Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[Nixie]

If I didn't post here or watch the trial of Casey Anthony I would have no idea about these search organizations or how to contact them. I had never heard of them in my daily life or on the news where I live.

 

[Cazzie]

TM has more than just being attacked to consider, he has liability issues to consider, look at what he was dragged into in the CA case. So far, it doesn't look to me like these parents or their attorneys are much different in that regard.

SBM.

Also, a link was posted (I think in Michelle Parker's thread) with an article quoting Tim Miller (of Texas Equusearch) as saying that the Caylee Anthony case nearly bankrupted his organization. They have, of course, gone on many other searches since then.

I've often wondered how these professional SAR teams fund themselves...obviously (to me) personal funds, donations, and volunteers doing much of the leg/4-leg work...and perhaps grants?

This seemingly off-topic discussion is really on-topic, IMO...becuz it relates to perhaps the same reason(s) that DB/JI are not answering vital questions (to LE), not meeting in person with LE since 10/8, and not meeting with LE separately since (I believe, not sure) 10/5 or 10/6. This same reason(s) is possibly why they (and rest of family) have not (as far as we know) asked Texas Equusearch to come.

What is the *real* reason? :waitasec:

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Amazing

What does LE not asking have to do with the family or their attorneys not asking? This is THEIR baby isn't it?

Tim Miller being attacked was MO after seeing everyone who ever tried to help just getting attacked so excuses can be made for the parents actions or inactions regarding their own child.

I never said strangers couldn't be involved, I said Tim Miller doesn't take requests from strangers nor should it be up to strangers to request him. Blows my mind that anyone would imply that everything falls on everyone else, because the parents have the right to do nothing or say nothing. Not even trying to bring in TES to help search for their baby.

TM has more than just being attacked to consider, he has liability issues to consider, look at what he was dragged into in the CA case. So far, it doesn't look to me like these parents or their attorneys are much different in that regard.

So what I take from this is that because LE didn't request TES, it's all ok that the parents or their attorneys don't either.
JMHO

All I was trying to do with my post was to show that LE can ask for assistance from TES. I didn't mention the parents or their attorneys.

 

[annalia]

If I didn't post here or watch the trial of Casey Anthony I would have no idea about these search organizations or how to contact them. I had never heard of them in my daily life or on the news where I live.

DB said she has followed cases, she probably knows who Tim Miller and TES are.

Even if not, there's no doubt that JT and JP knows who is he. Tim Miller and TES are well known in missing person cases. He has a heart of gold, won't even take money from families to go out and search.

 

[In da Middle]

DB said she has followed cases, she probably knows who Tim Miller and TES are.

Even if not, there's no doubt that JT and JP knows who is he. Tim Miller and TES are well known in missing person cases. He has a heart of gold, won't even take money from families to go out and search.

Her stating she "followed" the cases could be like my husband saying he does. I can about guarantee that my husband does not know about Tim Miller as I have not mentioned his organization to him. I will ask him if he does tonight to see. My husband will tell you he follows these cases also. His following the cases tends to be reading the headline and that is all, but he will read the headline about it every time it is published.

 

[annalia]

Her stating she "followed" the cases could be like my husband saying he does. I can about guarantee that my husband does not know about Tim Miller as I have not mentioned his organization to him. I will ask him if he does tonight to see. My husband will tell you he follows these cases also. His following the cases tends to be reading the headline and that is all, but he will read the headline about it every time it is published.

And as I posted, even if not, there's no doubt that JP/JT know very well who he is. They're representing the family right, helping them to get answers?

Haven't both attorneys said that the only thing they're all concentrating and focusing on is finding Lisa? Maybe we're to believe that it never crossed any of their minds to bring in a search team like TES, and no one in family ever thought to ask how they could do it.

And I will have to doublecheck exactly what DB said to be sure, but I'm pretty sure she said she followed them more closely than just reading headlines. She said something like she knows how they work because she's followed these cases in the past.

JMHO

 

[Cazzie]

If either the family or JP/JT had asked TES to search and LE refused to allow it, there is no doubt in my mind that they would be shouting it from the rooftop.

JMHO

But we all know (just an expression to explain what seems obvious), there was most likely no such request made. Such a request would have also stuck out like a sore thumb, based on the rest of DB/JI's words and actions, and lack of other words and actions, since 10/4-ish. JMO.

