Police say parents are not answering vital questions #3

[DeAnn]

I think that DeAnn is refering to Debbies brothers house.



http://www.kctv5.com/story/16043329/baby-lisas-parents-expected-to-move-back-into-home

Yes. The day that DB, JI and their boys moved out of Walrond and back into Lister...there was a crew inside the Walrond home before they left. And a camera crew got inside the Lister home and set up BEFORE the caravan returned to Lister. This was Nov. 15. Long after Short was off the case.

I had always assumed that ABC was the crew but since that footage has never aired ....I wonder now. All I know for sure it was it was filmed. By whom I don't know. I had forgotten it until re-reading that article so now I'm curious. If it were ABC or NBC I can't imagine why they wouldn't air it immediately UNLESS it was for Dateline or 20/20 piece down the road.

 

[MissJames]

So you believe JI is cold hearted enough that for eight-plus hours he could act like nothing is amiss while at the Starbucks? You think his heart is cold stoned enough that he could fake it knowing his daughter is dead?

To think JI knew his daughter was dead before he went to work the answers have to be "yes."

The holidays can be an emotional time. I can't imagine what JI is going through now.

We know so little about JI or DB,why wouldn't it be possible?
Other parents who have murdered have done it.
JI is the one the that said they were moving on and things were getting better. Two months after my child died we were anything but normal and getting better,and we knew what happened to him. To have a child missing would be worse in many ways.
Yes,I think it's possible JI went to work after Lisa was killed.That could also account for why he was gone longer than the job called for.
Doesn't mean that's what happened,but certainly possible.JMO

 

[MissJames]

<modsnip>.....not sure where you get 17 hours or two months from.

The home was a crime scene from 4 a.m. Tuesday Oct. 4 until 7-8 p.m. Oct. 6. That's more than 17 hours. The cops WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO LIVE IN THEIR HOME. THEY HAD TO SLEEP SOMEWHERE until the night of Oct. 6, which would of course be the boys' bedtime.

Cops took down the crime tape the night of Oct. 6. Some have argued prematurely.

The police then made the home a crime scene again on Oct. 9/Oct. 10. It remained a crime scene pretty much until after the final search in mid-October. The only 17 hours I know of was the 17 hour search which ended Oct. 20.

So from Oct. 4-Oct. 21 there were only a couple of days (night of Oct. 6-Oct. 9) when it wasn't a crime scene. They could have moved back after Oct. 21.

The family returned to the home on Lister on Nov. 15, which is definitely NOT two months later. You've said the two months later before and it's not correct. Six weeks is correct.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16043329/baby-lisas-parents-expected-to-move-back-into-home

<modsnip>. I am stating facts and I think stating facts accurately is important <modsnip>.

bbm
Given the events from the night Lisa was reported missing(a school night) ,I don't think the boys had a bedtime. I also think 6 weeks makes the same point as saying two months. They waited a looong time to return home.Much longer than was necessary since the house was freed up by LE in early October.
There are some facts in this case but much is being with held by both LE and the family.As observers we know very little.JMO

 

[MissJames]

Responses in bold. Doesn't add up to guilt either. It adds up to we don't know what happened.

points to the parents guilt ,IMO ,but if there was enough evidence there would be an arrest by now.

A lot has been mentioned about needing to return to a normal life for the boys,but if the parents wanted that ,they would be doing more for Lisa,their sister.They would be out there showing their concern and love for her and trying to bring their baby sister back,not acting like nothing has happened.
How confusing for those kids :furious:

 

[norest4thewicked]

I don't think anything is impossible in this case. We've seen it so so many times before...

The only thing different to me in this case is that the parents are refusing to work with LE and are acting completely different than I have ever seen any other parent of a missing child act. Does mean they are guilty? In my opinion, it does. I hope I am wrong...

 

[4Jacy]

Responses in bold. Doesn't add up to guilt either. It adds up to we don't know what happened.

Respectfully submitted....it adds up to something very nefarious!

 

[MissJames]

Responses in bold. Doesn't add up to guilt either. It adds up to we don't know what happened.

Since you responded on the actual original post it makes it more difficult to address,but I'll try.

It IS unusual to hear nothing on the baby monitor if the baby is being kidnapped from her crib. You can hear every little breath or rustling on baby monitors unless they are turned
down.
Baby Lisa had a cold according to her mother,so you would expect to hear something even if she had not been kidnapped. So to not hear anything ,either way,IS unusual.
The dog should have barked if a stranger was in the house at night and left with baby Lisa. To not hear an outside dog barking when there's a trespasser,IS UNUSUAL.
I don't know if you have kids or dogs or have ever used a baby monitor,but those of us who do know just how unusual all these statements are,especially when claiming a kidnapping.
They are big ,honkin' red flags. JMO

 

[DeAnn]

We know so little about JI or DB,why wouldn't it be possible?
Other parents who have murdered have done it.
JI is the one the that said they were moving on and things were getting better. Two months after my child died we were anything but normal and getting better,and we knew what happened to him. To have a child missing would be worse in many ways.
Yes,I think it's possible JI went to work after Lisa was killed.That could also account for why he was gone longer than the job called for.
Doesn't mean that's what happened,but certainly possible.JMO

We don't know exactly what Jeremy Irwin said. We know what his attorney claims he said. And since it's an attorney paraphasing what he said.....which was along the lines of they were trying to return to a normal routine as much as they can with their daughter missing. I was surprised by what Picerno said but figured the custody battle motivated part of what he said.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping

The bottom line is....KCPD based on what they know, based on the 911 phone call and the dash cam video (none of which we've seen) didn't think JI was directly involved in his daughter's disappearance. Whether he has been involved in a cover up since then is a matter of speculation at this point.

