GUILTY PLEA DEAL ACCEPTED - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered, Bryan Kohberger Arrested, Moscow, Nov 2022 #116

[Synergizer Bunny]

Just watched 20/20. It was really nice seeing clips of the kids so alive and so happy and so sad, too. It reminds me of when I was that age. I just don't get the motive for the senseless murders. I wonder if it was BK's intent to enter every room and murder everyone in the house.

I mean, it was perfect timing for him. It was after the last football game. These kids were at tailgate parties before the game and continued to party later on that night. So, he expected them to all be zonked out and easy prey at 4 a.m. It thankfully didn't turn out as easy as he thought it would. Two lives were saved and evidence was left behind.

Does anyone think that BK may have driven back to the house the next morning after he realized that he left the sheath there contemplating if he should try to retrieve it? I think that he was disrupted by Xana while upstairs, and that's why he forgot it. Once he got home and looked for it, he realized exactly what happened. He drove back to the crime scene and contemplated on going back in but decided it was too risky. Just a thought.

JMO

 

[Kemug]

I wonder how it would have been if Xana had managed to get away from BK, hidden until he left, and eventually recovered from her injuries. Maybe not a whole lot different? BK would still be where he is right now. The other 3 beautiful kids would still be dead. Xana would be mourning her lovely Ethan, and would likely be scarred for life in every way. So so evil.

 

[MassGuy]

Just watched 20/20. It was really nice seeing the kids and sad, too. It reminds me of when I was that age. I just don't get the motive for the senseless murders. I wonder if it was BK's intent to enter every room and murder everyone in the house.

I mean, it was perfect timing for him. It was after the last football game. These kids were at tailgate parties before the game and continued to party later on that night. So, he expected them to all be zonked out and easy prey at 4 a.m. It thankfully didn't turn out as easy as he thought it would. Two lives were saved and evidence was left behind.

Does anyone think that BK may have driven back to the house the next morning after he realized that he left the sheath there contemplating if he should try to retrieve it? I think that he was disrupted by Xana while upstairs, and that's why he forgot it. Once he got home and looked for it, he realized exactly what happened. He drove back to the crime scene and contemplated on going back in but decided it was too risky. Just a thought.

JMO

That theory has been kicked around since the PCA, although I'm not a huge fan. We learned that he had downloaded a scanner app (if I recall it was in a report somewhere), and I think he was confused when he didn't hear anything by 9 that morning. I think he was in the general area - close enough to see if police were there, but didn't go particularly close (they didn't have any video of this).

I just can't fathom it even occurring to him that it was possible he could make entry again in broad daylight. That would be way riskier than just leaving the sheath, and hoping there was no DNA on it.

 

[snooptroop88]

Agree, one may have been preferred over another, but I am sure the murderer knew there were multiple girls in that house. I still think he could have wanted to target as many as possible. They were the very representation of who he blamed for his failures and short comings.

Xana being up and moving and then finding a big, strapping jock Ethan in her room, DM awake and calling out, and Murphy barking were factors he didn't consider which put him on the run.

I just don't think he would have gone in and killed Maddie if she was alone and then immediately left. Maybe he was planning some sick pseudo s e x u a l contact with her being passed out or dead.

How I wish he would have tripped on the stairs and fell onto the knife 5 times while chasing Xana.

JMO

Totally, totally agreed on all of this. I don't think he was set on any one person to that extent. It was everything, it was the house, the victims, the violence, the horrors, he'd get the deranged rush. If he was set on just one victim, no way he'd have entered with DD, no way. But jmo.

I'm going to guess yes on that.

Iirc there was a time they came home and the slider was open and Murphy was missing...

Outside the bounds of saved CCTV, he may even have attempted his crime on previous occasions. Not the 23 but other times, withis phone off.

I think too it would have been important to him to know what kind of doors and locks he was up against. He may be the reason the slider didn't lock, having jimmied with it prior.

Going by his recovered adult internet searches, limited though they were (because of his deliberate counter measures), I really think sleeping victims (sleeping, drunk, drugged) was core to his sexual diet. I think he cultivated it at his house when he was growing up. I think he feels very powerful watching people sleep because he knows how quickly he could kill them. That's part of the sick thrill.

