Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[lonetraveler]

Never gonna happen in MO

Actually I'm being a bit facetious here. I have been following the thread and have decided that I'm just plain angry. There is all this talk back and forth about if people should be assembling out front of DB house to conduct a vigil for Lisa Irwin. Well, what has pizzzzzzzed me off is that it should be Deborah Bradley out conducting every vigil and marching in the streets waving Lisa's photo, stopping cars at intersections and handing them fliers featuring Lisa's face. DB should be at every single event that she can possibly attend. This is what mothers do when they are frantically searching and pleading for the return of their abducted baby. Deborah Bradley isn't doing any of these things, in fact she has a problem with people who are. I really don't think that there would be a problem with people being in her yard having vigils if she was involved herself in trying to bring her baby home.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Edith has mentioned Penguin Park. Does anyone know why? I have seen this mentioned elsewhere but don't know if it was discussed here or not.

It's about the most popular, well known park in KCMO.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

I'm still trying to figure out why the last 5 pages aren't in the thread about the vigils.

 

[hambirg]

She was the one told about the choice because she was the one organizing the "vigils".

So clearly she was on their radar. Why are people trying to say she wasn't?

 

[Nixie]

I'm still trying to figure out why the last 5 pages aren't in the thread about the vigils.

It is locked.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

So clearly she was on their radar. Why are people trying to say she wasn't?

Please explain "on their radar".

 

[DeAnn]

It's about the most popular, well known park in KCMO.

Swope Park where the zoo is ....more well known. Penn Valley Park. More well known. But most popular and known in the Northland.

 

[indepmo]

I'm pretty sure the ordinance you posted does not give the public any right to occupy a public easement for a period of time. I think all it does is give the public access to it in order to get from the street to somewhere else and in this case, there is no public sidewalk to get to. No public nuthin' is beyond the public street in which to justify the tresspassing, imo.

I would not advise anyone to dig on someone else's property without permission. Even public utilities notify homeowners prior to digging. And homeowners are supposed to notify utilities before they dig into it.

JMO

It's as if everyone here thinks I have posted false information in regards to this, when in reality I was typing while I was on the phone with the woman from the city clerks office word for word what she was telling me.

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The City of Kansas City "Right Away Division" can tell you how much further than 4' the easement is away from the curb since there is no sidewalk in front of this residence.

When doing that, keep in mind this is the question I asked:

I was calling in regards to holding a pray vigil in front of a residence in Kansas City, more specifically the Irwin residence at xxxx N. Lister (I gave the correct address).

Is a permit required? (answer given by clerk)
How far in front of the residence is the easement? (answer given by clerk)

Are there any other things I should do to consider doing this, or anyone else I should call? (answer given by clerk)

Also...............

Compare notes based off of what I was told.

Since this was questioned I did my homework and called the City of Kansas City. It's also important to distinguish the difference between a public easement and a utility easement. The public easement being next to the street, and utility easement behind and beside the residence where electrical and telecommunication cables exist.

I was directed to Charter & Code 50-155 ; 50-85 and 64

No permit required to conduct a prayer vigil in front of any residence in Kansas City. You are allowed to stand on public easement 4' from curb if a sidewalk exists, and it extends further than 4' if no sidewalk exists.

You are not allowed to obstruct people walking down the road.
You cannot obstruct a driveway.
There is no time period that requires you to leave, but other ordinances may fall into play such as disturbing the peace after 11 or midnight. You cannot sleep there, but you can gather there as long as you wish.

It is also advised that you inform police department so they are alerted in the event of a large crowd gathering.

I was instructed to call the "Right Away" division for KC Streets & Traffic to find out what the exact distance extending further than 4' would be.

 

[hambirg]

Please explain "on their radar".

Uh. . they knew she was there. .and wanted her to stop. On the radar means aware of her.

Directly taken from the definiton:

among the things being considered by someone

 

[Deleted member 39678]

It's as if everyone here thinks I have posted false information in regards to this, when in reality I was typing while I was on the phone with the woman from the city clerks office word for word what she was telling me.