Altho it would have been very welcome and relieving news to many to know of such a request, even if TE turned it down. We would have seen *something* that the parents were doing to look for Lisa (they didn't even continually appeal to other people for help in finding her). At the very least, such actions would keep her name in the media so that the public wouldn't think Lisa was no longer missing, or the parent(s) are guilty of knowledge (or worse) about specifics of what happened to Lisa.

But what DB/JI did was to refuse to talk to the media (except for the trick-or-treat extravanganza), refuse to talk to LE directly after 10/8, refuse to talk to LE separately after 10/5-6, and lawyer up!

Even if DB and JI were completely falling apart emotionally/psychologically/whatever for the last 2 months, they should have appointed (and should now appoint) a competent family spokesperson to be Lisa's voice. But we know the former isn't the case, per one of their attorneys who recently said that JI has said "every day is getting better" and they are working on getting back to 100% of their normal lives.

How can that be, when 20% of their immediate family has been missing for 2 months? And her first-to-be Halloween, birthday, Thanksgiving have all passed and she's still missing? :waitasec:

 

[Karmaa]

DB said she has followed cases, she probably knows who Tim Miller and TES are.

Even if not, there's no doubt that JT and JP knows who is he. Tim Miller and TES are well known in missing person cases. He has a heart of gold, won't even take money from families to go out and search.

I remember there was a LOT of controversy about TES during the Natalie Holloway case. Unless things have changed, TM is not universally loved and respected.

I don't remember what all the bickering was about, but I remember that at that point (5 years ago?) it was reported that TES had actually never found a body. Have they found one yet?

(Note: I have no opinion on TM - I just know that there might be people who don't think highly of him.)

 

[krimekat]

Amazing

What does LE not asking have to do with the family or their attorneys not asking? This is THEIR baby isn't it?

Tim Miller being attacked was MO after seeing everyone who ever tried to help just getting attacked so excuses can be made for the parents actions or inactions regarding their own child.

I never said strangers couldn't be involved, I said Tim Miller doesn't take requests from strangers nor should it be up to strangers to request him. Blows my mind that anyone would imply that everything falls on everyone else, because the parents have the right to do nothing or say nothing. Not even trying to bring in TES to help search for their baby.

TM has more than just being attacked to consider, he has liability issues to consider, look at what he was dragged into in the CA case. So far, it doesn't look to me like these parents or their attorneys are much different in that regard.

So what I take from this is that because LE didn't request TES, it's all ok that the parents or their attorneys don't either.
JMHO

This has nothing to do with the thread topic, but in defense for Tim @ TES, there are MANY missing children, why take on this crazy case, especially with what happened in FL?

I feel that KCPD, FBI, MO Nat'l Guard & the resources used up to date have been sufficient ! Why should anyone request TES services?

And the investigation continues . . . I see nothing that tells me these parents are not assisting LE. Pumpkin Pie is missing & they don't know what happened to her - that is what the parents are saying/telling LE !

Comparing this to the current case developing in Detroit: GRANTED the situations are NOT similar -- just the opposite reactions from parents of the missing child but the same negativity & accusatory vibe from posters. We're jaded

:waitasec:

 

[Karmaa]

And as I posted, even if not, there's no doubt that JP/JT know very well who he is. They're representing the family right, helping them to get answers?

Haven't both attorneys said that the only thing they're all concentrating and focusing on is finding Lisa? Maybe we're to believe that it never crossed any of their minds to bring in a search team like TES, and no one in family ever thought to ask how they could do it.

And I will have to doublecheck exactly what DB said to be sure, but I'm pretty sure she said she followed them more closely than just reading headlines. She said something like she knows how they work because she's followed these cases in the past.

JMHO

That just reminded me of something that I just posted about - TES and TM were controversial during the Holloway case, and JT was very involved in that case.

That could explain 100% why he would not call in TES specifically. I don't remember the specifics of why Tim Miller was so controversial (I could not have cared less), but it would not surprise me if JT has no love lost for TM.

 

[Whisperer]

Tim Miller is not there because he would also have some hard questions for the parents.

 

[krimekat]

Tim Miller is not there because he would also have some hard questions for the parents.

Your opinion, right?

Not mine . . .

