GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #115

[detectivewannab]

I've been a long time BK-is-not-Pappa-Rodgers advocate not only because Reddit has the best account fingerprinting (duplicate account detection) tools on planet earth using a combination of methods that not even a VPN can avoid to prevent ban avoidance, IMO and MOO .

But also because the majority of things he said were incorrect. If you go through each of the 52 posts that people highlighted post BK's arrest as evidence that BK is Pappa Rodgers, only 18 were direct claims or seemingly rhetorical questions about the crime. The rest were just plain old creepy questions.

Out of those 18 claims about the crime:
- He was correct 22% of the time.
- He was only correct 16% of the time if you don't give him credit for his 11/30 post about the knife and sheath (something the media reported on 11/16 and people were speculating about a sheath even earlier).
- Most of the stuff was posting are inane things like "4 weeks in and no suspects. What is the motive?" or "What do we think is the height and weight of the killer?" things everyone was asking.

What was he right about?
11/30 - when commenting on a pictture of detctives combing the back of the house.... he said something akin to - the killer came from the back of the house and was covered in blood, there's likely evidence there. - Something hundreds of people were already speculating and of course they would be covered in blood.
11/30 - the knife sheat (see above)
12/5 - Other people in the house were alerted by the killers presence. This one is super duper weak. Since there were already rumors about a surviving victim hearing the entire thing and you'd imagine that a brutal crime like this wouldn't be silent.
12/20 - Speculated that the killer struggled with female relations on . Something people had long been speculating.
12/22 - The killer not being in the victims immediate circle on . A time where the inner circle had already volunteered their DNA and LE had loudly cleared a lot of people in their inner circle who were being harassed.

That's literally it. Things that many true crime sleuther were also speculating. But again, MOO.

What was he wrong about?
- wildly wrong about the local of Xana's body
- wildly wrong about the killer entering from an unlocked window
- wildly wrong about Ethan - mirroring the early rumors of him being in the hallway
- white car is a red herring
- white car isn't relevant (a great example of when he's right, which isn't often, he's credited, but when he's wrong...its him trying to throw off LE)
- said the killer was a construction worker or a short term visitor

The last one strikes me as a person who's watched too many episodes of the Forensic Files (no offense, to the real pappa rodger)

There are many many more incorrect claims that would likely bring that percentage even further down. But my memory is hazy and my research isn't accessible right now. Again, all MOO.

Pappa Rodgers is a what happens when the same mechanisms that power astrology are injected to the telephone game. The legend has far outgrown the actual online persona.

MOO

I was watching this case closely. The first time I heard about the knife sheath was from him. It was no where else.

 

[Tricia]

@Sillybilly What is the protocol in terms of referring to one photo in a photodump where the url is a download of all 700? Post the link to the whole dump and then refer to it by photo # within the dump? Is it ok to post the link to the whole dump and then a screenshot of the individual photo you are referring to since you don't have a direct link to just the one photo?

The only thing you can do, as of now, is post the link to the actual download and say the picture came from this download. If the poster posts a link from a download and the photo is found not to have been from the download, they will be liable for any legal action that may come of posting a picture that was not publicly available.

 

[PunishThenForgive]

I was watching this case closely. The first time I heard about the knife sheath was from him. It was no where else.

@detectivewannab:

Websleuther @Tealgrove speculated that the killer left behind a knife sheath three days after the murders, which took place in the early morning hours of November 13, 2022:

I wonder if the killer had a sheath for the knife? Could it have been unknowingly left behind in the struggle?

MOO

Quote of Tealgrove’s full post from November 16, 2022, in response to another post by @MassGuy:

Those knives are meant for this specific purpose, and are incredibly resilient. For that reason, I highly doubt it broke. It's not like something you'd find in a kitchen.

I just googled these knives and I came here to say that type of knife can do some serious damage.

Whoever this was, came prepared to kill. I don’t think this was random. There is a reason that these murders happened to these people.

Some may have been collateral damage while 1 was the primary target.

I wonder if the killer had a sheath for the knife? Could it have been unknowingly left behind in the struggle?

MOO

BBM

Link to the post in thread 'ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022':

ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

 

[Ghostwheel]

What do we think of how he left his apartment? Did he plan to return? Was he in denial, didn't think they'd actually fire him? Was he expecting to return, still in the program, just happily reassigned OUT of TAing?

'Cause he's not getting his damage deposit back.

(I know, it's student housing, not a private rental, but still, that's not 'move out' ready.)

Freezer food will keep, much of his food looks to be shelf stable, but there's stuff in the fridge that wouldn't smell so good if he thought he was returning to it after Christmas.

Geez, he left it like he absconded in the dark of night.

I don't know why necessarily but I really expected it to be sparse but spotless. I never expected him to be SLOPPY. Maybe I should have.

I don't recall what date he left Pullman -- but the question remains for me -- was he or was he not intending to return?

