GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[ChatteringBirds]

This tragedy seems to be breaking news:

Police said they responded to King Road for a report of an unconscious person. When officers arrived, they “discovered four individuals who were deceased...”

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

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Probable Cause Affidavit

Press photo album (compilation courtesy of WS member cujenn81)

Moscow ID Police Department Facebook page

City of Moscow re King Road Homicide

Media Guide to the Idaho Courts

Detectives are looking to develop context for the events and people involved in the four murders at 1122 King Rd in Moscow, Idaho. Anyone who observed notable behavior, has video surveillance, or can provide relevant information about these murders:

• Telephone: 208-883-7180
• Email: [email protected]
• Digital Media: fbi.gov/moscowidaho

 

[Sillybilly]

Please continue discussion here.

 

[ilovewings]

This,case is on 20/20 now

 

[Arkay]

This,case is on 20/20 now

I just finished watching it.

It was a very interesting and heartfelt recap. It’s important to remember that these were four kids with real lives and personalities, prior to being the four victims.

I don’t think there was anything new that we didn’t know, but I was profoundly touched at the very end, when Ethan’s mom was thanking Kristen Mittelman.

Of course because @othram raced to match the DNA and identified the suspect, but also because of how the Chapin family drew strength from knowing the Mittelmans were on the case.

I appreciate them, as well as the LE who investigated the crime scene, WSU which helped with narrowing down the students who owned a white Elantra, and LE in Pennsylvania who pulled the garbage, found the necessary paternal DNA, and grabbed up the murderer. I appreciate the prosecutors and Judge Hippler.

I appreciate the friend who saw the victims and protected the roommates from that knowledge while he could.

A long and winding road that ended up with the murderer done and dusted.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

Couple new pieces (or at least some clarity) on tonight's 20/20 about the murders, which was very well done:

As far as the timeline goes, Xana's watch (steps) and phone activity shows that she was still moving around at about 4:12am and shortly thereafter, which is a couple minutes after Kohberger would have made entry. Lt. Gilbertson (ISP Lead Detective) says that Kaylee and Maddie were killed very quickly, but were stabbed repeatedly many times.Something alerts Kohberger that Xana is there, and he stops what he is doing. Xana runs, and Kohberger attacks Xana in her doorway, where she "fought like hell." Kohberger then sees Ethan, and reaches over and stabs him, killing him instantly. He continues to fight with Xana, ending up on the floor where he kills her.

Interesting tidbit: The founder of Othram says the DNA that was flown down to their lab by law enforcement, was a lot of DNA. It was not a trace amount, and was in fact 500 times more DNA than they usually see in low quantity DNA cases.

Kohberger only left the house 3 times while he was in Pennsylvania, and was wearing rubber gloves each time.There was conversation among the family speculating as to Bryan's involvement, but they dismissed it.

Kohberger inquired as to "which [media] outlets were circling" after his arrest. Clearly surprised about the amount of attention. Totally normal concern for an innocent person.

Christmas night Kohberger was on a rudimentary serial killer website and clicked one killer after another for two hours. And finally the backstory about the Chapin family involvement with Othram. Kristen Mittelman, co-founder of Othram along with her husband David, had a chance encounter with Ethan Chapin's mom years ago, apparently prior to Kohberger being identified. Kristen told his mom "we're working on your case, and everything is going to be ok. "They relied on this to get them through their toughest days, and now want to advocate for the work being done at Othram.

 

[Arkay]

Interesting tidbit: The founder of Othram says the DNA that was flown down to their lab by law enforcement, was a lot of DNA. It was not a trace amount, and was in fact 500 times more DNA than they usually see in low quantity DNA cases.

You’re right, MG. I don’t think we had heard previously that they had so much DNA, so I’m wrong and we did get some new facts.

Ha, imagine if AT had gone to trial with that BS about trace amounts of DNA, touch DNA, and trying to negate IGG altogether. Then the Mittelmans in court blowing that out of the water.

JMO

 

[MassGuy]

You’re right, MG. I don’t think we had heard previously that they had so much DNA, so I’m wrong and we did get some new facts.

Ha, imagine if AT had gone to trial with that BS about trace amounts of DNA and trying to negate IGG altogether. Then the Mittlemans in court blowing that out of the water.

