Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[Mrs G Norris]

Jodi wouldn't stand out in a crowd here or in the USA as being particularly dolled up, if anything I thought her 'look' was boring - indistinctive clothes, mainstream tastes etc .. yawn .. hardly the woman as drag queen type IMO, but then I don't believe in judging people on their looks, it's been proven time and again that doing so is fruitless.

 

[SMK]

Jodi wouldn't stand out in a crowd here or in the USA as being particularly dolled up, if anything I thought her 'look' was boring - indistinctive clothes, mainstream tastes etc .. yawn .. hardly the woman as drag queen type IMO, but then I don't believe in judging people on their looks, it's been proven time and again that doing so is fruitless.

Yeah, I was not impressed by her look either - but do wonder if she felt a disconnect from her femininity. Which is what the drag queen thing really implies: That one does not feel "at home" with makeup, hair, all 'done up'.....

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I still think she was sexually abused somehow in her earlier life.

But, where I went to school, girls were the top students so being smart was accepted. It was in college where I found out women were considered to be less by professors. One even actually said he did not know why women were in college because all they would do is get married.

Part of me always wondered if Travis was sexually abused in his youth. He liked to be sexually dominant. It seems Jodi made him feel more comfortable/in control/masculine with sex.

Likewise, as was pointed out earlier be either SMK or human, Jodi could have liked to dress up like a little innocent girl during sex and used sex to make herself feel more feminine and can be controlled by a masculine force (assuming she is a psychopath and has irregular cortisol/serotonin/estrogen levels.)

She seems to go crazy around the same time every month and normalize as well. Perhaps she has PMDD which probably is what makes her a nervous/paranoid wreck around the time of ovulation/menstruation.

It would be more difficult for her to maintain her mask and keep her impulses at bay if she were dealing with PMDD as a result of estrogen/cortisol/serotonin abnormalities derived from Psychopathic brain/hormonal influences. Imo

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

There seems to be correlation between social media and increased violence between women. Social media seemed to be a part in Travis's murder too. Personal information released via. Face book would aid a stalker. Insight into routines, financial records and pictures of romantic interest are out there for the world to see. Social media disconnects the intimate dialogue afforded by face to face communication. The anonymity cloaks with a false sence of security. Social media has been linked with the development of narcism in young people.

Great point! And is it interesting that Travis and Jodi meet in Vegas but carry on their relationship initially via email/long distance? I believe they were writing emails back and forth incessantly, and within two months Jodi was baptized into Mormonism.

I feel like she really manipulated him with her emails and made herself out to be someone she clearly is not. As Travis got to actually know Jodi in person, he began to see that everything she said to him in the beginning was all just to "get" him to be hers. Imo

 

[pinkie60]

wow! Thanks for the Camille Paglia reference! I'm
Going to check her work out after I finish this reply!

Thank you!

I also thought you might find this so interesting!!!

Jim Fallon: Exploring the mind of a killer - YouTube

(another from the TED Talks series available on Netflix)

I've also wondered SMK given our many open minded convos:

do you think Jodi's borderline persona we see in court is simply her mirroring her victim Travis who could of had actual borderline or PTSd symptoms? Essentially, that the BPD symptoms she fakes are actually the symptoms of the true victim, TA? You can probably objectively explain how this might relate for me. You're very good at that!

this is very interesting hip2bsquare!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I still think she was sexually abused somehow in her earlier life.

But, where I went to school, girls were the top students so being smart was accepted. It was in college where I found out women were considered to be less by professors. One even actually said he did not know why women were in college because all they would do is get married.

I don't think that is the thought process anymore. Women outnumber men attending Universities and are excelling. I know that this trend is a cause of concern for the Admins of academia because male students are either dropping out or not enrolling in college at all. And we do need to have men attending colleges and universities but I was told that one thought is that men are going for "quicker ways to make cash".......whatever that is???!!!

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

Actually, on second thought, I didn't think my honesty was particularly "brutal": I had assumed most intellectual girls did feel this separation between their "selves" and "femininity".......:waitasec:

Yes, I didn't mean "brutal" but I did appreciate your candid statement. I'm not sure if people are so self-reflective or eager to admit it.
Glad we can do so here!

:seeya:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yeah, I was not impressed by her look either - but do wonder if she felt a disconnect from her femininity. Which is what the drag queen thing really implies: That one does not feel "at home" with makeup, hair, all 'done up'.....

Sorry, I'm confused.

I thought the whole reason drag queens dressed up in drag was because they felt "at home" that way. They love being all dolled up.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm completely confused by the discussion here .. what is meant by disconnected from her femininity?

 

[pinkie60]

Jodi worked a waitress and was able to take care of herself, Bobby Juarez, and Matt McCartney at the same time. Ive often wondered if after she ran away from home she went to grow/sell pot with Bobby and Matt?

Her friend who was going to testify, Patricia I think is her name, would not answer where some extra income that Jodi had came from. I wonder if that alternate income could have been growing/dealing pot!? If so, this is highly antisocial behavior for a teen to pick up (especially with a family that does not approve and had her arrested for it!)

If she did have a supplemental income in her teenage years built off of drug distribution, This would show she was/is willing to use unethical means to gain financially.

this sounds about accurate. I often wondered if she was on something from time to time, especially around the time of killing travis.

 

[SMK]

Sorry, I'm confused.

I thought the whole reason drag queens dressed up in drag was because they felt "at home" that way. They love being all dolled up.

