GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[Tragg]

Not really. These things happen. The guy is fired and everyone moves on. No one is murdered.

This is sensationalist BS by people who have every reason to know better.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Head of WSU police, Chief Jenkins, wasn't told about BK until Dec 28.

Payne got the "tip" during the evening hours of Dec 19, when it would have been highly unlikely for anyone in LE to get a hold of someone in the CJ dept or WSU high ups. Payne didn't even get the detailed info from FBI that night--it was the next day during a virtual meeting with the FBI.

So, unless the FBI immediately called WSU before telling Payne (which seems like a BIG LE no no) and started asking about BK....and unless WSU was able to hold a very late hours emergency meeting to all agree on dismissal, get the dismissal typed up, and send it to BK late that evening, it seems unlikely the dismissal was due to FBI having just informed Moscow of the tip.

Moscow LE applied for their first warrant re: BK on Dec 23 to get his phone records. They used those 4 days between finding out and the warrant to start looking into who BK was--getting info about him from the DMV, getting the body cam info from his traffic stop in Moscow, going back to all the video footage and looking for his car.

It's entirely possible Moscow LE or ISP started contacting WSU's crim justice program and asking about BK before Jenkins was told on Dec 28...but that also seems like a big LE no no, especially considering that Chief Fry and Chief Jenkins were old friends.

Not sure I get the entire gist of your post & it is hard to tell if WSU’s police department is accredited. It looks like in 2023, the WSU police department received a grant to help with accreditation. Some larger universities have accredited police departments, although, I’m not sure if it’s mainly in urban areas. The university (which includes an academic medical center), I worked for, was accredited and their jurisdiction extended at least to adjoining city’s streets and they had authority to read license plates. They were available 24 hrs every day and their dispatch was 24 hrs every day. I’m sure they worked in conjunction with the city’s police department, but I also know federal law enforcement agencies worked directly with them. I know the house was off-campus.

 

[Miss Poovy]

Not really. These things happen. The guy is fired and everyone moves on. No one is murdered.

This is sensationalist BS by people who have every reason to know better.

I agree. Usually these type of terminations go through the program director, department chair & usually the Dean, Associates Dean or Graduate School Dean.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957921279324926001

"The families of Madison Mogen and Ethan Chapin are suing the city of Moscow, Idaho, ​

over the release of crime scene photos."​

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957927686107505087

 

[DizzyB]

Freud would have a thing or two to say about it.

Guessing it was a complex dynamic. Mother and Father both, intuitively afraid of what he might do, left to his own devices. (I'm going to assume they feared drugs, theft, self-harm, not murder.)

I think he actually hated his mother. Controlling her satisfied his daily fix. He held them hostage, through guilt, fear, fidelity, pity, something. In them, he had an unfettered audience, monologue central, I expect.

Every day they got him through was perhaps a victory, an exhausting victory but a victory all the same. I wonder if he created a verbal fantasy social life, where they may have actually felt he was finding his way, fitting in, etc.

Pool party? He saw it as a fishbowl for phone number fishing. Must have felt quite powerful to him to decide who was and wasn't worthy of his perfect attention.

Where did he get this gross, inflated ego??????

A trove of personal selfies? Shirtless, puffed up chest. Impressing himself over and over?

Didn't last a single term in WA. For all the reasons, preoccupied with his greatness and the crime he was plotting long before he even landed himself at WSU. IMO this was the thesis and dissertation he planned all along.

Heartless criminal, barely disguised by a dress shirt.

JMO

I think he called his parents constantly because he wanted someone to listen to him. To value his opinions, agree with him. No one at school was finding him to be the brilliant mind he believed he was, and students were challenging him and lodging complaints. He needed validation and his parents most likely gave it to him.

 

[Jw192]

I also wonder about that. What's the connection there and why did he hate women so much but not hate his mother? I remember Ed Kemper. He depised women because of how his mother treated him growing up and then eventually killed her. Clearly, BK's relationship with his mother is different but I'm just trying to understand how it all ties together.

I think it's more that the felon believes that he is owed something by women. That they are inferior to him and are there to serve purposes - hence him treating female students horribly, showing up late persistently to female professors classes but never once a male professors - I believe that the felon is a mix of a misogynistic incel type and a pure selfish mommy's boy which can be, as proven, a toxic combo. Imo he believes that women are to be owned and controlled... Hell, we know that he called his mother obsessively and although we don't know the content of these calls, I can imagine them to be very self serving to HIM - Mama make ME feel better about the things that I've caused upon myself - It's control. His "close" relationship with his mother is very likely all about control over her as she will be the one woman who actually feels like she owes him something as he's her son. Same with AT, he sat there still in court whilst she did the talking because at that time, she was there to serve HIM.
He went for girls as he believed it's his right to have them do what he wants and when they didn't, it made him more and more dark inside which brings us to that awful night.

IMO

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957914247565840443

 

[LinasK]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1957927686107505087

Is that because he believed he'd covered his tracks sufficiently?

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I agree, but I do wonder whether he's already started writing about it in his cell. I'm guessing he will want a manifesto of some sort in case he doesn't make it that long in prison. With the other inmates bothering him, I wonder if he's concerned about his long-term safety there, and he wants his information out there. JMO.

Good points, to be sure...

IMO, he could be wanting to or already has/is starting to write up "his manifesto", even if only in his own head...

Maybe he's just waiting for the "vehicle" like an Ipad or whatever, or maybe he never ever plans to do so cuz he has stayed completely silent all along on any details since his arrest and through his guilty pleas.

