those rubbery (plastic or PVC) open-toe slip-on shoes they call shower shoes and a pair of canvas sorta-sneakers w/no laces that you wear whenever you go outside your cell basically, although very common to wear shower shoes outside of the shower as well.

 

[sunspun]

From the NY Post

Eerie leaked videos of Bryan Kohberger with red hands inside cell being probed by Idaho prison

In another short clip, the 30-year-old murderer is seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes.

nypost.com

Thought their caption to this photo was odd... how is cleaning shoes - even SLOWLY - ominous??

"... seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes." (part of the caption to the photo you posted from the NYPost)

 

[StarryStarryNight]

Great. Computer access for inmates. What could possibly go wrong?!

I know your comment is dripping in sarcasm but:

This…this right here….this is what can go wrong when inmates get computer access.

‘Makes me sick’: FOX Carolina Investigates uncovers serial killer’s attempts to cash in from behind bars

A FOX Carolina investigation has uncovered serial killer Todd Kohlhepp’s attempts to make money from the sale of merchandise related to his crimes, which could be a violation of South Carolina state law.

www.foxcarolina.com

Autographed documents reveal more about serial killer’s attempts to profit from pain

FOX Carolina Investigates obtained new material autographed by convicted serial killer Todd Kohlhepp after discovering he appears to be trying to profit from the pain of his victims.

www.foxcarolina.com

‘We will be ruthless’: Families of serial killer’s victims demand action following FOX Carolina Investigation

Todd Kohlhepp pleaded guilty to killing seven people in 2017.

www.foxcarolina.com

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Do they have those things at IMSI? To my knowledge, they can receive food packs from a national supplier, but IMSI has only the basic packs. I would be very surprised if they allow fresh fruit at this level of incarceration (they don't allow it most jails and prisons because the prisoners use it to make fermented beverages).

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article310943330.html

The IMSi policy manual limits how much inmates can use in commissary when they are first year. It can take a year or two to get maximum commissary privileges, although they might be able to get the approved commissary packages (not tailored to vegan diets, so he'd have to trade with people which, again, won't be his privilege for a while).

When he gets to Gen Pop, or more unrestricted privileges, he might be able to eat fruit or have fruit juice while in a common area, but I'll be very surprised if they allow it in his cell, which is where he must stay for now. For probably six months. If he were in a regular prison, he could even work up to being allowed to use a prison kitchen and cook his own food (and order more things). He's under top security at a maximum security prison.

Here's what those prison packs look like:

Access Securepak

www.accesscatalog.com

If you try to click through to see what you can send to IMSI, I don't think they're listed as a possible recipient. In addition to these snack foods, if the prison were enrolled in the full program, they could get fresh ingredients (like those boxes we all can order for ourselves).

We can probably lay bets on long it will be before Fruit Cup works his way up to a transfer to a less restrictive institution (I put my money on "never") or even to be allowed to work in the IMSI kitchens (again, betting on "never").

I find grim satisfaction in learning that he is going to have to eat meals based off of what all other prisoners get, without much or any fresh fruit, nor fruit juice, nor avocados.

IMO.

It's interesting to me that many observers don't understand that prison is horrible and you have no control over your life. That will be excruciating for a guy who thinks he's superior to others and expects to be on the same level as the people in charge.

 

[browneyes]

Indeed.

I'm concerned as well.

I don't doubt inmates are finding ways to get around the restrictions; what else do they have to do with their time??

However, in The Felon's case, gaining access to forbidden media will come at a price, along with everything else he wants.

He's lost his daily shower privileges, his meals are messed with, and he's getting taunted by other inmates.

He will have an "interesting" life from now on.

JMVHO.

I read further back that he took 1 hour showers at the jail. That seems crazy long. I don’t like that prisoners should have access to the internet. I guess I will just have to be satisfied that his food trays aren’t up to his standards.

 

[LadyL]

Menendez as well.
Oh, and he later divorced her
Oops,
both brothers got married while in prison.

Who Are the Menendez Brothers' Wives? All About Lyle and Erik Menendez's Marriages

The Menendez brothers both got married while serving life sentences for murdering their parents in 1989. Here is everything to know Lyle and Erik Menendez's wives, Rebecca Sneed and Tammi Saccoman.

people.com

Wasn't it reported that BK got money
from his "fans"?

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Oops!
Valentine cards too!

Bryan Kohberger supporters send Valentine's Day gifts, form online groups supporting murder suspect

One subReddit is called Brynation, and it is where one admirer posted the receipt for the $50 she placed in Kohberger’s commissary account as a Valentine’s Day gift.

www.insideedition.com

Oh,
I found the name of this phenomenon

"Manifestations of hybristophilia
include the romanticization of criminals, especially serial killers."

Hybristophilia - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

We even have a saying in my country:

"Every monster will find its admirer"
(Although in Polish it rhymes)

crazy people

 

[Arkay]

Thought their caption to this photo was odd... how is cleaning shoes - even SLOWLY - ominous??

"... seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes." (part of the caption to the photo you posted from the NYPost)

Just guessing, but maybe it’s tied in with the red hands that are also mentioned here. Those have been attributed to his obsessive hand-washing and his hour-long showers, so perhaps it’s “ominous” because it pertains to his rigorous and scrupulous OCD rituals.

I agree though that “ominous” is too strong of a word here. It implies something dreadful is about to happen, but of course he’s already done the dreadful thing.


Just my speculation.

 

[LadyL]

wow that was 22yo Nunes !
As you said - unflappable. Despite what he'd just seen, despite coming from a small PD, he was over everything multi-tasking - armed clearing the scene, securing the scene with tape, witness statements, family on scene, feet-pads for the shoe-less, blankets and water, checking traffic on the road.

Now you tell us he covers life-saving and duckings too.
Please let us know when he gets promoted.

what is duckings?

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

I just asked AI Overview if prisons could offer read-only internet of a few sites chosen by the prisoner and approved by the institution.

"Yes, prisons can and in some cases already do provide highly restricted internet access to inmates, including read-only options with pre-approved websites."

I imagine the monitoring could end up being problematic given that angry and/or devious (and maybe drug-hungry or at least money-hungry) prisoners with endless time on their hands can get creative. Investing in a monitoring system could be costly. But the possible benefits listed were educational opportunities, improved mental health, support for reintegration, and reduced idleness.

For the specific prisoner we have in mind, reintegration is a mute point, and we may not care if he has the rest of the stuff, but certain overall benefits to the institution related to providing inmates some screen time have been mentioned here in the past.

Internet access could conceivably help the staff maintain order, giving them a nice carrot to put on a stick to extend or pull back. Let's say CNN is provided, for example. Just one site but there is a lot of reading there, and the content changes throughout the day.

I would think read-only access to certain sites could help tamp down any chaos that might result from allowing inmates to interact more freely with technology?

ETA: Never mind email. Let them send letters the old-fashioned way.

 

[LadyL]

Indeed.

I'm concerned as well.

I don't doubt inmates are finding ways to get around the restrictions; what else do they have to do with their time??

However, in The Felon's case, gaining access to forbidden media will come at a price, along with everything else he wants.

He's lost his daily shower privileges, his meals are messed with, and he's getting taunted by other inmates.

He will have an "interesting" life from now on.

JMVHO.

he's lost his shower privileges?

From the NY Post

Eerie leaked videos of Bryan Kohberger with red hands inside cell being probed by Idaho prison

In another short clip, the 30-year-old murderer is seen standing ominously in the middle of his lockup, slowly cleaning his shoes.

nypost.com

does anyone else think that toilet is really low to the floor? especially for someone so tall? I wouldn't be able to get up after using it! (and I'm short)