The City of Kansas City "Right Away Division" can tell you how much further than 4' the easement is away from the curb since there is no sidewalk in front of this residence.

When doing that, keep in mind this is the question I asked:

I was calling in regards to holding a pray vigil in front of a residence in Kansas City, more specifically the Irwin residence at xxxx N. Lister (I gave the correct address).

Is a permit required? (answer given by clerk)
How far in front of the residence is the easement? (answer given by clerk)

Are there any other things I should do to consider doing this, or anyone else I should call? (answer given by clerk)

Also...............

Compare notes based off of what I was told.

Indepmo. Did you ask if it mattered if the homeowners gave permission for the vigil. The city employee may have assumed that homeowner permission was given.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Uh. . they knew she was there. .and wanted her to stop. On the radar means aware of her.

Directly taken from the definiton:

among the things being considered by someone

What? Someone said that DB and JI didn't know that Edith and these vigils were taking place on their front lawn.

 

[In da Middle]

If people are there for the purest of intentions, why would they be worrying about public easements and if they had the right to be there when they were asked not to be? Sounds very much like a protest and creating havoc instead of a prayer vigil to me.

 

[DeAnn]

Indepmo. Did you ask if it mattered if the homeowners gave permission for the vigil. The city employee may have assumed that homeowner permission was given.

There is a difference between literally standing in someone's yard (which is what this group was doing) and using the right of way (which is what the media uses in having live trucks outside homes even when residents don't want them to be there).

You need homeowner permission for the first. You don't for the second.

 

[Amster]

Wow!, Deflection and spin seems to be working. Too much time is being spent discussing Edith and her problems..once again taking away from the obvious. Searching for Lisa and her killer should be priority. Even Edith knows that. Nobody is listening. We're killing the messenger.

RRP...rapid response team. I know it's used very effectively in politics. Just never seen it used in a criminal case. Not to this extent.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

There is a difference between literally standing in someone's yard (which is what this group was doing) and using the right of way (which is what the media uses in having live trucks outside homes even when residents don't want them to be there).

You need homeowner permission for the first. You don't for the second.

Thanks DeAnn. That makes perfect sense.

 

[hambirg]

What? Someone said that DB and JI didn't know that Edith and these vigils were taking place on their front lawn.

The argument I was given is that Edith wasn't a focus for the parents. She wasn't on their radar. I called BS on that. She was most definitely on the parents' radar.

ETA- my point was why do the parents even care about Edith. They should care about where their daughter is and what is happening to her. What I got in return is that the parents don't care about Edith, but obviously that's not true.

 

[In da Middle]

The argument I was given is that Edith wasn't a focus for the parents. She wasn't on their radar. I called BS on that. She was most definitely on the parents' radar.

WETa- my point was why do the parents even care about Edith. They should care about where their daughter is and what is happening to her. What I got in return is that the parents don't care about Edith, but obviously that's not true.

Yes, because SHE was the one organizing it. You take it to the source and they did.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The argument I was given is that Edith wasn't a focus for the parents. She wasn't on their radar. I called BS on that. She was most definitely on the parents radar.

Oh. I'm sorry I misunderstood. But can't everyone have their own opinion about that subject?

 

[In da Middle]

The argument I was given is that Edith wasn't a focus for the parents. She wasn't on their radar. I called BS on that. She was most definitely on the parents' radar.

WETa- my point was why do the parents even care about Edith. They should care about where their daughter is and what is happening to her. What I got in return is that the parents don't care about Edith, but obviously that's not true.

Yes, because SHE was the one organizing it. You take it to the one responsible and they did.

 

[indepmo]

If people are there for the purest of intentions, why would they be worrying about public easements and if they had the right to be there when they were asked not to be? Sounds very much like a protest and creating havoc instead of a prayer vigil to me.

Because the people with the best intention in this case have been turned away by this family.
Law enforcement, the media, valuable resources, the community.
The Irwin/Bradley families made it sound like they could control who is in front of their house and they cannot.