Pope Francis has died, Vatican says, 21 Apr 2025

[Dotta]

Ummm...
Talking of dress code...

"Crowned heads and representatives of states from all over the world attended Pope Francis' funeral.

They were accompanied by first ladies.
Did all stick to the rigid protocol?

Strict protocol applies to funeral ceremonies in Vatican.​

Even the British Royal Family
does not have such strict rules
that are expected to be respected in Vatican.

There is no talk here of individualism, fashion, or standing out from the crowd.

"Interestingly,
even the most important guests of Vatican had to adapt to the requirements of the ceremony.

Men must wear black suits and black ties,
while women must wear black dresses at least to the knees,
gloves and a black veil.

The only permissible decoration of the outfit may be a string of pearls.

The Holy See does not provide for exceptions to these rules for anyone' -
said Radio VOX FM journalist.

However,
not all ladies complied with these requirements.

Brigitte Macron opted for a slightly more casual outfit.
Although her creation met the requirements of color and length
(she wore a black dress and a black coat),
it was her belt with a large, silver buckle that caught the eye.
She also decided not to cover her head,
and she did not have gloves with her.

Melania Trump decided to cover her head with a mantilla,
sitting in the front row, right next to her husband.
Her modest black coat and the cross hanging around her neck are certainly in line with protocol,
although she also did not wear gloves.

Her husband, on the other hand,
clearly broke the rules by appearing in a blue suit with a matching tie."

IMO
Both Ladies looked very elegant.
But
I'm not a member of Dress Code Police.

Pierwsze damy na pogrzebie papieża Franciszka. Nie wszystkie dotrzymały protokołu

Na pogrzebie papieża Franciszka pojawiły się koronowane głowy i przedstawiciele państw z całego świata. Towarzyszyły im pierwsze damy. Nie wszystkie trzymały się sztywnego protokołu?

jastrzabpost.pl

 

[Dotta]

"Pope Francis has been buried, Vatican says​

Pope Francis
has now been buried,
a Vatican spokesperson has said.

He was entombed during a private, closed ceremony at the Basilica of Santa Maria Maggiore
that lasted around half and hour.

'The [burial] rite took place according to the prescriptions of the Ordo Exsequiarum Romani Pontificis,
presided over by the Cardinal Camerlengo,
in the presence of those indicated in the relevant Notification of the Office of Liturgical Celebrations
and the relatives of the deceased Pope,
and concluded at 1.30pm',
a Vatican statement read."

Pope Francis funeral live: Pope is buried in simple underground tomb

MAILONLINE BLOG: Recap our coverage from Pope Francis's funeral as world leaders gather in Rome. Francis died on Easter Monday after 13 years in the Vatican.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Dotta]

"Mayor of Rome praises​

'extraordinary and exceptional event' ​

as he thanks citizens.​

Mayor of Rome Roberto Gualtieri
has praised the Pope's funeral as
'an extraordinary and exceptional event that will mark history'
as he thanked citizens for making the day possible.

'I would like to express my most sincere gratitude to all the institutions,
to the Government,
to Prefect Giannini,
to Police Chief Massucci,
to the Head of National Civil Protection Ciciliano,
to the police forces and the armed forces,
to the Region and to the Metropolitan City'.

'A heartfelt thanks to all the structures of Rome Capital,
to the Municipal Operations Center,
to our Capitoline Civil Protection and its many volunteers,
to the Local Police'.

'A coordinated system that worked tirelessly,
with professionalism and dedication,
to contribute to the full success of a planetary event of extraordinary spiritual significance
and of great logistical complexity'.

'With its most beautiful face,
in homage to the Holy Father who loved it so much,
Rome was able to welcome,
in safety and order,
the many faithful and representatives of countries from every part of the Earth,
demonstrating once again its character as a modern capital
and a universal, open and inclusive city'."

Pope Francis funeral live: Pope is buried in simple underground tomb

MAILONLINE BLOG: Recap our coverage from Pope Francis's funeral as world leaders gather in Rome. Francis died on Easter Monday after 13 years in the Vatican.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Herat]

It seems that the US president thinks that dess code is something that only applies to others when they meet him, and not to him when paying respect at a funeral of the pope. Even Zelensky wore black out of respect. Or might it be that others visiting him no longer have to follow 'DT:s opinion' on how to dress when meeting him?

Donald Trump's 'major blunder' as he pays respect at funeral of Pope Francis

President Donald Trump has been accused of being "disrespectful" while attending the funeral of Pope Francis. Mourners spotted what they think is a quite a big mistake

www.irishstar.com

He has plenty of black suits, we see him wear them all the time.

I have a feeling this is a deliberate move for attention, being in a very obviously BLUE suit, not even a really dark blue that is not that much different than black.

That suit is not appropriate for the funeral of a Pope. <modsnip>

 

[Sundog]

It seems that the US president thinks that dess code is something that only applies to others when they meet him, and not to him when paying respect at a funeral of the pope. Even Zelensky wore black out of respect. Or might it be that others visiting him no longer have to follow 'DT:s opinion' on how to dress when meeting him?

Donald Trump's 'major blunder' as he pays respect at funeral of Pope Francis

President Donald Trump has been accused of being "disrespectful" while attending the funeral of Pope Francis. Mourners spotted what they think is a quite a big mistake

www.irishstar.com

It's a shame that some in the media want to deride President Trump at a time like this. IMO, it says more about them than about the President. Sad that they have nothing better to focus on.