JMO

To me, it was him attacking xana, moving on to Ethan, then coming back to kill Xana. I imagined it that way, but that's the first I'd heard that. Also appears he fell down during the struggle, or at least got down on the floor. Perhaps this is where the "sat down" thing came from.

Also the watch step count helping pin down her time of death, along with her phone. We'd heard about it but I hadn't heard an investigator say that I don't think.

Yeah, I latched on to that DNA thing because I keep having arguments with people who call it "a speck of dust," or a "sliver of DNA."

Not at all.

 

[LinasK]

Well, just got done watching tonight's 20/20 coverage of the case, and it was refreshingly new info. Good backgrounds on each of the victims, Kohlberger's background in PA, Katherine Ramsland, his apartment at WSU, the interior of the murder house. where he entered and exited, Murphy the dog, why Dylan and Bethany didn't call 911 sooner, and where police got "I'm here to help you" from. I couldn't figure it out since the victims were dead. Dylan heard him say it. And the Mad Greek restaurant. I'm now positive that Maddie was his intended target and he somehow found her working at the Mad Greek and targeted her. Everyone else was unexpected collateral damage to him. What I still don't know is how he knew which bedroom was Maddie's to head straight to it. He must have stalked the house. And with that much DNA, there's no possible way that the IGG was ever going to be thrown out. Everything about the case is so much clearer now.

 

[LinasK]

Couple new pieces (or at least some clarity) on tonight's 20/20 about the murders, which was very well done:

As far as the timeline goes, Xana's watch (steps) and phone activity shows that she was still moving around at about 4:12am and shortly thereafter, which is a couple minutes after Kohberger would have made entry. Lt. Gilbertson (ISP Lead Detective) says that Kaylee and Maddie were killed very quickly, but were stabbed repeatedly many times.Something alerts Kohberger that Xana is there, and he stops what he is doing. Xana runs, and Kohberger attacks Xana in her doorway, where she "fought like hell." Kohberger then sees Ethan, and reaches over and stabs him, killing him instantly. He continues to fight with Xana, ending up on the floor where he kills her.

Interesting tidbit: The founder of Othram says the DNA that was flown down to their lab by law enforcement, was a lot of DNA. It was not a trace amount, and was in fact 500 times more DNA than they usually see in low quantity DNA cases.

Kohberger only left the house 3 times while he was in Pennsylvania, and was wearing rubber gloves each time.There was conversation among the family speculating as to Bryan's involvement, but they dismissed it.

Kohberger inquired as to "which [media] outlets were circling" after his arrest. Clearly surprised about the amount of attention. Totally normal concern for an innocent person.

Christmas night Kohberger was on a rudimentary serial killer website and clicked one killer after another for two hours. And finally the backstory about the Chapin family involvement with Othram. Kristen Mittelman, co-founder of Othram along with her husband David, had a chance encounter with Ethan Chapin's mom years ago, apparently prior to Kohberger being identified. Kristen told his mom "we're working on your case, and everything is going to be ok. "They relied on this to get them through their toughest days, and now want to advocate for the work being done at Othram.

So Ted Bundy was his role model. Figures- he also attacked sleeping coeds for the sexual gratification.

 

[Dexter12]

According to the ISP report, the crime scene in the living room showed a lot of blood on he walls, the half wall and drops of blood on the beer pong table. He had to of chased Xana in that room at some point.

 

[Warwick7]

Where can I watch this new 20/20?

 

[Warwick7]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1964319183900209282

 

[wendy44]

One interesting tidbit in the BF interview posted in the previous thread--BF says that KG had decided she wasn't going to Texas. With Murphy missing, was that why she was calling JD over and over, at one point telling him that they had a dog together? It was because she couldn't find Murphy?

Also--in the Nancy Grace interview with KG's parents, SG said he was yelled at by the judge in a closed hearing to stop talking to the press--would this have been Judge Judge? The timeline seems to fit him better, but it's hard to imagine him yelling at SG lol.
JMO

 

[crcap]

I just don’t get, if Maddie was his target, why he would be surprised to find so many other people in that house. He clearly staked out the house and had to have known there were other people there. Maybe he just really wanted to do it and knew he’d never be able to get her alone.

 

[Megnut]

I just don’t get, if Maddie was his target, why he would be surprised to find so many other people in that house. He clearly staked out the house and had to have known there were other people there. Maybe he just really wanted to do it and knew he’d never be able to get her alone.