(It appears that he was -- he left his pots and pans, his clothing, and his books behind. Father surely expected it was only a break -- boasting to the traffic cops about his successful son. Perhaps the felon continued to hold an inflated sense of himself, minimized the complaints against him and was confident he would prevail against the powers that be. Doubtful he thought he'd done anything wrong.)

Just what exactly was his plan?

He must have had one.

JMO

I think he left it with the minimum it would take to not look like he wasn't coming back. If he found a way back, fine. If not fine. But mainly to save face with his father. IMO.

His apartment was slightly more sparse, but exactly as "sloppy" as I would have expected.

Imo, his is a disordered mind and the surroundings reflect this. His trying to act logical and organized is an attempt to quell the disorder. My D does this and excels at it, so she is able to function quite well. She has figured out her organization system. My S tries but cannot find his organizational system. Both have dyslexia and Executive Function issues. S has very little Executive Function ability at all. He relies on lists. Executive Function is what we use to decide what is most important to do first and how to organize it.

The place looks like the place of a person for whom little has special (or any)importance. Bed is made, but not well. Things in cupboards, but not well organized. Keeping the disordered hidden. Having left the sheath behind, and knowing how many times he circled the house, this is slightly better than what I expected. JMO, of course.

 

[LadyL]

What do we think of how he left his apartment? Did he plan to return? Was he in denial, didn't think they'd actually fire him? Was he expecting to return, still in the program, just happily reassigned OUT of TAing?

'Cause he's not getting his damage deposit back.

(I know, it's student housing, not a private rental, but still, that's not 'move out' ready.)

Freezer food will keep, much of his food looks to be shelf stable, but there's stuff in the fridge that wouldn't smell so good if he thought he was returning to it after Christmas.

Geez, he left it like he absconded in the dark of night.

I don't know why necessarily but I really expected it to be sparse but spotless. I never expected him to be SLOPPY. Maybe I should have.

I don't recall what date he left Pullman -- but the question remains for me -- was he or was he not intending to return?

(It appears that he was -- he left his pots and pans, his clothing, and his books behind. Father surely expected it was only a break -- boasting to the traffic cops about his successful son. Perhaps the felon continued to hold an inflated sense of himself, minimized the complaints against him and was confident he would prevail against the powers that be. Doubtful he thought he'd done anything wrong.)

Just what exactly was his plan?

He must have had one.

JMO

and all that frozen vegan food is not cheap
he apparently really likes pizzas ...

 

[Tricia]

All his books seem to have been rammed into a cupboard under the TV but when LE took them out to photograph them, here are some of the titles.
Some CJ books were still shrink-wrapped.

L-Right
Pete Earley ' Crazy,a father's search through America's mental health madness'
Rise of the Warrior Cop ( bookmarked) The Militarization of America's Police Forces
Fisher, Daigle & Cullen, Unsafe in the Ivory Tower- The sexual victimization of college women' ( this was a used book he must've bought, the receipt is pictured in the screenshot)


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Please put the source for these pictures. Thank you

 

[Tillyjames]

and all that frozen vegan food is not cheap
he apparently really likes pizzas ...

My first thought was he’s a vegan that just eats junk… not healthy food. Hence all the frozen pizzas MOO

 

[Chloegirl]

I wonder, much like the parking tickets (and getting out of them being the goal), if BK didn't want to just challenge the legal system. If you look at what he left in his apartment it sends a message. His papers, the books, the parking tickets, the evidence that proves not much (but he still left), etc. Does he just enjoy challenging societal norms?

Was his plea deal part of the idea the whole time? Is he just trying to get out of a murder conviction? I'm waiting for a last minute appeal effort. He has a couple days.

Is this the mind of a would be serial killer toying with us? It's an interesting thought to ponder. JMOO

 

[Megnut]

I wonder, much like the parking tickets (and getting out of them being the goal), if BK didn't want to just challenge the legal system. If you look at what he left in his apartment it sends a message. His papers, the books, the parking tickets, the evidence that proves not much (but he still left), etc. Does he just enjoy challenging societal norms?

Was his plea deal part of the idea the whole time? Is he just trying to get out of a murder conviction? I'm waiting for a last minute appeal effort. He has a couple days.

Is this the mind of a would be serial killer toying with us? It's an interesting thought to ponder. JMOO

He's consistent. The rules don't apply to him.

Maybe they don't have rules in Pennsylvania.

He must really think he's smarter than everyone.

JMO

 

[detectivewannab]

I was watching this case closely. The first time I heard about the knife sheath was from him. It was no where else.

Topamax is very commonly prescribed for migraines. I believe he mentioned it way back on the Tapatalk visual snow posts in terms of him taking it for migraines.

I was on topamax for migraines, getting off of it took months and was not fun.

 

[angelainwi]

I was on topamax for migraines, getting off of it took months and was not fun.

I just went off it cold turkey about 2 months ago and I don't think I had any effects. What are the most common ones? Are there like withdrawals or what

 

[Stratocaster]

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"Father, why isn't Mother answering her calls"
"Mother, why isn't Father answering his calls"


....strange AF and screams of insecurities



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[Tealgrove]

and all that frozen vegan food is not cheap
he apparently really likes pizzas ...

