Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[hambirg]

Wow. Never seen this picture before. Is that a stain at the foot of the bed? And was this video shot before or after the search warrant from circa Oct. 17? Wonder if this picture shows the area in which the cadaver dog hit because that seems like a green circle to me at the foot of the bed. Odd.

Thank you for the photo.

Yeah, at first I thought it was a shadow, but it kind of doesn't look like it by looking at the other shadows. . .where would the light be coming from? :waitasec:

I am however more curious about the bottle under the nightstand. . .it looks like a white bottle with a red cap. The only thing that comes to mind like that is lighter fluid.

 

[Blessed2Bme]

Yeah, at first I thought it was a shadow, but it kind of doesn't look like it by looking at the other shadows. . .where would the light be coming from? :waitasec:

I am however more curious about the bottle under the nightstand. . .it looks like a white bottle with a red cap. The only thing that comes to mind like that is lighter fluid.

It looks like everything standing against the wall has a shadow: end table, baby monitor and a quite large looking book lamp. The light might be coming from behind the cameraman giving more light to the reporter in a very "dim" room. No natural sunlight shining in.
Is that lighter fluid under the table?? Good eye!! MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Must be vampires living in that house. Black garbage bags covering a nursery. These people don't like daylight...my opinion.

My mother used to tell me that people who keep their drapes drawn all the time are hiding something.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

It looks like everything standing against the wall has a shadow: end table, baby monitor and a quite large looking book lamp. The light might be coming from behind the cameraman giving more light to the reporter in a very "dim" room. No natural sunlight shining in.
Is that lighter fluid under the table?? Good eye!! MOO

It looks like body lotion bottle to me, my wife has a basket full by the bed of different scents.

 

[Blessed2Bme]

It looks like body lotion bottle to me, my wife has a basket full by the bed of different scents.

Possibility....

 

[matou]

What about the wires on the floor next to the table? There's a white thing there? Is that a monitor station?

 

[MissJames]

The angle of the antennae behind the lamp is same angle of the monitor ,so I think that's a shadow,but there is something white just behind the lamp .
It looks like a heating pad under the nightstand to me,and that could be part if the cords under the table.Really hard to tell.

 

[cityslick]

Since you responded on the actual original post it makes it more difficult to address,but I'll try.

It IS unusual to hear nothing on the baby monitor if the baby is being kidnapped from her crib. You can hear every little breath or rustling on baby monitors unless they are turned
down.
Baby Lisa had a cold according to her mother,so you would expect to hear something even if she had not been kidnapped. So to not hear anything ,either way,IS unusual.
The dog should have barked if a stranger was in the house at night and left with baby Lisa. To not hear an outside dog barking when there's a trespasser,IS UNUSUAL.
I don't know if you have kids or dogs or have ever used a baby monitor,but those of us who do know just how unusual all these statements are,especially when claiming a kidnapping.
They are big ,honkin' red flags. JMO

I've had kids and baby monitors and I can tell you that every situation is different. I can tell you that sometimes we would hear stuff on the monitor and sometimes we would not, cold or not. Everyone likes dealing in absolutes when there is no such thing in this case. You want to see a red flag, that's your opinion.

 

[cityslick]

What about the wires on the floor next to the table? There's a white thing there? Is that a monitor station?

That big shadow at the foot of the bed is just that, a shadow not a stain. The wires could be from the baby monitor station and also a heating pad, probably the lamp too. White bottle could be anything.

 

[cityslick]

We know so little about JI or DB,why wouldn't it be possible?
Other parents who have murdered have done it.
JI is the one the that said they were moving on and things were getting better. Two months after my child died we were anything but normal and getting better,and we knew what happened to him. To have a child missing would be worse in many ways.
Yes,I think it's possible JI went to work after Lisa was killed.That could also account for why he was gone longer than the job called for.
Doesn't mean that's what happened,but certainly possible.JMO

I am blown away at how theories are being formed to implicate JI when the guy has an alibi for that night. Air tight alibi (at work that night) so BL must have been dead beforehand? So now, we are saying there are no less than 4 (DB/JI/SB/PN) covering up the death of a baby in that house, with SB allowing her daughter to watch movies in the house with the boys while there is a dead BL in the house? Lets not even get into what kind of stench there would be for having a dead body in the house for 4+ hours and everyone (4 adults, 3 children) go about their business like nothing is happening?

