Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[cityslick]

I agree,they need to be careful,but I wish they had participated in arranging and joining in legit vigils at a park ,church or school. I'm sure there are trustworthy locals that would help them.
I just don't see them focusing on Lisa in any way. Everything is about THEM,what they want and how they need to be protected from LE and the public.
If the boys have questions,then answer them. People care about your sister and just want to remember her. Everyone is sad the way we are sad because she's not home.


The way they behave sets off the hinky meter. JMO

I agree they should be going to more of these kind of things, but I'd (and I'm sure a whole lot of others at this point) question whether that was being done genuine manner or for PR purposes. You brought up the protesters in the CA case, perhaps the parents saw the same thing and feel putting themselves out in public at this point would subject themselves to the same type of behavior. I understand, it shouldn't be about them but to some (not all), they have made it about the parents, more than BL.

 

[Elley Mae]

Once a week that was it, it would not have lasted a long time, it could not have hurt the boys to see a community that cared for their little sister, they have to know some of what is going on, jmo

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/0...or-prayer-vigils-to-stop-is-a-tell-tale-sign/

 

[Nixie]

I am confused about how often the vigils were this local report says they were almost nightly.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16148252/last-prayer-vigil-to-be-held

Once a week is a big difference then nightly imo

 

[MissJames]

I agree they should be going to more of these kind of things, but I'd (and I'm sure a whole lot of others at this point) question whether that was being done genuine manner or for PR purposes. You brought up the protesters in the CA case, perhaps the parents saw the same thing and feel putting themselves out in public at this point would subject themselves to the same type of behavior. I understand, it shouldn't be about them but to some (not all), they have made it about the parents, more than BL.

Honestly, if they weren't hiding out I would be on the fence about guilt.
I gave an example early on,of what happened when my son had a seizure that morning. I couldn't recall everything that happened or a timeline. It was pure panic and I empathized with DB.It's not the timeline or changes in

If they are innocent I think they really screwed up by lawyering up with a high profile attorney and avoiding the public.
They look like they are hiding something.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

e-mail from Ashley Irwin explaining why vigils were stopped

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...ght-on-why-vigils-to-stop-outside-family-home

Nomatter what DB and JI have done in regards to the disappearance of Lisa, having a prayer vigil on their lawn nightly or, even routinely, should not be a choice of the community.

Personally, I consider myself a spiritual person who depends on prayer to get me through good and bad times. And I wouldn't want people on my lawn repeatedly.

Prayer vigils are only one of MANY ways to keep a baby's memory alive. It is not the ONLY, SACRED, ACCEPTED means to this end.

I can imagine what kinds of drama and gossip that can transpire from people who are using these gatherings as a means to make themselves feel worthwhile. They should be questioning their own motives. If indeed they are truly holding vigils for Lisa, then any place and or any time should be just fine with them!

 

[Jacie Estes]

As someone else pointed out, that's where the confusion was. You stated it was on video and there isn't video of this.

<snipped> Edith was the voice for Erica Green (Precious Doe) just as she has become for Lisa. <snipped>

I have had a cousin murdered and my husband has had a family member murdered. We both know the aftermath of murder, we have seen the media deluge, the vigils and what else.

I saw video of Edith at the birthday vigil and the last vigil. I read her words in news forums. Her actions show me that she went beyond advocating and began blaming. Perhaps she is too emotional and needs to step back from this, maybe start a website or an organization to address missing /murdered children. Edith is not the voice for Lisa. IMHO She is too emotional, clearly her daughter's loss has carried over. I hope she will seek some kind of counseling. IMHO

The bottom line is that she was standing on the Irwin's front lawn being demonstrative not prayerful. If it were me I would be concerned for the safety of my family and, as demonstrated by Mr. Irwin Sr., the safety of Edith. What if she fell or had a heart attack or stroke on the front lawn. Do the two boys need to see police, fire and EMTs, with all the flashing lights in a war-like scene? What would the liability be for the Irwin's?

Finally, In Da Middle lives right down the street from the Irwin's, I trust IDM's accounts of occurences implicity.

 

[madge]

[If indeed they are truly holding vigils for Lisa, then any place and or any time should be just fine with them!
/B]

Reports are they have found a new place so they will continue their work in efforts to find Baby Lisa.

