Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[cityslick]

IIRC SB said she looked in on BL and BL was "apparantly" (SB's words) fine. By using the word "apparantly", SB has left herself some wiggle room so to speak. In Hailey Dunn's case, the mother checked on her and apparantly she was fine. CA listened through a closed door and Caylee was apprantly fine, she could hear them breathing. Some folks think this case is so different and confusing, it is not.

Those cases are exceptions. Also, in this case, it wouldn't just be one person that has to think she was fine, it has to be SB/PN/boys/SB's daughter.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Understand the theory being presented here.

That the baby was dead in that house before JI went to work, who then proceeded to go to work and act perfectly normal, then come home and within 15 minutes call the cops.

That SB knew that the baby was dead and lies about checking on BL, saying she was apparently fine.

That PN be also be in that house at some point and never notice a dead baby in the house (or is lying and covering up).

That the boys in the house never once noticed or observed BL moving or making a sound.

That SB allowed her daughter to stay in DB's house, knowing a baby is dead inside.

That there was apparently no rush by DB on the front steps to do anything about the situation when all it took would be one of the boys/SB's daughter to casually walk into BL's room and see her not moving/breathing.

That JI had the forethought to know exactly when to come home (right after the last vm attempt), even though he had apparently no communication with DB that evening.


My point with all of the above is how is that theory above any more plausible than an intruder?

I think you are trying to consolidate several poster's theories into one theory.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Those cases are exceptions. Also, in this case, it wouldn't just be one person that has to think she was fine, it has to be SB/PN/boys/SB's daughter.

SB's 4 year old daughter is not a credible witness due to her age.
The boys may not have noticed their sister, she was in her crib the majority of the evening and night with the door shut. SB may have simply just looked in saw BL "sleeping" and shut the door. I haven't seen/read anything where PN saw the baby at all.
Those cases are not exceptional IMHO.

 

[cityslick]

I think you are trying to consolidate several poster's theories into one theory.

The theory is JI knew his daughter was dead before going to work.

All what I listed needs to be true for that theory to hold water.

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

Understand the theory being presented here.

That the baby was dead in that house before JI went to work, who then proceeded to go to work and act perfectly normal, then come home and within 15 minutes call the cops.
JI may not have known.

That SB knew that the baby was dead and lies about checking on BL, saying she was apparently fine.
SB may have looked in, BL appeared to be sleeping to her and she just shut the door.

That PN be also be in that house at some point and never notice a dead baby in the house (or is lying and covering up).
Again, PN may not have known. Very few males feel the need to look in on a sleeping baby behind a shut door.

That the boys in the house never once noticed or observed BL moving or making a sound.
Boys this age would not concern themselves with how long their sister was sleeping, just that she was sleeping.

That SB allowed her daughter to stay in DB's house, knowing a baby is dead inside.

That there was apparently no rush by DB on the front steps to do anything about the situation when all it took would be one of the boys/SB's daughter to casually walk into BL's room and see her not moving/breathing.
JMO to this scenario but DB could have been counting on someone else to discover BL, but no one did.

That JI had the forethought to know exactly when to come home (right after the last vm attempt), even though he had apparently no communication with DB that evening.


My point with all of the above is how is that theory above any more plausible than an intruder?

Red by me.

 

[cityslick]

SB's 4 year old daughter is not a credible witness due to her age.
The boys may not have noticed their sister, she was in her crib the majority of the evening and night with the door shut. SB may have simply just looked in saw BL "sleeping" and shut the door. I haven't seen/read anything where PN saw the baby at all.
Those cases are not exceptional IMHO.

There is nothing that says PN didn't either. Nobody knows what PN saw or did in that house when he was there and that's one of the points, the mind had to believe that PN never once bothered to see or even ask about his niece that time. The kids are credible in the fact that DB left them in the house along, with an apparent dead BL (that she knew about) for 4 hours and trusted/felt confident that not one of those three kids would catch wind that BL was dead in her crib.

They are exceptional because of the circumstances surrounding them. Here, you would have to have an incredible amount of circumstances to fit just right to make the 'she was dead before JI went to work' make sense. But yet the mind can easily dismiss an intruder?