So people are willing to buy that theory but not an intruder?

 

[prayers4missing]

I am blown away at how theories are being formed to implicate JI when the guy has an alibi for that night. Air tight alibi (at work that night) so BL must have been dead beforehand? So now, we are saying there are no less than 4 (DB/JI/SB/PN) covering up the death of a baby in that house, with SB allowing her daughter to watch movies in the house with the boys while there is a dead BL in the house? Lets not even get into what kind of stench there would be for having a dead body in the house for 4+ hours and everyone (4 adults, 3 children) go about their business like nothing is happening?

So people are willing to buy that theory but not an intruder?

BBM

The smell doesn't kick in for a while, from my experience. I work in a hospital and have had family members sit with the deceased for well over 8 hours before we transported them to the morgue. No smell whatsoever that I have noticed in my 13+ years of experience, and I've seen deceased stay on the unit for close to 20 hours once. MOO

 

[MissJames]

I've had kids and baby monitors and I can tell you that every situation is different. I can tell you that sometimes we would hear stuff on the monitor and sometimes we would not, cold or not. Everyone likes dealing in absolutes when there is no such thing in this case. You want to see a red flag, that's your opinion.

Which is why I always add JMO after my posts : )

 

[cityslick]

BBM

The smell doesn't kick in for a while, from my experience. I work in a hospital and have had family members sit with the deceased for well over 8 hours before we transported them to the morgue. No smell whatsoever that I have noticed in my 13+ years of experience, and I've seen deceased stay on the unit for close to 20 hours once. MOO

I understand, the point still stands though is there would be a considerable number of people in on this and willing to cover it up. How many scenarios has you seen (even on this forum) where something like this went on, involving that many people?

 

[Elley Mae]

Since you responded on the actual original post it makes it more difficult to address,but I'll try.

It IS unusual to hear nothing on the baby monitor if the baby is being kidnapped from her crib. You can hear every little breath or rustling on baby monitors unless they are turned
down.
Baby Lisa had a cold according to her mother,so you would expect to hear something even if she had not been kidnapped. So to not hear anything ,either way,IS unusual.
The dog should have barked if a stranger was in the house at night and left with baby Lisa. To not hear an outside dog barking when there's a trespasser,IS UNUSUAL.
I don't know if you have kids or dogs or have ever used a baby monitor,but those of us who do know just how unusual all these statements are,especially when claiming a kidnapping.
They are big ,honkin' red flags. JMO

I never used one (monitor) but I know ppl that have. lol My uncle used one for his wife (she was bed ridden) when I would stop by and visit he would be in the garden and I could hear everything in the bedroom, TV,cough,even the sheets ruffling.

o/t baby monitors are so easy to pick up on scanners. You can hear everything that goes on in a home. :blushing:everything

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Wow. Never seen this picture before. Is that a stain at the foot of the bed? And was this video shot before or after the search warrant from circa Oct. 17? Wonder if this picture shows the area in which the cadaver dog hit because that seems like a green circle to me at the foot of the bed. Odd.

Thank you for the photo.

The way the other shadows are thrown, baby monitor shadow on the wall, lamp shadow on the wall, bed shadow on the carpet and then the shadow at the end of the bed, appears to me to be a shadow of a laundry basket that is in the foreground of the picture. JMO.

 

[MissJames]

I understand, the point still stands though is there would be a considerable number of people in on this and willing to cover it up. How many scenarios has you seen (even on this forum) where something like this went on, involving that many people?

The neighbor backed off of her statement about checking on Lisa,didn't she?

She was drinking that night ,also ,and just split with her husband. How bad would it look if she had not claimed to check on her own daughter that night ,even if she didn't? She could be lying about checking on the kids for her own reasons.
My sister had a friend who was a divorced single mom and a waitress at a bar at night.She was turned in to DSS several times because she left her 10 year old to babysit the two youngest until 2 in the morning. She never believed she was doing anything wrong .
She ended up going back to school and becoming a social worker who almost always took the parents side,especially for neglect.She would excuse away pretty scary situations. I was a foster parent at the time and was horrified at what she thought was okay.
I actually stopped taking babies from protective services during that time ,in part, because it was so frustrating when I had to deal with her.
The neighbor may relate to DB and is sticking up for her. It was a school night but it sounds like the kids had very little supervision inside the house that night. Total speculation on my part ,based on the changing stories.
DB may also know something about the neighbor that could cause her trouble so she's covering some,for DB by claiming to check on the baby.
I just don't find a mom who has a 4 yr old in her care,yet drinks throughout the night,very credible. JMO

 

[krimekat]

The most recent pics in this thread represent shadows & a messy master bedroom AFTER LE searched it . . .