At least some people in the community are doing something at this point.

I commend them, it's cold now and they are still out performing mundane duties of putting up fresh posters, conducting searches and keeping Baby Lisa's face out there.

 

[highflyer]

As someone else pointed out, that's where the confusion was. You stated it was on video and there isn't video of this.

I too have stopped traffic for two missing cases. I was handing out fliers. Everyone was very receptive of me, along with the other volunteers doing so, especially LE when it generated a tip.



I am local, I personally attended a vigil, talked to several neighbors and have had previous encounters with Edith during the Erica Green ordeal. Edith is not there in a negative format, and she wasn't there for Erica Green in a negative format. Edith was the voice for Erica Green (Precious Doe) just as she has become for Lisa.

Just so everyone here knows, my comments are not personal attacks against any posters here, I enjoy corresponding with all of you.

Knowing what Edith is doing from organizing searches, handing out fliers, advocating for Lisa etc... And I am asking this in a factual manner....
Name one family member of the Irwin/Bradley family or extended family who is doing half as much or more on behalf of Lisa?

Sure, Ashley is distributing fliers. Grandpa Irwin is talking to the media telling them prayers at the residence is a burden.
Name one family member that is advocating for Lisa?
Put the high profile attorneys on the shelf for a minute.
Even with their involvement, certainly one family member should be advocating being the voice for Lisa, not Edith?

Alternatively, we can go the route of "none of the family members are advocating for Lisa, and Edith nor any other caring person from the community should either"
We all have the right to think that I guess...

Woman needs mental help not someone egging her on.

 

[Minette]

Nomatter what DB and JI have done in regards to the disappearance of Lisa, having a prayer vigil on their lawn nightly or, even routinely, should not be a choice of the community.

Personally, I consider myself a spiritual person who depends on prayer to get me through good and bad times. And I wouldn't want people on my lawn repeatedly.

Prayer vigils are only one of MANY ways to keep a baby's memory alive. It is not the ONLY, SACRED, ACCEPTED means to this end.

I can imagine what kinds of drama and gossip that can transpire from people who are using these gatherings as a means to make themselves feel worthwhile. They should be questioning their own motives. If indeed they are truly holding vigils for Lisa, then any place and or any time should be just fine with them!

This is a very thoughtful post, and thanks were not enough.

As I have stated before, prayer vigils should not be used as a tool of vengeance or shaming (i.e., as a means to show that the parents aren't behaving as many think they should, and 'show them up' publicly) and I am afraid that the ones for Lisa had started to become that. That is not consistent with the spirit of prayer. IMO, of course.

 

[In da Middle]

That's why I phoned the City of Kansas City last week to inquire about legiality of this. It was noted last week that the family "did not want this to take place in front of their house."
(I am not endorsing this, just passing along the specifics of the law)
As my post informed everyone here, it is legal, no permit is required, and they can stand on public easement which is 4' from the roadway towards any residence on the street.
In this particular case, it's not about permission, it's about the law.
It's no different than debating LE wanting to go pick up JI or DB and take them in for questioning seperately. Legally, they don't have to. LE and some of the public wants them to.

I find no point in debating the situation, just passing along facts are simple and fair enough which allows us all to voice our opinion.
While some of us can morally and ethically believe there should be no prayer in front of the house, law allows it.
While some of us can morally and ethically want JI and DB to go in for interviews and be the voice of their daughter and make public pleas for her return, it doesnt have to happen.

In the end, some of us will be right here, and some of us will be wrong here. None of us have an answer to who is right or wrong at this point.

City codes Edith is violating per KCMO City Charter


Sec. 50-102. - Trespass generally.
(a)
A person commits a violation of this section if he knowingly enters unlawfully or knowingly remains unlawfully in or on a building or inhabitable structure or upon real property.
(b)
A person does not commit a violation of this section by entering or remaining upon real property unless the real property is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or as to which notice against trespass is given by:
(1)
Actual communication to the actor; or
(2)
Posting in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.