Shocking how immature he is. Bundy and BTK knew how to blend into society. BK bottomed out of his PhD program almost before he started. It takes a special fool to have issues with students, peers and admin. Trifecta of failure-to-get-along-with-anyone.

Had he an ounce of charm and a modicum of smarts, he might have played the game, balancing the expectations on those three levels. Hiding in plain sight. Professor of criminal psychology, maybe married with children while being a serial killer in secret.

Instead of looks like he selected WSU as a cover for what he really wanted go do -- and with no pretense even of maintaining it beyond that.

A little bit like a school shooter. All in, no after plan.

If the is any consolation here, it's that he was stopped. Before he could destroy more lives.

If only he could have been stopped before he took these.

Such beautiful souls, so full of life. Joy, hope, promise.

Something he has none of.

JMO

Agreed, he was likely actually IN that house. But when? I still believe the perfect time for this Grim Reaper to risk a foray into that house was Halloween. And Halloween was not all that long before he murdered. Masked, costumed, and ready "to party." Somewhat like the pool party. Maybe latched on to unsuspecting kids with some gimmick, maybe just wasn't noticed solo. I'd love, love to know what was on BK's itinerary around Halloween. (Someone should ask Mother.)

And he'd undoubtedly been out playing his tricks with Murphy in the area behind the house. He could get such good views of the inside of that house from outside, he might not have needed to enter. He's such a vicious, condescending villain, though, I'd still guess he did enter it, and jmo if ever there was a night that might have given him that opportunity, it was Halloween.

It's speculation, yes, but I consider it the best I can do because I don't see how we'd ever know without his "input." And we know what a good source of information the stargazer is.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

That theory has been kicked around since the PCA, although I'm not a huge fan. We learned that he had downloaded a scanner app (if I recall it was in a report somewhere), and I think he was confused when he didn't hear anything by 9 that morning. I think he was in the general area - close enough to see if police were there, but didn't go particularly close (they didn't have any video of this).

I just can't fathom it even occurring to him that it was possible he could make entry again in broad daylight. That would be way riskier than just leaving the sheath, and hoping there was no DNA on it.

Do you think that BK went there to just kill Maddie? If so, why her? I kind of think that was the case. Kaylee had moved out. The other two victims, if they had been asleep in their bedroom, may not have been disturbed?

Bryan Kohberger Did Not Plan to Murder All 4 Victims, Suggests Prosecutor as He Fights Back Tears in Court

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson suggested that at least two of the victims may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time

www.yahoo.com

JMO.

 

[Gemmie]

Does anyone think that BK may have driven back to the house the next morning after he realized that he left the sheath there contemplating if he should try to retrieve it? I think that he was disrupted by Xana while upstairs, and that's why he forgot it. Once he got home and looked for it, he realized exactly what happened. He drove back to the crime scene and contemplated on going back in but decided it was too risky. Just a thought.

SBMFF

Some may think that but that's not my theory about why he returned. I believe he returned because he wanted to see what was going on from his night of terror. Like how an arsonist will stick around and watch the commotion he was responsible for. I think people like that get a charge out of it, especially when they blend in, knowing full well what they did, but no one else knows. It's like their big secret. Weirdos.

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

SBMFF

Some may think that but that's not my theory about why he returned. I believe he returned because he wanted to see what was going on from his night of terror. Like how an arsonist will stick around and watch the commotion he was responsible for. I think people like that get a charge out of it, especially when they blend in, knowing full well what they did, but no one else knows. It's like their big secret. Weirdos.

That would be pretty stupid, though. I mean, doesn't his phone or his car have GPS tracking? Plus, their is video surveillance and Ring cameras and security cameras all over the place. You'd think that someone like this would have researched all that before his big kill. Apparently not. Very sad.

Did you watch 20/20 documentary? There were lots of great clips of the kids. They were just so happy living their young lives. :'( I can remember those days. You never in a million years think that anything is going to happen to you.

JMO.

 

[Gemmie]

That would be pretty stupid, though. I mean, doesn't his phone or his car have GPS tracking? Plus, their is video surveillance and Ring cameras and security cameras all over the place. You'd think that someone like this would have researched all that before his big kill. Apparently not. Very sad.

