Poll: Should LP accept 200K for Search

[Macushla]

They're searching?

I think someone (private OR the media) would NOTICE a group of searchers in one location.... considering Caylee's disappearance has been in the news constantly.


And if you're going to argue that they're searching stealthily so the public isn't even aware of it, I still say if they have locations they're zeroing in on & want to keep that private, then LP's group searching a lake cannot possibly interfere with some secret search in some secret location.

What next, people in Georgia can't conduct any searches either.... because Caylee might have been left in that state???

Once again, I am not arguing that some people should search and others shouldn't or that private citizens should not be allowed to search. ALL I am asking for is a source for the statements that LE is not searching and/or has not been searching for months. I don't like people making statements about what LE is or is not doing without some proof that these statements are true!

 

[Coley]

And how would you explain the expenses of an unmarried individual who fills their own gas tank and buys what they need for a search out of their own pocket? And lest we forget, without a camera to record a find (per TES search rules) for their own self-glorification?

I guess that would be the etc part of the post. :crazy:
IIRC, a searcher with TES did post photo's of one of the searches.

 

[impatientredhead]

The other day while LP and divers were at JB Park and they brought up the bag with the toys in it. It was all caught on film. We were all glued to our TV sets watching them sift through the debris while they searched through the "mirk" for what we thought were bones. That was all done through the love and leadership of LP and his divers. It would be just like that day. What more could they do with $200,000?

That would be the search that was picked up by national news outlets with completely inaccurate and inflamatory information? The one that everyone LE says LP called the media before them? I am aware that cameras were there, but that does not mean additional calls were not made to other outlets (like the national ones)...

but I digress my real concern would be that when LP was asked about the bones being reported on the news he said he had no idea, that he hadn't seen anything they had removed. He was the head honcho, no? People on his team were pulling bags out of the water, opening them and going thru the contents with no guidelines? And people were communicating inaccurate info the press.

If you want to run a search and you like to be on camera, you need to have better control than that. I would hope his next search would be set up with the parks department so he could have the crowds held back at a distance where they cannot see what is taken out of the water, a tent would a simple suggestion. If his groups are going to be so big that he can't supervise them he needs to put people in charge of smaller groups, people he can trust to do the appropriate thing. Then he wouldn't be being criticized on TV and among LE/FBI, people who he had good relationships with prior to this.

Assuming that the wave of coverage was not wanted I am sure he would want to learn from that experience, unless that wave of attention was exactly what he wanted. What is the saying, there is no bad press?

 

[Coley]

LOL!

The only feeling I got at seeing that unfold was that LE was totally embarrassed that they didn't have the foresight to assign an officer to the area in the event that something WAS found.

They came barging in whining that the media was there doing what the media does.... reporting.

Late to the party & in a pissy mood.

Or someone who can tell "rocks" apart from bones :crazy:

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

I have no problem with your thoughts on who should search. I do have a problem when people state that LE has not searched for months or has given up searching when I have not read, seen or heard any such thing. I want them to either stop saying it or give me a source to back up their statements.

I assume you are addressing me?? If you say LE are actively searching, then give me the link. Last we saw of them searching was them helping out TES and donating $5000 to the search when they came to town on the earlier ocassion. Where do you say they've been searching???

 

[Elphaba]

In the unlikely event LP found anything of value Baez and his crew would have a field day discrediting LP and the Evidence.

Excellent point...

 

[Baznme]

I guess that would be the etc part of the post. :crazy:
IIRC, a searcher with TES did post photo's of one of the searches.

That person will never be part of another search, guaranteed!

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I voted NO also. In the unlikely event LP found anything of value Baez and his crew would have a field day discrediting LP and the Evidence. LP may be good at finding bondjumpers, that's a far cry from finding human remains. I appreciate his efforts in continuing to searc, but it seems to me that this has turned into a personal battle for him against the A.

He got slapped when he was shown up by KC keeping her mouth shut. How many more rings have to added to this circus.

Caylee may never be found.
LMO

The evidence would be no less credible than if you or I found her body. Maybe even more credible than an innocent bystander somewhere found her.

What makes the evidence credible is the method it is handled when found. LP's divers used exactly the correct protocol and called the sheriff's department, so what makes anyone think it would be any different the next time? I noticed the divers even used gloves to touch anything involved with their find. These divers are not novices in searches.

 

[LeLe1953]

Who? Where?? I assume you mean CA and KFN?

AGAIN, TES has apx 100 members on the ground in Orlando who are doing searches & following up on information. By leaving a group who Tim trust to do a good job in Orlando, he & his team were able to move on the NC for 2 searches. We had 2 different teams in 2 different locations. It is NOT the first time either of these searches have been done, nor is it the last. Tim & his team have moved on, the searches here continue. The families are not mad he has left, they are grateful for the teams he has put together & those who continue to search with the direction & help of TES.

 

[Baznme]

Excellent point...

Thus......interfering with the LE investigation. This kind of thing is what I am talking about. It could turn into a real mess.

 

[maconrich]

I don't know.

Honestly I don't believe it's in LP's best interest to do so. I think local LE and the FBI are out to do him in order to get him to back off.

I'm sorry if this offends anyone in LE or any of the abc orgs, but IMO these guys down in FL are acting like male dogs pissing on everything to mark their territory and they don't want LP anywhere near where Caylee might be.