Sec. 50-159. - Harassment.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, for the purpose of frightening, intimidating, causing substantial emotional distress or disturbing another person or with the result of frightening, intimidating, causing substantial emotional distress or disturbing another person of reasonable or average sensibility to:
(1)
Communicate in person, by telephone, in writing, by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device a threat that would place that other person in reasonable fear of death, physical injury or financial harm or reasonable fear of the same to a family member or acquaintance.
(2)
Make a telephone call(s), communicate in person, in writing, by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device, and use any coarse, vulgar or profane language offensive to one of average sensibility;
(3)
Make a telephone call anonymously or using a spurious name or send a written or electronic communication anonymously or using a spurious name; or
(4)
Make repeated telephone calls or send repetitive written messages or messages by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device to another.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly permit any telephone, fax machine or other electronic communications device under his/her control to be used for any purpose prohibited by this section.
(c)
It shall be unlawful for any person to commit acts described in subsection (a) herein if these acts are directed toward, or received by, a telephone, a telephone answering device, a voice mail system, electronic facsimile (fax) equipment or any other electronic communications device.






Sec. 50-161. - Loitering.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person to loiter, loaf, wander, stand or remain idle either alone or in concert with others in a public place in such manner so as to:
(1)
Obstruct any public street, public highway or public sidewalk or any other public place or building by hindering or impeding the free and uninterrupted passage of vehicles, traffic or pedestrians.
(2)
Commit in or upon any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property or with any business lawfully conducted by anyone in or upon or facing or fronting on any such public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto.
(b)
When any person causes or commits any of the conditions enumerated in subsection (a) of this section, a police officer or any law enforcement officer shall order that person to stop causing or committing such conditions and to move on or disperse. Any person who fails or refuses to obey such orders shall be guilty of a violation of this section, and shall be so charged following the receipt by such officer of a signed complaint from a third party.



Sec. 50-164. - Disorderly conduct.
Any person who, with intent to provoke a breach of the peace or whereby a breach of the peace may be occasioned, commits any of the following acts shall be deemed to have committed the offense of disorderly conduct:
(1)
Uses offensive, disorderly, threatening, abusive or insulting language, conduct or behavior.
(2)
Acts in such a manner as to annoy, disturb, interfere with, obstruct or be offensive to others or to any lawful assemblage.
(3)
Shouts or makes a noise either outside or inside a building during the nighttime to the annoyance or disturbance of any considerable number of persons.
(4)
Causes a disturbance in any railroad car, omnibus or other public conveyance by running through it, climbing through windows or upon the seats, or otherwise annoying passengers or employees therein.
(5)
Wanders, prowls or loiters upon the private property of another, in the nighttime, and peeks or peers in the door or window of any building or structure located thereon which is inhabited by human beings, without any visible or lawful business with the owners or occupants thereof.



Sec. 50-167. - Disturbing the peace.
No person shall, in the city, disturb the peace of any person by unseemly or profane language calculated to provoke a breach of the peace, or by violent, tumultuous, offensive or obstreperous conduct or carriage, or by loud or unusual noises or by assaulting, striking or fighting another, or shall, in the city, allow or permit any such conduct or language in or upon any house or premises owned or occupied by him or under his management or control, so that any other person in the vicinity thereof is disturbed thereby.





Per city code an owner can protect his property from unwanted people. They cannot impede pedestrian or vehicle traffic nor disturb the property owner or their neighbors. She was doing all of the bolded above. If she has her "march" to the property on Saturday she can be held on any of the above. She has been advised to not be on their property and that is all that is required to meet the above criteria.

 

[matou]

quoting indepmo:

Knowing what Edith is doing from organizing searches, handing out fliers, advocating for Lisa etc... And I am asking this in a factual manner....
Name one family member of the Irwin/Bradley family or extended family who is doing half as much or more on behalf of Lisa?

Sure, Ashley is distributing fliers. Grandpa Irwin is talking to the media telling them prayers at the residence is a burden.
Name one family member that is advocating for Lisa?
Put the high profile attorneys on the shelf for a minute.
Even with their involvement, certainly one family member should be advocating being the voice for Lisa, not Edith?

Alternatively, we can go the route of "none of the family members are advocating for Lisa, and Edith nor any other caring person from the community should either"
We all have the right to think that I guess...