About the garbage bags covering the windows in the nursery -- where/when did you see this? No nursery pictures in this threads.

Would think LE placed dark coverings on windows to test with luminol for blood.

 

[Elley Mae]

The way the other shadows are thrown, baby monitor shadow on the wall, lamp shadow on the wall, bed shadow on the carpet and then the shadow at the end of the bed, appears to me to be a shadow of a laundry basket that is in the foreground of the picture. JMO.

If my eyes don't fool me the shadows are cast in different directions because of the "lights" the filming crew has brought on board for the "bedroom shot".

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

The neighbor backed off of her statement about checking on Lisa,didn't she?

She was drinking that night ,also ,and just split with her husband. How bad would it look if she had not claimed to check on her own daughter that night ,even if she didn't? She could be lying about checking on the kids for her own reasons.
My sister had a friend who was a divorced single mom and a waitress at a bar at night.She was turned in to DSS several times because she left her 10 year old to babysit the two youngest until 2 in the morning. She never believed she was doing anything wrong .
She ended up going back to school and becoming a social worker who almost always took the parents side,especially for neglect.She would excuse away pretty scary situations. I was a foster parent at the time and was horrified at what she thought was okay.
I actually stopped taking babies from protective services during that time ,in part, because it was so frustrating when I had to deal with her.
The neighbor may relate to DB and is sticking up for her. It was a school night but it sounds like the kids had very little supervision inside the house that night. Total speculation on my part ,based on the changing stories.
DB may also know something about the neighbor that could cause her trouble so she's covering some,for DB by claiming to check on the baby.
I just don't find a mom who has a 4 yr old in her care,yet drinks throughout the night,very credible. JMO

IIRC SB said she looked in on BL and BL was "apparantly" (SB's words) fine. By using the word "apparantly", SB has left herself some wiggle room so to speak. In Hailey Dunn's case, the mother checked on her and apparantly she was fine. CA listened through a closed door and Caylee was apprantly fine, she could hear them breathing. Some folks think this case is so different and confusing, it is not.

 

[cityslick]

The neighbor backed off of her statement about checking on Lisa,didn't she?

She was drinking that night ,also ,and just split with her husband. How bad would it look if she had not claimed to check on her own daughter that night ,even if she didn't? She could be lying about checking on the kids for her own reasons.
My sister had a friend who was a divorced single mom and a waitress at a bar at night.She was turned in to DSS several times because she left her 10 year old to babysit the two youngest until 2 in the morning. She never believed she was doing anything wrong .
She ended up going back to school and becoming a social worker who almost always took the parents side,especially for neglect.She would excuse away pretty scary situations. I was a foster parent at the time and was horrified at what she thought was okay.
I actually stopped taking babies from protective services during that time ,in part, because it was so frustrating when I had to deal with her.
The neighbor may relate to DB and is sticking up for her. It was a school night but it sounds like the kids had very little supervision inside the house that night. Total speculation on my part ,based on the changing stories.
DB may also know something about the neighbor that could cause her trouble so she's covering some,for DB by claiming to check on the baby.
I just don't find a mom who has a 4 yr old in her care,yet drinks throughout the night,very credible. JMO

Understand the theory being presented here.

That the baby was dead in that house before JI went to work, who then proceeded to go to work and act perfectly normal, then come home and within 15 minutes call the cops.

That SB knew that the baby was dead and lies about checking on BL, saying she was apparently fine.

That PN be also be in that house at some point and never notice a dead baby in the house (or is lying and covering up).

That the boys in the house never once noticed or observed BL moving or making a sound.

That SB allowed her daughter to stay in DB's house, knowing a baby is dead inside.

That there was apparently no rush by DB on the front steps to do anything about the situation when all it took would be one of the boys/SB's daughter to casually walk into BL's room and see her not moving/breathing.

That JI had the forethought to know exactly when to come home (right after the last vm attempt), even though he had apparently no communication with DB that evening.


My point with all of the above is how is that theory above any more plausible than an intruder?