Did you watch 20/20 documentary? There were lots of great clips of the kids. They were just so happy living their young lives. :'( I can remember those days. You never in a million years think that anything is going to happen to you.

JMO.

Haven't we determined that he's not as smart as he likes to think he is? LOL

 

[MassGuy]

Do you think that BK went there to just kill Maddie? If so, why her? I kind of think that was the case. Kaylee had moved out. The other two victims, if they had been asleep in their bedroom, may not have been disturbed?

Bryan Kohberger Did Not Plan to Murder All 4 Victims, Suggests Prosecutor as He Fights Back Tears in Court

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson suggested that at least two of the victims may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time

www.yahoo.com

JMO.

I think he had maybe seen Maddie through her window during his previous trips, and maybe fixated on her. He had no way of knowing KG was there that night, much less in the same bed.

If everything went according to plan, I think she was supposed to be the only victim. Unfortunately, just minutes before he arrived, Xana had ordered food, which meant she was up and about. That ultimately put two additional victims in the crosshairs.

 

[Arkay]

SBMFF

Some may think that but that's not my theory about why he returned. I believe he returned because he wanted to see what was going on from his night of terror. Like how an arsonist will stick around and watch the commotion he was responsible for. I think people like that get a charge out of it, especially when they blend in, knowing full well what they did, but no one else knows. It's like their big secret. Weirdos.

This is exactly how I see it.

The grand finale.

We’ve seen how he believed he could talk his way out of trouble the three times we’ve seen him interact with police while driving.

My guess is he thought the murders would have been discovered by morning, he’d get a big kick out of observing the police swarming over the site while he relives it, sitting smugly in his car, watching, nobody knowing it’s him.

If a cop noticed him hanging around he’d imagine he could launch into his patented cop routine—-talk in circles as to why he was there.

I don’t think he’d at all re-enter the house to try to find his sheath. He knew that house was full of blood and he’d give himself away.

Thank God his DNA was lying in wait to expose him.

JMO

 

[Rosydecember]

Do you think that BK went there to just kill Maddie? If so, why her? I kind of think that was the case. Kaylee had moved out. The other two victims, if they had been asleep in their bedroom, may not have been disturbed?

Bryan Kohberger Did Not Plan to Murder All 4 Victims, Suggests Prosecutor as He Fights Back Tears in Court

Latah County Prosecutor Bill Thompson suggested that at least two of the victims may have been in the wrong place at the wrong time

www.yahoo.com

JMO.

Just want to clarify that Kaylee moved out like two weeks prior… it’s not like she moved out months ago. I think people are putting too much into that line of thinking. There’s a chance he didn’t know Kaylee had moved out…. So with that, I don’t think we can automatically rule out Kaylee as not being the intended target.

 

[Diddian]

I'm watching the ABC 20/20 show, Idaho Justice. I've seen the video of the roommates, Dylan and Bethany, and their friends outside the house and Hunter greeting LE at the door and walking them upstairs many times.

Each time, I am so impressed with Hunter's ability under those extremely horrifying circumstances to maintain his composure, protect himself (getting a steak knife from kitchen) and the scene, and shield his friends from complete awareness of what has happened to their other roommates in their home and as they intermittently slept - while at the same time urging them to call 911 to get officials to the scene.

Forget guys like Kohberger and their desire to exploit criminal justice studies for their own selfish ends. If Hunter has not already chosen his life vocation, he would definitely be extremely valuable in public service as criminal law enforcement and investigation. He demonstrated the skills and situational awareness that would serve the public well in such a capacity, and given what he has personally witnessed, he has a deep well of compassion from which to serve victims and their loved ones as well.

Whatever he chooses, I wish him peace, happiness, and success. He couldn't save his friends, but his careful actions helped protect the pursuit of justice against the person who killed them.

 

[Arkay]

I feel that Maddie was in fact his intended victim just because he went straight to her room.

However, I allow for the possibility it was Kaylee. Yes she’d moved out and had a new car, but IF, big IF, he’d been scouring their SM, he’d have seen that final picture of the six of them and would know Kaylee was on the premises.