Personally, I don't think it makes a bit of difference to him whether other inmates are "bothering him" by yelling stuff into the air ducts or whatever, because his physical safety is assured by the wardens and he's physically separated from contact with anyone but prison staff/not in GP/more like solitary confinement for his own protection AFAIK.

Not to poo poo that there is probably an underlying threat to him overall from so many quarters now that he's down for the count with 4 guilty pleas & life sentences for murder of innocents and in lockup for the rest of his born days.

But I truly believe he's not going to be able to be physically accessed by people who want to take him out... "Jeffrey Style" (Dahmer or Epstein... if Epstein's death in prison wasn't suicide of course).

JMO

 

[Dotta]

I think it's more that the felon believes that he is owed something by women. That they are inferior to him and are there to serve purposes - hence him treating female students horribly, showing up late persistently to female professors classes but never once a male professors - I believe that the felon is a mix of a misogynistic incel type and a pure selfish mommy's boy which can be, as proven, a toxic combo. Imo he believes that women are to be owned and controlled... Hell, we know that he called his mother obsessively and although we don't know the content of these calls, I can imagine them to be very self serving to HIM - Mama make ME feel better about the things that I've caused upon myself - It's control. His "close" relationship with his mother is very likely all about control over her as she will be the one woman who actually feels like she owes him something as he's her son. Same with AT, he sat there still in court whilst she did the talking because at that time, she was there to serve HIM.
He went for girls as he believed it's his right to have them do what he wants and when they didn't, it made him more and more dark inside which brings us to that awful night.

IMO

I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.
Because this is the only way
- in their minds -
to get noticed.

JmO

 

[Chloegirl]

I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.

JmO

Yes, children negative attention seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO

 

[Miss Poovy]

Yes, children negative attentive seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO

Plus, I just think he had a hard time fitting in, couldn’t figure it out & couldn’t see himself as others did. I always want to know if he received any type of psychological therapy beyond his addiction problems?

 

[Dotta]

Yes, children negative attentive seeking when they first like the opposite sex. I do not think he developed emotionally past a certain age, much like a pedophile who gets stuck at like 12 years old permanently. JMOO

Yes.
This is something I'm considering.
I still remember how he added
"Respectfully..." addressing the Judge.
Like a pupil to a stern headmaster.
As if trying to please.

JMO

 

[Jw192]

I think
his condescending treatment was directed towards women he was attracted to.
It seemed to be his disturbed way of attracting their attention.

Negative, sure,
but attention nevertheless.

This kind of behaviour reminds me of some difficult students who try to catch teacher's attention through insolence.
Because this is the only way
- in their minds -
to get noticed.

JmO

Yup I think attraction plays a big part in his behaviour towards women too.

Gosh, he's such a horrible creepy freak. I hate him.

 

[Chloegirl]

Yup I think attraction plays a big part in his behaviour towards women too.

Gosh, he's such a horrible creepy freak. I hate him.

You know what also reminds me of like a child who becomes fascinated with an insect, and the next thing you know he's ripping the wings off and killing it. It's like the curiosity is so intense that he just destroys it. JMOO

Impulse control issues.

 

[Dotta]

You know what also reminds me of like a child who becomes fascinated with an insect, and the next thing you know he's ripping the wings off and killing it. It's like the curiosity is so intense that he just destroys it. JMOO

Impulse control issues.

And his dependency on Mother.

Children are very possessive of mothers.
Want to have all of their love and attention.

JMO

 

[LadyL]

I also wonder about that. What's the connection there and why did he hate women so much but not hate his mother? I remember Ed Kemper. He depised women because of how his mother treated him growing up and then eventually killed her. Clearly, BK's relationship with his mother is different but I'm just trying to understand how it all ties together.

I don't think we know that he didn't hate his mother or what 'strange' dynamic they had.

 

[LadyL]

The how unnerves me. How did he even know his classmate had a twelve year old girl? (Maybe it came up in introductions or discussions but it's creepy to think he sleuthed it, creepy enough he used her daughter to make his sinister point).

JMO

she might not have ... he may have just wanted her to imagine it JMO

 

[ilgirl]

Good points, to be sure...

IMO, he could be wanting to or already has/is starting to write up "his manifesto", even if only in his own head...

Maybe he's just waiting for the "vehicle" like an Ipad or whatever, or maybe he never ever plans to do so cuz he has stayed completely silent all along on any details since his arrest and through his guilty pleas.

Personally, I don't think it makes a bit of difference to him whether other inmates are "bothering him" by yelling stuff into the air ducts or whatever, because his physical safety is assured by the wardens and he's physically separated from contact with anyone but prison staff/not in GP/more like solitary confinement for his own protection AFAIK.

Not to poo poo that there is probably an underlying threat to him overall from so many quarters now that he's down for the count with 4 guilty pleas & life sentences for murder of innocents and in lockup for the rest of his born days.

But I truly believe he's not going to be able to be physically accessed by people who want to take him out... "Jeffrey Style" (Dahmer or Epstein... if Epstein's death in prison wasn't suicide of course).

JMO

You could be right about him feeling physically safe there. I'm hoping he will be, since I want him to stay there for many years to pay for what he did to those students and families. I just think it's likely he'll at least write about what he did, even if he doesn't try to give it to anyone for a while. Or maybe talk to Dr. Ramsland or Dr. Brucato so that they could "learn" from him. JMO.