 

[cityslick]

Red by me.

JI not knowing isn't what prompted this theory that she was not alive before she went to work though. I posted that because the thought (as how I read it) was JI did know (thus, is guilty).

 

[Truthwillsetufree]

JI not knowing isn't what prompted this theory that she was not alive before she went to work though. I posted that because the thought (as how I read it) was JI did know (thus, is guilty).

Thank you for the clarification.

 

[In da Middle]

SB may have looked in, BL appeared to be sleeping to her and she just shut the door.

Red by me.

For this to happen why did the dog not hit on the crib then? We CAN say it didn't as the crib was not taken into evidence.

 

[cityslick]

For this to happen why did the dog not hit on the crib then? We CAN say it didn't as the crib was not taken into evidence.

Yea, I wasn't even going into the factual stuff that makes this scenario basically impossible. I've said before and I'll say it again, I would be shocked if JI was in some way responsible for his daughter's disappearance, based on what we know.

 

[DeAnn]

Yea, I wasn't even going into the factual stuff that makes this scenario basically impossible. I've said before and I'll say it again, I would be shocked if JI was in some way responsible for his daughter's disappearance, based on what we know.

Don't know if any of you are following the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student from Overland Park, Kan., which is just across state line from baby Lisa's home. Not sure if Aisha Khan has her own thread here or not.

Police just held a news conference and Aisha's father spoke afterward. He sobbed. He bawled. And everyone who has seen the video has gotten choked up and incredibly emotional while watching the raw emotions from this man scared out of his mind and desperate for his daughter. Desperate. "I can't take it," he sobbed.

The family is actively looking. They have fliers out. And no defense attorneys. She is married and police say now that her husband is cooperating.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16346771/police-looking-for-missing-teen

I'll let you do the comparison.....

 

[In da Middle]

Don't know if any of you are following the disappearance of a 19-year-old college student from Overland Park, Kan., which is just across state line from baby Lisa's home. Not sure if Aisha Khan has her own thread here or not.

Police just held a news conference and Aisha's father spoke afterward. He sobbed. He bawled. And everyone who has seen the video has gotten choked up and incredibly emotional while watching the raw emotions from this man scared out of his mind and desperate for his daughter. Desperate. "I can't take it," he sobbed.

The family is actively looking. They have fliers out. And no defense attorneys. She is married and police say now that her husband is cooperating.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16346771/police-looking-for-missing-teen

I'll let you do the comparison.....

But one big comparison is that the father is NOT being questioned as a suspect. BIG difference. Lisa's family was doing everything right in the first few days, then got attorneys. The attorneys IMO put the brakes on everything as in media appearances and questioning. Aisha's parents are not being accused of doing anything to their daughter.
And for those convinced that DB didn't cry enough in her plea, Aisha's dad had NO tears flowing. NO, I am not saying that this means that Aisha's dad had anything to do with her being gone, just that DB showed more physical tears than him.

Link to Aisha's thread [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157687"]KS KS - Aisha Khan, 19, Overland Park, 16 December 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]
I think it is totally possible at this point that Aisha took off on her own.

 

[lonetraveler]

Must be vampires living in that house. Black garbage bags covering a nursery. These people don't like daylight...my opinion.

My mother used to tell me that people who keep their drapes drawn all the time are hiding something.

I've been wondering about the black plastic covering the window in Lisa's room. Does anyone know if this plastic was covering the window prior to Lisa missing? Or was it put up over the window by investigators in order to conduct CSI investigation?

If the plastic was covering the window prior to Lisa missing, could she have pulled the plastic off the window and was accidentally smothered? :waitasec:

 

[DeAnn]

But one big comparison is that the father is NOT being questioned as a suspect. BIG difference. Lisa's family was doing everything right in the first few days, then got attorneys. The attorneys IMO put the brakes on everything as in media appearances and questioning. Aisha's parents are not being accused of doing anything to their daughter.

Link to Aisha's thread KS KS - Aisha Khan, 19, Overland Park, 16 December 2011 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community
I think it is totally possible at this point that Aisha took off on her own.