It’s truly a ghastly coincidence that Xana’s plan for takeout merged with BK’s plan for murder. If not, maybe he’d have bypassed Xana and Ethan, as he did with the other two roommates.

We will never know.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

If only Murphy could talk.

Did he hang out with XP and her delicious JITB? He would have heard the cars, the doors, the crinkling of food wrappers.

And again, when the felon opened the slider. Did Murphy run down to the door to see who opened it? Did he run up the stairs after the felon?

At any point did the felon shove or kick Murphy? Hard enough that he retreated and stayed quiet for a couple of minutes?

He didn't follow the felon out of the house, at least not immediately or DM would have seen him too.

The grief in that group of friends huddled together and the sight of Murphy being led away, looking back, will stay with me.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

He murdered four vibrant human beings that day. He murdered enduring they would have gone on to become.

And he murdered innocence.

All so senseless. He was never going to be successful at much of anything, it's maddening thst he thought he was entitled to do what he did, like he was some power ninja.

He was nothing but a coward.

JMO

 

[GOBliaison]

Xana runs, and Kohberger attacks Xana in her doorway, where she "fought like hell." Kohberger then sees Ethan, and reaches over and stabs him, killing him instantly. He continues to fight with Xana, ending up on the floor where he kills her.

^ w/ VGR excised for emphasis ^
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One thing I've not been able to put to rest - and I apologize if this has previously been addressed:

How did BK egress Xana's room?...
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...inasmuch as a discovery witness / surviving roommate(s) initially offered that they chose there and then not to force the door very far because, they said - and I hereafter I paraphrase - '...Xana was on the floor just inside... perhaps passed-out and sleeping there and not in bed ...' ?

So...
- Was it by stepping past a deceased Xana
to squeeze through her closed but now partially-blocked doorway
before fully closing it behind him?...

OR

- Was it by stepping past a dying Xana
to open, pass through and re-close, unimpeded, said doorway,
bearing in mind that Xana herself fell to rest blocking it ? ...

* * *
But with Xana so near the door, should not the conclusion be that
it was with her dying strength she sought to reach it?

IMO, YES!
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A fittingly ghastly [caution please] circumstance could be that she initially reached her goal, got her door at least ajar, only to feel herself being forcefully pushed back by it. Lastly sensing it being again pulled away from her. And once more shut. And she, with vision dimming, holding-on but with not enough of her life left to try again. My Lord. Such selfless courage and heroism is for me unfathomable.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

SBMFF

Some may think that but that's not my theory about why he returned. I believe he returned because he wanted to see what was going on from his night of terror. Like how an arsonist will stick around and watch the commotion he was responsible for. I think people like that get a charge out of it, especially when they blend in, knowing full well what they did, but no one else knows. It's like their big secret. Weirdos.

Yes agree with all on this. And it seems IMO that BK had not realized early he had forgotten the sheath? Wonder exactly when that did occur to the convicted defendant? It surely wasn’t IMO before the time of that confident self-aggrandizing selfie taken in the bathroom mirror. And I am not recalling exactly when that image was taken. Seems it was shortly after returning to his apartment. Sure wonder exactly when it was realized by him that a ‘calling card’ had been left. MOO

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

I also am surprised with Xana fighting so much that BK didn't accidentally cut himself. Was he wearing gloves? I'm assuming that he wasn't because didn't they collect other DNA that he left??

JMO.

 

[Warwick7]

I've often wondered if he was intending to go back upstairs to find his sheath...until he saw DM.
Once he saw DM he just headed out the door. M00

 

[Dexter12]

MSN

At the Crime Conference (Crime Con), Stacy Chapin describes when she first got the news that her son Ethan had been killed -

After hearing the news, Stacy abandoned her shopping cart and left the store. She and her husband then had to get in their car and drive for more than five hours to Moscow. Stacy and her husband picked up Ethan’s siblings from the police station and the four went to a hotel for the night. The next morning, Stacy woke up early and went out for a walk.

“I walked to the house,” Stacy said, referring to the crime scene. “My son was still there in it. And I just stood outside of it for a little bit.”

I thought the bodies were removed the night of Nov 13th, not the 14th