 

[Whisperer]

Mark Klass has a wonderful search group. They located that baby alive last year. MK doesn't think very highly of Lisa's parents...most people don't. I can make the leap that there is no love lost between Lisa's parents and him either.

In fact, Lisa parents don't seem to like anyone or any of the groups that are able to locate their daughter. They seem to like ABC though...when they are being paid for tours and interviews.

 

[Whisperer]

This has nothing to do with the thread topic, but in defense for Tim @ TES, there are MANY missing children, why take on this crazy case, especially with what happened in FL?

I feel that KCPD, FBI, MO Nat'l Guard & the resources used up to date have been sufficient ! Why should anyone request TES services?

And the investigation continues . . . I see nothing that tells me these parents are not assisting LE. Pumpkin Pie is missing & they don't know what happened to her - that is what the parents are saying/telling LE !

Comparing this to the current case developing in Detroit: GRANTED the situations are NOT similar -- just the opposite reactions from parents of the missing child but the same negativity & accusatory vibe from posters. We're jaded

:waitasec:

It's called experience. After awhile you get a real good feel for these cases. Of course, it stands to reason, that at some time you could get it wrong..but most of the time it turns out exactly as you called it. That guy in Detroit with the two yr old and the highjacking, failed the poly on the same questions that DB did. Everyone thinks he's guilty. He did not get a pass, yet many are seeing DB as not harming her daughter....same questions failed on poly.

Neither story believable but the white female gets a pass...

 

[annalia]

That just reminded me of something that I just posted about - TES and TM were controversial during the Holloway case, and JT was very involved in that case.

That could explain 100% why he would not call in TES specifically. I don't remember the specifics of why Tim Miller was so controversial (I could not have cared less), but it would not surprise me if JT has no love lost for TM.

I'd say TM wasn't the controversial one in the NH case, more like JT. Unless doing things like digging through landfills in sweltering heat is controversial, while JT puts his mug in front of cameras proclaiming JVDS' innocence.

If JT has no love lost for him it's probably because JT is still too humiliated for making a fool out of himself over JVDS.

But yeh, let's bring TM down a few notches now.

JMHO

 

[Whisperer]

Your opinion, right?

Not mine . . .

More than opinion. A search group just can't start at one corner of the earth and proceed from there. They need information, good information from the parents. If the parents are liars, it makes no sense to get involved. It is a waste of his time and money. He has other families that would tell the truth and that he could really help.

 

[Whisperer]

I'd say TM wasn't the controversial one in the NH case, more like JT. Unless doing things like digging through landfills in sweltering heat is controversial, while JT put his mug in front of cameras proclaiming JVDS' innocence.

If JT has no love lost for him it's probably JT is still too humiliated for making a fool out of himself over JVDS.

But yeh, let's bring TM down a few notches now.

I hope I don't have to add TM to the list now. The list is getting long, FGS!

 

[Nixie]

I'd say TM wasn't the controversial one in the NH case, more like JT. Unless doing things like digging through landfills in sweltering heat is controversial, while JT puts his mug in front of cameras proclaiming JVDS' innocence.

If JT has no love lost for him it's probably because JT is still too humiliated for making a fool out of himself over JVDS.

But yeh, let's bring TM down a few notches now.

JMHO

I think she was just giving a reason to why he might not have been called because he keeps coming up.

 

[Whisperer]

And as I posted, even if not, there's no doubt that JP/JT know very well who he is. They're representing the family right, helping them to get answers?

Haven't both attorneys said that the only thing they're all concentrating and focusing on is finding Lisa? Maybe we're to believe that it never crossed any of their minds to bring in a search team like TES, and no one in family ever thought to ask how they could do it.

And I will have to doublecheck exactly what DB said to be sure, but I'm pretty sure she said she followed them more closely than just reading headlines. She said something like she knows how they work because she's followed these cases in the past.

JMHO

Don't forget the family has a private investigator who has not talked to a single witness..good going there Bill!

Speaking of Bill S. Where is he? Did he drop out of the race?

 

[Oriah]

Wow. Easy, peeps...

What does TES or Mr. Miller have to do with any part of this thread?
TES is a professional search and rescue organization. They are not LE- and do not have anything to do with whether or not Lisa's parents are or are not answering vital questions for LE.

It seems to me that whether or not TES has been approached to help in the search for Lisa, it's neither here nor there in this thread... (Oriah scratches head?)