If I’m not mistaken, The Mad Greek had vegan pizza on the menu. Hmmmm????

 

[Ghostwheel]

My first thought was he’s a vegan that just eats junk… not healthy food. Hence all the frozen pizzas MOO

IMO, vegan is a type of food one eats. Healthy, not healthy, kind of healthy is a style. So if it is important to stay vegan and you are one that forgets to eat or need to keep things simple, frozen might be healthy or kinda sorta healthy and is a style ( my style used to be eat in, dine out, canned and frozen. That has changed to least processed food I can find and eat and not take more than 30 minutes to prepare. I eat a lot of salad and love an air fryer for my meat items.)

 

[Ghostwheel]

RSBM

Maybe they don't have rules in Pennsylvania.

RSBM

 

[LadyL]

If I’m not mistaken, The Mad Greek had vegan pizza on the menu. Hmmmm????

yep and a witness who said she saw him there but for some reason the owner denies that he was ever there

 

[Megnut]

yep and a witness who said she saw him there but for some reason the owner denies that he was ever there

Not hard to imagine that BK was bad for business. But also, the two waitresses IMO most likely to have interacted with him were no longer alive to report it.

I happen to think the Mad Greek was one of his first stops when he arrived in Pullman.

JMO

 

[snooptroop88]

If I’m not mistaken, The Mad Greek had vegan pizza on the menu. Hmmmm????

Not hard to imagine that BK was bad for business. But also, the two waitresses IMO most likely to have interacted with him were no longer alive to report it.

I happen to think the Mad Greek was one of his first stops when he arrived in Pullman.

JMO

TOTALLY agreed. There's never been any doubt in my mind. I know some are saying well, there was that thing with the pots and pans, he won't eat the food unless he has specially dedicated pots and pans that are not used to cook meat. Yes, but that's at home, where he has complete control. I'd say he made exceptions for restaurants, and as support for that, he has that little exchange with LE where he's supposedly trying to get some Thai food while on the road with Father (need eye roll emoji here). Thai food often has meat and chicken (as opposed to chick'n). And plenty of fish sauce, too. He's not going to be able to guarantee that whatever he orders there wasn't cooked in a pan that at one point had meat (or something else he finds unacceptable) in it. I know he's probably making the Thai food up, but the way it rolls off his tongue (even as a lie in that context) does lead me to believe Fruit Cake makes exceptions on his "pots and pans" for restaurants. He undoubtedly might find other reasons for exceptions, too.

Whoops! Did I say "Fruit Cake" up there? I meant Fruit Cup. Yeah, Fruit Cup, (hehe)

 

[waitin'4thewrld2chg]

I think way back in the beginning there was some speculation as to whether or not the murderer might have spotted one or two of the victims online back when he was still living in Pennsylvania. I don't recall if logic suggested that would not have been likely. (Not recalling when each girl moved in.)

It's a little far-fetched, but it has crossed my mind to wonder if an obsession developed over a resident/s at 1122 King Rd. early on, before he ever crossed the country, to the point that it was one of the reasons he chose WSU. I recall he wanted to avoid a certain entrance exam type thing (I have no link so it's more an opinion), and WSU did not require the exam, so that could have helped him form his decision...... But it would really be something if a fixation on one or more of the victims motivated him to make his way to Moscow/Pullman in the first place.

I know there has been much speculation about how he found that house and those persons. Followed someone home from the Mad Greek? A connection at the pool party? Random prowling and peeping? The least likely way might be via the internet from his home base in PA (pinpointing an address for renters would seem trickier than maybe coming up with one for homeowners), but I have always wondered about the possibility. He bought the knife in PA......

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[sunspun]

I think way back in the beginning there was some speculation as to whether or not the murderer might have spotted one or two of the victims online back when he was still living in Pennsylvania. I don't recall if logic suggested that would not have been likely. (Not recalling when each girl moved in.)

It's a little far-fetched, but it has crossed my mind to wonder if an obsession developed over a resident/s at 1122 King Rd. early on, before he ever crossed the country, to the point that it was one of the reasons he chose WSU. I recall he wanted to avoid a certain entrance exam type thing (I have no link so it's more an opinion), and WSU did not require the exam, so that could have helped him form his decision...... But it would really be something if a fixation on one or more of the victims motivated him to make his way to Moscow/Pullman in the first place.

I know there has been much speculation about how he found that house and those persons. Followed someone home from the Mad Greek? A connection at the pool party? Random prowling and peeping? The least likely way might be via the internet from his home base in PA (pinpointing an address for renters would seem trickier than maybe coming up with one for homeowners), but I have always wondered about the possibility. He bought the knife in PA......

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I don't feel like he chose WSU after somehow finding one or more of the victims online, although I have thought about that, but what about if he had already chosen WSU, and so, from his home in PA before he left there, he went online just browsing female student profiles in the area he would soon be moving to? Just to see what lay in store for him... he might have come across them on IG and began stalking.

I suppose LE did analyze the computers and devices in the PA home.