Baby Lisa's parents wouldn't speak to the media from Tuesday, Oct. 4, until mid afternoon Oct. 5. I never heard correctly whether that was their decision or the decision of police. I heard both. But they did not immediately the day of speak to the media, which is typical in Amber Alerts. That was before attorneys were involved. I've never heard of an Amber Alert case before where the family didn't speak the first day.

I don't think JI was ever questioned in those first days as a suspect, just DB.

Aisha texted her family that a drunk man was bothering her and she had slapped him..... and then went missing.....

Aisha's husband is suppose to be cooperating with detectives but KCPD also said that about DB and JI in the first few days.

 

[Sparklin]

IIRC SB said she looked in on BL and BL was "apparantly" (SB's words) fine. By using the word "apparantly", SB has left herself some wiggle room so to speak. In Hailey Dunn's case, the mother checked on her and apparantly she was fine. CA listened through a closed door and Caylee was apprantly fine, she could hear them breathing. Some folks think this case is so different and confusing, it is not.

I think this was from the People interview no? I have been trying to find it, but I thought that the writer didn't actually quote SB, but said that she saw Lisa and apparently, she was fine as opposed to she was apparently fine. Not 100% but I remember discussing this previously.

 

[DeAnn]

I think this was from the People interview no? I have been trying to find it, but I thought that the writer didn't actually quote SB, but said that she saw Lisa and apparently, she was fine as opposed to she was apparently fine. Not 100% but I remember discussing this previously.

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NO media outlet has spoken directly to Phil Netz or SB to my knowledge.

A source was quoted about SB to People. We can only speculate on who that source was.

 

[askfornina]

I think this was from the People interview no? I have been trying to find it, but I thought that the writer didn't actually quote SB, but said that she saw Lisa and apparently, she was fine as opposed to she was apparently fine. Not 100% but I remember discussing this previously.

I don't think I have ever seen the People article myself, unfortunately, so I don't know what was said there exactly, but the words "apparently fine" are used in this article, which comes from a "source", not SB directly.

4:30 p.m.
-Neighbor checks in on Baby Lisa’s crib and finds her apparently fine.
-Deborah Bradley and her brother go to a supermarket to purchase baby food and a box of wine. Jeremy Irwin stayed home with children.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...-day-and-night-of-disappearance#ixzz1h1YLiFZs

 

[In da Middle]

Baby Lisa's parents wouldn't speak to the media from Tuesday, Oct. 4, until mid afternoon Oct. 5. I never heard correctly whether that was their decision or the decision of police. I heard both. But they did not immediately the day of speak to the media, which is typical in Amber Alerts. That was before attorneys were involved. I've never heard of an Amber Alert case before where the family didn't speak the first day.

I don't think JI was ever questioned in those first days as a suspect, just DB.

Aisha texted her family that a drunk man was bothering her and she had slapped him..... and then went missing.....

Aisha's husband is suppose to be cooperating with detectives but KCPD also said that about DB and JI in the first few days.

To be fair, it really wasn't very possible for them to speak to the media on the 4th nor the first half of the 5th as they were with LE at the station during this time period doing what they should have been doing.

O/T why would somebody give Aisha time to text a lengthy message to somebody after she just supposedly slapped him hard before taking her?

 

[In da Middle]

I've been wondering about the black plastic covering the window in Lisa's room. Does anyone know if this plastic was covering the window prior to Lisa missing? Or was it put up over the window by investigators in order to conduct CSI investigation?

If the plastic was covering the window prior to Lisa missing, could she have pulled the plastic off the window and was accidentally smothered? :waitasec:

If the plastic was covering the windows before, they surely would have taken it down if they were being thorough in processing her room for prints and DNA. If they took it down, they would not have put it back up. IMO there is no way LE did not process that window with that plastic remaining untouched and there is no way they did not process that window at all.

 

[Tuffy]

If the plastic was covering the windows before, they surely would have taken it down if they were being thorough in processing her room for prints and DNA. If they took it down, they would not have put it back up. IMO there is no way LE did not process that window with that plastic remaining untouched and there is no way they did not process that window at all.

I agree. Hmmm...it was placed there after the search? :waitasec: Weird.