An uncle of Deborah's is advocating for her but I can't link it here (fb). Good post.

 

[hambirg]

You just think that is what you would want. If the media, LE, or JohnQ public was twisting everything you say around and making you sound guilty, you may think differently. It's so easy to sit here in the comfort of our lives and say that we would cooperate with LE and do everything they want. I've seen enough true-life interrogations (yes, on TV) to know how rough they can be. Gosh, how completely different we all think. I could not sit for one minute and be grilled by Piro, Megyn, and a few others whose names I've forgotten.

Does anyone really think this baby is alive? Anyone? What is all this praying supposed to achieve, and what if you don't believe in God? Searchers are looking for a body so that they can charge someone.

You are right. We can all say what we would think we would do in this situation. I have my own personal story, but thankfully it turned out well. I have to thank John Walsh for that. . .and everything that he has done for missing children. . what his unfortunate story has done to change procedures, etc. That is why I respect what he, and others that have been in this situation, have to say, so much.

John Walsh and others, like Marc Klaas have weighed in on this case. They are NOT very empathetic with the Bradwin/Irwins. It would be one thing if they were saying. . .hey, I've been there and know what your going through, and showing support for them. I would respect that. But these people who have been in a situation where they weren't involved in their children's disappearance are saying what some of us are saying. It's not how you act if you are not involved in your child's disappearance.

Walsh has said that you would be at LE every day asking how you can help find your child. He says he would have stood in Times Square naked to bring Adam home. Klaas has said that you go through everything, even if it's uncomfortable for you, to find the truth about your child. He has said that the parents in this case seem to be "circling the wagons." Those are strong words.

People here can defend the actions of the parents all they want. But let's be clear, their actions are NOT of parents who are trying to find their child because they had nothing to do with that child's disappearance. Even parents that have been in that situation are voicing the same opinion.

MOO

ETA-so if you don't have anything to hide, come on down to police headquarters, with your attorneys and answer their questions. . . separately, if that's what they are asking you to do. If somebody can come up with a legitimate reason why they shouldn't do that, if they are truly not involved with their daughters disappearance and just really want to find her and bring her home, I'm all ears!

 

[In da Middle]

It's possible baby Lisa is still alive ,if she really was kidnapped,IMO.
Now let's see.................

**Prayers to find Lisa ,dead or alive and have a resolution to her status of "missing".

**Prayers to find whoever is responsible for Lisa's disappearance so that they are brought to justice and not allowed to do this to another child / family.

**Prayers to bring the family comfort .

**Prayers to help the boys recover from such a traumatic experience.

**Prayers for LE who has a tough ,often dangerous job.

**Prayers for the dogs and their handlers who have been tasked with working this case.

**Prayers for whoever may eventually stumble across the remains of an innocent baby girl. How horrific.

**Prayers for the neighbors whose lives have been turned upside down.May this case be resolved so their neighborhood can return to normal.

And this would be perfectly acceptable prayers. THIS is what a prayer vigil should be about. This is the way they should have stayed.

 

[highflyer]

http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/03/3303813/mother-who-knows-pain-of-an-unsolved.html

"When Windy was 8 years old, a decade before Lisa Irwin’s case exploded into the headlines and became a rich topic for network television talking heads, Windy was touched by the sad story of another little Kansas City girl who became known as Precious Doe.

Windy asked her mother what they could do to help, and together they became immersed in the case of the unknown child, decapitated and dumped in a wooded area near Swope Park.

They took part in the gruesome search for the girl’s missing head. Later, after someone found it, they became involved in the group dedicated to learning who Precious Doe was and who would do something so horrible."



This poor woman has lost a child and you can't help but feel for her and she is obviously still in so much pain. But taking an 8 year old on a search for a little girls head? Wow.

 

[In da Middle]

As someone else pointed out, that's where the confusion was. You stated it was on video and there isn't video of this.

I too have stopped traffic for two missing cases. I was handing out fliers. Everyone was very receptive of me, along with the other volunteers doing so, especially LE when it generated a tip.



I am local, I personally attended a vigil, talked to several neighbors and have had previous encounters with Edith during the Erica Green ordeal. Edith is not there in a negative format, and she wasn't there for Erica Green in a negative format. Edith was the voice for Erica Green (Precious Doe) just as she has become for Lisa.