OTOH I tend to think LP might be one of the last who is on Caylee's side. For that reason I can see him going back, but I don't believe it's in his best interests to do so.

I guess it's pretty obvious that I'm less than happy with the OCSO, FDLE, FBI and whoever else is involved in this case. Finding Caylee's remains doesn't seem to be a top priority for them and I find their machismo displays annoying at best.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Or someone who can tell "rocks" apart from bones :crazy:

That "rocks" statement has me puzzled. There are not rocks in the river bottoms in Florida. I am not sure I believe the "rock" story at all.

 

[Macushla]

That would be the search that was picked up by national news outlets with completely inaccurate and inflamatory information? The one that everyone LE says LP called the media before them? I am aware that cameras were there, but that does not mean additional calls were not made to other outlets (like the national ones)...

but I digress my real concern would be that when LP was asked about the bones being reported on the news he said he had no idea, that he hadn't seen anything they had removed. He was the head honcho, no? People on his team were pulling bags out of the water, opening them and going thru the contents with no guidelines? And people were communicating inaccurate info the press.

If you want to run a search and you like to be on camera, you need to have better control than that. I would hope his next search would be set up with the parks department so he could have the crowds held back at a distance where they cannot see what is taken out of the water, a tent would a simple suggestion. If his groups are going to be so big that he can't supervise them he needs to put people in charge of smaller groups, people he can trust to do the appropriate thing. Then he wouldn't be being criticized on TV and among LE/FBI, people who he had good relationships with prior to this.

Assuming that the wave of coverage was not wanted I am sure he would want to learn from that experience, unless that wave of attention was exactly what he wanted. What is the saying, there is no bad press?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::woohoo: I wish there was an icon for standing ovation - I woud have used it. Bravo, well put, hear, hear, you said it Sistah/Brothah

 

[Coley]

That person will never be part of another search, guaranteed!

I bet. But what I am trying to get at is regardless of who someone is searching with something will get out through some type of media device-computer, tv, etc.

 

[Coley]

That "rocks" statement has me puzzled. There are not rocks in the river bottoms in Florida. I am not sure I believe the "rock" story at all.

I didn't believe it when they took the "rocks" away on a stretcher with a little white blanket. Can't fool me.

 

[shadow of my mind]

I voted yes.

Media films events and puts the footage on air. Advertisers buy time to sell a product or promote something. So in effect they are paid for the footage of that burning building, the carnage of a car wreck, the pain and suffering of a victim or member of a family that speaks to them. We watch it.

Nike or Reebok or any number of other sports companies give money and product to the athlete and without that sponsor they would not have the funds to pay for equipment, training and travel. They sponsor the Olympic athlete. The event is filmed and the footage is aired and advertiser buys time to sell a product or promote something. We watch it.

Someone is lost in a snowstorm on a mountaintop, in an avalanche, trapped beneath collapsed building, comminutes are evacuated from a fire zone. It is filmed, and shown as a documentary on how people were saved, how responders do what they do how people are found alive or dead and the footage is aired and advertiser by time to sell a product or promote something. We watch it.

During a war the conflict it is filmed and shown not only on the ‘news’ but as a documentary of the weapons that are used, the men and women fighting and the places that it happens and the footage is aired and advertisers buy time to sell a product or promote something. We watch it.

LP gets $200,000.00 to pay for personal and equipment to search allowing footage to be filmed of how and where they search for Caylee. It will be edited, made into a documentary and aired and advertisers will buy time to sell a product or promote something. We will watch it.

LP may also find her body. He may not. But at least he looked and now others will be able to learn by watching. Someone may be inspired to become a search and rescue specialist, volunteer in other searches for missing people. Expose more people to the emotional roller costar that happens when a child is presumed dead and lost. Become a member of LE, a diver, a medic, a journalist, a photographer, a producer or even a bounty hunter.

The cost of a documentary (Australia; the only place I could quick find a figure from) $334,037 in 2006 dollars for one hour of broadcast time.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I bet. But what I am trying to get at is regardless of who someone is searching with something will get out through some type of media device-computer, tv, etc.

TES has found many items that were sent for testing. Can you list them?

 

[Macushla]

I assume you are addressing me?? If you say LE are actively searching, then give me the link. Last we saw of them searching was them helping out TES and donating $5000 to the search when they came to town on the earlier ocassion. Where do you say they've been searching???

As I said in my first response to your original post - I don't know whether they are or not. You seem to be certain they are not searching and I asked for some link or proof to back up your statement, that's all.

 

[LeLe1953]

Well, thank you but there are others right here on this thread that share in what I am saying. We want her found badly enough to keep looking. Days off for us are out in the woods, around the ponds and lakes, etc. We also want to expand our group so keep that in mind. I just wanted people to be aware that just because TES pulled the RV out doesn't mean the search has ended. We try to fly under the radar and I'm sure you understand why.

:clap::clap: Thank you. A true searcher is not the one who pulls out a cell phone to phone a friend and say " OMG, you are never going to believe what we just found" OR take out cell phones to take pix they shouldnt be taking.
They just search, forgetting they are tired, wet, dirty & hungry.

 

[Baznme]

I bet. But what I am trying to get at is regardless of who someone is searching with something will get out through some type of media device-computer, tv, etc.

Got your point. Thanks