IMO because breaking and entering, controlling life and death, overpowering an incapacitated victim are part of the sexual motivation. In fact, IMO that is the sexual event.

He was willing to take risks toward that end, though I think he just hadn't factored for KG being in the bed too, and that alerted Murphy and the other roommates -- for all of his preparation, it was grossly and poorly planned.

And yet, all that carnage didn't unnerve him in the least. A couple of hours later, he's talking to Mother... taking a selfie... callous.

I am so sorry for what the surviving roommates went through and are going through. I hope they find some consolation in knowing that how deeply they feel this trauma is a sign of how good and caring and real they are.

Complete opposite of the human imposter who created all this pain. He's hollow, shallow, dark.

He chose evil.

JMO

 

[DizzyB]

I do wonder if he had been in before.

 

[SteveP]

IMO because breaking and entering, controlling life and death, overpowering an incapacitated victim are part of the sexual motivation. In fact, IMO that is the sexual event.

He was willing to take risks toward that end, though I think he just hadn't factored for KG being in the bed too, and that alerted Murphy and the other roommates -- for all of his preparation, it was grossly and poorly planned.

And yet, all that carnage didn't unnerve him in the least. A couple of hours later, he's talking to Mother... taking a selfie... callous.

I am so sorry for what the surviving roommates went through and are going through. I hope they find some consolation in knowing that how deeply they feel this trauma is a sign of how good and caring and real they are.

Complete opposite of the human imposter who created all this pain. He's hollow, shallow, dark.

He chose evil.

JMO

Another interesting tidbit from the 20/20 program last night, he took a lot of selfies, but apparently, according to those who examined his phone, he never sent any of them to anyone. I know some people suggested that the creepy thumb-up selfie taken a few hours after the murders was taken so his mother could see him in a new shirt birthday gift, or some such, but apparently it was what I, and most others here thought all along, just a congratulatory, thumb's-up momento of his murders that he could look back at and enjoy whenever he wished. I guess he will just have to close his eyes and imagine it now. JMO

 

[Megnut]

I do wonder if he had been in before.

I'm going to guess yes on that.

Iirc there was a time they came home and the slider was open and Murphy was missing...

Outside the bounds of saved CCTV, he may even have attempted his crime on previous occasions. Not the 23 but other times, withis phone off.

I think too it would have been important to him to know what kind of doors and locks he was up against. He may be the reason the slider didn't lock, having jimmied with it prior.

Going by his recovered adult internet searches, limited though they were (because of his deliberate counter measures), I really think sleeping victims (sleeping, drunk, drugged) was core to his sexual diet. I think he cultivated it at his house when he was growing up. I think he feels very powerful watching people sleep because he knows how quickly he could kill them. That's part of the sick thrill.

Shocking how immature he is. Bundy and BTK knew how to blend into society. BK bottomed out of his PhD program almost before he started. It takes a special fool to have issues with students, peers and admin. Trifecta of failure-to-get-along-with-anyone.

Had he an ounce of charm and a modicum of smarts, he might have played the game, balancing the expectations on those three levels. Hiding in plain sight. Professor of criminal psychology, maybe married with children while being a serial killer in secret.

Instead of looks like he selected WSU as a cover for what he really wanted go do -- and with no pretense even of maintaining it beyond that.

A little bit like a school shooter. All in, no after plan.

If the is any consolation here, it's that he was stopped. Before he could destroy more lives.

If only he could have been stopped before he took these.

Such beautiful souls, so full of life. Joy, hope, promise.

Something he has none of.

JMO

 

[Dexter12]

Xana ad to have been chased into the living room, per ISP report of living room crime scene. Page 95

 

[Megnut]

IMO it's was BK whom DM heard on the stairs.

And he heard DM and possibly XK and knew they were potential obstacles to his escape. He was ferocious and unrelenting, with both ends of the Kbar, then raced down the stairs, intent on killing whoever stood in his way.

KG has gotten ready for bed and had gotten in bed, per DM/BF. No combat boots.

XK was in panties and sweatshirt. Maybe she had boots on, if she'd gone outside to get her DD but even if she had, send like she'd have kicked them right back off. And maybe she did. In the living room. One here, one there.

So, if either KG or XK were on the stairs, IMO their footfalls would be pretty quiet. BK was the loud one.

I'm convinced it all happened in a span of four minutes. That's how lethal a kbar is.

JMO