Just so everyone here knows, my comments are not personal attacks against any posters here, I enjoy corresponding with all of you.

Knowing what Edith is doing from organizing searches, handing out fliers, advocating for Lisa etc... And I am asking this in a factual manner....
Name one family member of the Irwin/Bradley family or extended family who is doing half as much or more on behalf of Lisa?

Sure, Ashley is distributing fliers. Grandpa Irwin is talking to the media telling them prayers at the residence is a burden.
Name one family member that is advocating for Lisa?
Put the high profile attorneys on the shelf for a minute.
Even with their involvement, certainly one family member should be advocating being the voice for Lisa, not Edith?

Alternatively, we can go the route of "none of the family members are advocating for Lisa, and Edith nor any other caring person from the community should either"
We all have the right to think that I guess...

But did you attend any vigil AFTER the birthday vigil? If you would have, then you would understand that it was NOT about Lisa anymore. And no, I was not saying it was on video.I was saying her attitude was on video and that is exactly how she was portraying herself everyday.

 

[hambirg]

City codes Edith is violating per KCMO City Charter


Sec. 50-102. - Trespass generally.
(a)
A person commits a violation of this section if he knowingly enters unlawfully or knowingly remains unlawfully in or on a building or inhabitable structure or upon real property.
(b)
A person does not commit a violation of this section by entering or remaining upon real property unless the real property is fenced or otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders or as to which notice against trespass is given by:
(1)
Actual communication to the actor; or
(2)
Posting in a manner reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders.






Sec. 50-159. - Harassment.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person, for the purpose of frightening, intimidating, causing substantial emotional distress or disturbing another person or with the result of frightening, intimidating, causing substantial emotional distress or disturbing another person of reasonable or average sensibility to:
(1)
Communicate in person, by telephone, in writing, by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device a threat that would place that other person in reasonable fear of death, physical injury or financial harm or reasonable fear of the same to a family member or acquaintance.
(2)
Make a telephone call(s), communicate in person, in writing, by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device, and use any coarse, vulgar or profane language offensive to one of average sensibility;
(3)
Make a telephone call anonymously or using a spurious name or send a written or electronic communication anonymously or using a spurious name; or
(4)
Make repeated telephone calls or send repetitive written messages or messages by fax machine or facsimile transmission or by other electronic communications device to another.
(b)
It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly permit any telephone, fax machine or other electronic communications device under his/her control to be used for any purpose prohibited by this section.
(c)
It shall be unlawful for any person to commit acts described in subsection (a) herein if these acts are directed toward, or received by, a telephone, a telephone answering device, a voice mail system, electronic facsimile (fax) equipment or any other electronic communications device.






Sec. 50-161. - Loitering.
(a)
It shall be unlawful for any person to loiter, loaf, wander, stand or remain idle either alone or in concert with others in a public place in such manner so as to:
(1)
Obstruct any public street, public highway or public sidewalk or any other public place or building by hindering or impeding the free and uninterrupted passage of vehicles, traffic or pedestrians.
(2)
Commit in or upon any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property or with any business lawfully conducted by anyone in or upon or facing or fronting on any such public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto.
(b)
When any person causes or commits any of the conditions enumerated in subsection (a) of this section, a police officer or any law enforcement officer shall order that person to stop causing or committing such conditions and to move on or disperse. Any person who fails or refuses to obey such orders shall be guilty of a violation of this section, and shall be so charged following the receipt by such officer of a signed complaint from a third party.



Sec. 50-164. - Disorderly conduct.
Any person who, with intent to provoke a breach of the peace or whereby a breach of the peace may be occasioned, commits any of the following acts shall be deemed to have committed the offense of disorderly conduct:
(1)
Uses offensive, disorderly, threatening, abusive or insulting language, conduct or behavior.
(2)
Acts in such a manner as to annoy, disturb, interfere with, obstruct or be offensive to others or to any lawful assemblage.
(3)
Shouts or makes a noise either outside or inside a building during the nighttime to the annoyance or disturbance of any considerable number of persons.
(4)
Causes a disturbance in any railroad car, omnibus or other public conveyance by running through it, climbing through windows or upon the seats, or otherwise annoying passengers or employees therein.
(5)
Wanders, prowls or loiters upon the private property of another, in the nighttime, and peeks or peers in the door or window of any building or structure located thereon which is inhabited by human beings, without any visible or lawful business with the owners or occupants thereof.