Yes, but they are very aware that they are "passing for female" : When Paglia spoke of certain intellectual females , saying, "By the time we are wearing dresses and makeup we feel like drag queens" what she was stressing was the sense of passing, playing at, being female. I understood her instantly.

 

[SMK]

I'm completely confused by the discussion here .. what is meant by disconnected from her femininity?

It's just an idea, a theory. (The great analyst Karen Horney write of something very similar in her psychology of the feminine). It is an old and familiar idea to me. I don't know how to say it any more simply. Disconnected as in alienated, removed, repressed.

From my own and others perspectives, it may have been part of her "syndrome" - and I don't mean it in a DSM way- I mean it in the classical armchair sense. I really do sense this very strongly in her and have from the beginning. If it doesn't interest you, not a problem. But I did enjoy discussing it with a couple of others.

 

[Linda7NJ]

It's just an idea, a theory. (The great analyst Karen Horney write of something very similar in her psychology of the feminine). It is an old and familiar idea to me. I don't know how to say it any more simply. Disconnected as in alienated, removed, repressed.

From my own and others perspectives, it may have been part of her "syndrome" - and I don't mean it in a DSM way- I mean it in the classical armchair sense. I really do sense this very strongly in her and have from the beginning. If it doesn't interest you, not a problem. But I did enjoy discussing it with a couple of others.

I'm just confused. Trying to understand. She looked like woman to me, before incarceration looking at her... She appeared normal to me....

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I'm actually aware of people with BPD who look plain, and those that like to 'doll up' same goes for sociopathy/psychopathy/ASPD etc .. It should be noted that Karen Horney died in 1952, although she was definitely a pioneer for her time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Horney#Feminine_psychology

 

[Whisperer]

DB is downright creepy, imo. He lied for her. He loved her sex and that is about it. He tried to appear there were other things about her to look better to the public. He most likely has important info on her, as does Matt M. I think one or both of them have her papers, pics and various assorted stuff.

I am sure DB was lying when he talked about the Mormons visiting her early in the game as I think her mind went Mormon after she met Travis, not before.

I also think she used to do drugs...and suspect her and DB as dealing or doing them together. There is no way in Hello that she would be able to afford her half of a mortgage of $3600 a month. I don't see anything in his occupation that would allow for that either. She had a fancy car, breast implants, a $333,000 home? Come on now! As a part time waitress? Even two jobs couldn't support that. What were they thinking? He was working as a server when he moved 400 miles south to Rancho Mirage (near Palm
Springs).

He may have come into some money but we will never know...but I would like to know how they qualified for that house. Of course back then, people lied about their work, etc to get a house here. At some point he ran out of money and JA was never going to help him. His judgement is impaired, that is for sure, because if he really knew her, that was not going to happen. I think he is exaggerating the time he was with her along with most everything else. She bartered sex with him to get the goodies. Dollars to donuts he co-signed that Infinity for her...which got repossessed, as I recall. He was a fool.

 

[Curious Me]

I can't believe Darryl didn't have any odd incident he remembered in the four years he was supposedly with CMja. His interview I saw after testifying was bland. MOO, he's lying and hiding some aspect, some secret stuff, about their relationship.

He didn't even mention that time he had a fight with her, and she herself said she had a nervous break-down. Her idea of a nervous break-down is going to her room and hyperventilating, so perhaps Darryl didn't notice yet he was blamed for provoking it, but he is leaving out the important stuff he knows about her, and the remote, and their actual relationship. That's my take on Darryl.

 

[SMK]

I have felt that way always. I've been told in the past that I have looked stunning dressed up for a formal occasion with hair, make-up, etc. My reaction has always been feeling like an idiot. I don't want, and never have wanted, the kind of attention you get from being "beautiful on the outside." I don't like it at all. jmo

I think this is more common than many women think. I always felt the same.
ETA: I think perhaps Jodi may have felt this way, but felt she was singular in the feeling: It is common for people - especially disordered people - to be unaware of the common quality of their feelings (I have read this also about those with Aspberger syndrome). (I mean re JA her perhaps feeling she had done all she could to be feminine and glamorous and yet plainer girls like Mimi and Lisa were still preferred and even considered more feminine.)

If she did use drugs, this to me would explain why it could escalate to murder ( I had many of her feelings in the past with men and rejection, but I never used drugs or drank and that is a saving thing.)

 

[SMK]

It was soooo bizarre when she said she should have worn make up in the LE interview.

Then the headstand.

People did get mortgages that were so bogus. I worked with people in POVERTY and I mean poverty. They were telling telling me how they were getting mortgages for $100,000 homes. I figured they must have inherited. Then we found out about the mortgage scam.

I think new cars were really easy to buy, also.

Yes, the mortgage scams were abundant, and truly CRIMINAL, unethical, evil. NO justifying them. Those behind them should be behind bars, anyone with ethics knows this. Same with cars.

Maybe Arias felt she was no one without her "painted face". Glamour-puss persona had been her thing with Travis.

 

[Harmony 2]

Please don't make this a general discussion thread. I am not seeing the relevancy of makeup and high heels to armchair psychology...This thread is to analyze Jodi's psyche, no one else but Jodi... Please get back on topic.

 

[SMK]

Just to clarify as to my own posting: I was absolutely tying the makeup and heels into Jodi's psyche and drawing on a very important concept in feminine psychology, which has been written about extensively by Horney. It seems to have been exhausted as a topic, though.