I had a friend murdered and a cousin killed in a car crash and it will never be "normal" but time does help. An arrest and conviction in my friend's murder helped. The not knowing and the imaging tore me up until there was an arrest.

 

[DeAnn]

Since you responded on the actual original post it makes it more difficult to address,but I'll try.

It IS unusual to hear nothing on the baby monitor if the baby is being kidnapped from her crib. You can hear every little breath or rustling on baby monitors unless they are turned
down.
Baby Lisa had a cold according to her mother,so you would expect to hear something even if she had not been kidnapped. So to not hear anything ,either way,IS unusual.
The dog should have barked if a stranger was in the house at night and left with baby Lisa. To not hear an outside dog barking when there's a trespasser,IS UNUSUAL.
I don't know if you have kids or dogs or have ever used a baby monitor,but those of us who do know just how unusual all these statements are,especially when claiming a kidnapping.
They are big ,honkin' red flags. JMO

Could someone provide a link to DB talking about the baby monitor? Because I sure don't remember it. Thanks!

And my dog wouldn't bark if someone were in the house.

 

[MissJames]

We don't know exactly what Jeremy Irwin said. We know what his attorney claims he said. And since it's an attorney paraphasing what he said.....which was along the lines of they were trying to return to a normal routine as much as they can with their daughter missing. I was surprised by what Picerno said but figured the custody battle motivated part of what he said.

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping

The bottom line is....KCPD based on what they know, based on the 911 phone call and the dash cam video (none of which we've seen) didn't think JI was directly involved in his daughter's disappearance. Whether he has been involved in a cover up since then is a matter of speculation at this point.

I had a friend murdered and a cousin killed in a car crash and it will never be "normal" but time does help. An arrest and conviction in my friend's murder helped. The not knowing and the imaging tore me up until there was an arrest.

I mean no disrespect ,honestly,DeAnn,but having lost two cousins,my parents and my father-in-law,recently,it's very different when it's your child. It really is.
There is a different bond.
This is a person you take of care of every day,that your entire routine is based around. It's not just a loved one,it's your very life 24/7. Loss of a child is ranked as the worst grief,then you add what is called "complicated grief" like a murder or suicide ,and it just grows expotentially.
To have a baby missing ,not knowing what is happening to her or if she's dead,is not something you start to get back to normal from ,ever,IMO.

I'm so sorry you've also endured such traumatic losses,especially so horrific as a murder. Time really does help.It will be seven years since James died on New Years Eve.It was just a few days after his 15th birthday ,so the holidays hold much anxiety for me,still. Two months after your child dies or worse,disappears ,is nothing. I've been involved with loss and grief groups ,and two months might as well be two days.
All JMO

 

[askfornina]

Could someone provide a link to DB talking about the baby monitor? Because I sure don't remember it. Thanks!

And my dog wouldn't bark if someone were in the house.

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...al-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-

here you go DeAnn
video@link, from the interview with Judge Jeanine

Lisa Irwin's mother, Deborah Bradley, said, "We had the baby monitor on. We always have one on."

there may be other times where it has been mentioned (i'm not positive) but this is the first i could find

 

[matou]

I saw what looked like a baby monitor in DBs bedroom (saw the antenna thingy). Shouldn't this part be in Lisa's bedroom if she was sleeping there? I'll look for a photo of the bedroom. OR Lisa was used to sleeping in DB's bedroom. JMO

 

[matou]

OK I have a photo of the bedroom and there is a monitor receiver on the sidetable with the light on. I did see something another photo with what looked like the main part on that table but haven't found it yet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-refuse-interviewed-separately-police.html

 

[norest4thewicked]

http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/ne...al-new-details-about-night-baby-went-missing-

here you go DeAnn
video@link, from the interview with Judge Jeanine



there may be other times where it has been mentioned (i'm not positive) but this is the first i could find

It has been mentioned several times at the beginning. In a case this strange though, it's hard to remember exactly where you hear things.

 

[matou]

What is the thing with the antenna behind the lamp? Could be a cordless phone station but why would they have that?? They only had cell phones right? Edit, I figured it out: could be the shadow of the monitor. What are the white wires attached to on the floor beside the table?

 

[Blessed2Bme]

What is the thing with the antenna behind the lamp? Could be a cordless phone station but why would they have that?? They only had cell phones right? Edit, I figured it out: could be the shadow of the monitor. What are the white wires attached to on the floor beside the table?

I think it looks like the baby monitor. MOO :waitasec:

 

[Little Ol Me]

What is the thing with the antenna behind the lamp? Could be a cordless phone station but why would they have that?? They only had cell phones right? Edit, I figured it out: could be the shadow of the monitor. What are the white wires attached to on the floor beside the table?

Could be for an electric blanket.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

OK I have a photo of the bedroom and there is a monitor receiver on the sidetable with the light on. I did see something another photo with what looked like the main part on that table but haven't found it yet.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nts-refuse-interviewed-separately-police.html

I magnified and cropped from your picture. Does this help?

 

[DeAnn]

What is the thing with the antenna behind the lamp? Could be a cordless phone station but why would they have that?? They only had cell phones right? Edit, I figured it out: could be the shadow of the monitor. What are the white wires attached to on the floor beside the table?

Wow. Never seen this picture before. Is that a stain at the foot of the bed? And was this video shot before or after the search warrant from circa Oct. 17? Wonder if this picture shows the area in which the cadaver dog hit because that seems like a green circle to me at the foot of the bed. Odd.

Thank you for the photo.

 

[krimekat]

shadow of the baby monitor