Sec. 50-167. - Disturbing the peace.
No person shall, in the city, disturb the peace of any person by unseemly or profane language calculated to provoke a breach of the peace, or by violent, tumultuous, offensive or obstreperous conduct or carriage, or by loud or unusual noises or by assaulting, striking or fighting another, or shall, in the city, allow or permit any such conduct or language in or upon any house or premises owned or occupied by him or under his management or control, so that any other person in the vicinity thereof is disturbed thereby.





Per city code an owner can protect his property from unwanted people. They cannot impede pedestrian or vehicle traffic nor disturb the property owner or their neighbors. She was doing all of the bolded above. If she has her "march" to the property on Saturday she can be held on any of the above. She has been advised to not be on their property and that is all that is required to meet the above criteria.

That's all fine and dandy, but why is what she is doing considered "intimidating" or "harrasing"?

Do they want to find Lisa, or are they more worried about how they "feel" others are perceiving them?

 

[In da Middle]

Once a week that was it, it would not have lasted a long time, it could not have hurt the boys to see a community that cared for their little sister, they have to know some of what is going on, jmo

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/12/0...or-prayer-vigils-to-stop-is-a-tell-tale-sign/

It was NOT once a week. She was there nearly EVERY single day. Her vigils were on Tues AND Thurs AND at least once a weekend. Many weeks there were more than that. This was the minimum. The former homicide detective was never here to know.

 

[Jacie Estes]

That's all fine and dandy, but why is what she is doing considered "intimidating" or "harrasing"?

Do they want to find Lisa, or are they more worried about how they "feel" others are perceiving them?

Have you seen the birthday vigil video?

Praying is one thing, flipping out another.

ALSO, It's NOT her front lawn. If she wants to have a vigil do it on her own front lawn, go to where Erica Green's vigils were held. NOT the Irwins' lawn.

 

[indepmo]

City codes Edith is violating per KCMO City Charter


Sec. 50-102. - Trespass generally.

Sec. 50-159. - Harassment.

Sec. 50-161. - Loitering.

Sec. 50-164. - Disorderly conduct.

Sec. 50-167. - Disturbing the peace.


Per city code an owner can protect his property from unwanted people. They cannot impede pedestrian or vehicle traffic nor disturb the property owner or their neighbors. She was doing all of the bolded above. If she has her "march" to the property on Saturday she can be held on any of the above. She has been advised to not be on their property and that is all that is required to meet the above criteria.

I guess I would first ask you to display some sort of proof on these allegations. Video, legal documentation showing this prayer group has;

trepessed, harassed, loitered, been charged with disorderly conduct, or showing they have been charged with disturbing the peace.

I personally posted city code the other day only after contacting the city clerk via telephone in regards to a prayer vigil, public easement and the laws. It was explained to me in great detail what the codes were for such an event. Furthermore, what you are alleging took place would have taken place when they had prior permission to enter the property that exceeded the 4' public easement which would not warrant charges.

If you want the number to the City Clerk's Office of Kansas City Missouri I will be happy to post it again, you could refer back to my post, or you can look it up on kcmo.org

The only real violation I see at the residence (and this one is in the codes enforcement guide online is well), is a sign ordinance.

Realistically, they could even post "No Trespessing" signs in the yard, but that still doesn't cover the public easement.

I metal detect as a hobby, and not that I've done it but I know a group who has in the past, they can metal detect within the easement along the property next to the road and dig holes to search for coins and jewlery. Once again, not something I endorse but it's legal.

 

[Minette]

Snipped and bolded by me:

This poor woman has lost a child and you can't help but feel for her and she is obviously still in so much pain. But taking an 8 year old on a search for a little girls head? Wow.

Say what now????

That's......unusual.

General comment: thinking that prayer vigils should be about prayer != defending the parents' actions or inactions.