 

[HmmMysterious]

It's a shame that some in the media want to deride President Trump at a time like this. IMO, it says more about them than about the President. Sad that they have nothing better to focus on.

He should've worn a black suit then like the dress code mandated.

 

[Sundog]

View attachment 581754"White roses and humble inscriptions: ​

How the Pope is to be buried.​

Mourners of Pope Francis have been seen holding white roses
outside the Santa Maria Maggiore church.

The white roses are said to represent the purity of the Virgin Mary.

Baskets of the flowers
were also brought in to the area where the Pope will be buried by local children.

The Pope
is set to be buried alongside a beloved portrait of Mary and baby Jesus,
which was given to his predecessor in 593 AD.

His coffin bears an inscription which translates as:

'Lowly but Chosen'."

View attachment 581755

Rest in Peace

Pope Francis funeral live: Pope is buried in simple underground tomb

MAILONLINE BLOG: Recap our coverage from Pope Francis's funeral as world leaders gather in Rome. Francis died on Easter Monday after 13 years in the Vatican.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Love the photo of the man holding the single white rose (first photo in post above). Pope Francis said that he would often receive a white rose after he would pray to Ste Therese of Lisieux (known as Ste Therese, The Little Flower) asking for her intercession, then someone would inevitably soon after give him a single white rose, which Pope Francis took as a sign that Ste Therese heard his prayer and was, indeed, interceding on his behalf.

Pope Francis also always brought white roses when he would pray before the Byzantine icon known as Mary Salus Populi Romani (Mary Protectress of the Roman People) at the basilica where he was buried today, the Basilica of St Mary Major in Rome.

So the photo of the person holding a simple white rose behind a gate is a profound and spiritual gesture for Pope Francis.

 

[Sundog]

Pope Francis's nephew remembers father figure 'Uncle Jorge'

José Ignacio Bergoglio tells the BBC of the special relationship he had with his uncle who became Pope Francis.

www.bbc.com

To his family, Pope Francis was simply "Jorge Mario" - even during the 12 years that he was pontiff.

"When Jorge decided to accept the papacy, he understood his life as he knew it would change forever, and so did we," the Pope's nephew, José Ignacio Bergoglio, told BBC News Mundo.

"When we heard of his passing, it came with a certain comfort to the soul, because we knew our loved one was finally at peace, and once again, he was simply our Uncle Jorge."

 

[Sillybilly]

Okay folks, the thread is about the pope and his funeral. Let's keep it classy and move past critique of attire. I highly doubt Pope Francis would care.

 

[Dotta]

My country - Poland - remembers Pope Francesco very well.

The apostolic journey of Pope Francis to Poland took place on July 27-31, 2016.

Franciszek's journey to Poland included three cities: Kraków, Częstochowa and Oświęcim (Auschwitz).

The goal of the journey was in particular to meet Catholic youth from around the world during
31st World Youth Day in Krakow.

Papa Francesco meeting with singing volunteers.
Magical happy times

​

World Youth Day in Poland archive Polish TV

 

[detective.moon]

The nine-day mourning period, officially the “novemdiales,” began yesterday. Ever since the death of Francis, the cardinals present in Rome have been meeting every day. Their number is growing by the day as cardinals from the far corners of the world also arrive in Rome.

The cardinals will preside at Masses in the Roman churches to which they are attached as cardinals, but during the “novemdiales,” it is also already campaign time for the cardinals. The cardinals exchange views on the future of the Church and who should lead it.

All have taken an oath of secrecy so that officially no information about the content of their meetings can come out.

In the coming days, they must first decide when conclave will begin. During that closed session, the new pope will be elected.

Only cardinals who were under 80 years old on the day of Francis' death are allowed to vote in the conclave. Currently, there are 135 of them. It is unclear whether all of them will participate in the conclave because some may not be able to attend due to health problems.

Pope Francis has appointed 110 voting cardinals in his more than 12-year papacy. Many of those cardinals haven’t met each other before and will have to get to know each other during this period of mourning. They also recruit their information about possible candidates through the Internet and give interviews to journalists.

A day before conclave, all cardinals move into Casa Santa Marta, the Vatican's guesthouse. From then on, the cardinals are cut off from the outside world so that their choices cannot be further influenced. Voting they do in famous the Sistine Chapel.

That chapel is protected from eavesdropping by a complex electronic system. Also, all personnel, from Casa Santa Marta to security, must take an oath of secrecy.

After an initial vote on the first night of the conclave, they will cast their votes twice every morning and every afternoon until the new pope is elected. To do so, someone must get two-thirds of the vote. The conclave is expected to last two to three days, but if the cardinals don't come to an agreement quickly, it could take longer.

Publiek bezoekt graf Franciscus, Vaticaan maakt zich op voor conclaaf

Volgende week zal in de Sixtijnse Kapel in Vaticaanstad het conclaaf beginnen. De exacte datum is nog niet bekend.

nos.nl

 

[Dotta]

"The faithful can now visit Pope's grave.​

In Rome's Basilica of Saint Mary Major,
visitors can visit the tomb of Pope Francis,
who was buried there, as he wished.

The first of eight masses during the mourning period
will be celebrated in St. Peter's Square by the current Secretary of State,
Cardinal Pietro Parolin."

Pogrzeb papieża Franciszka. Wierni mogą odwiedzić jego grób

W rzymskiej bazylice Matki Bożej Większej od niedzieli rano można odwiedzać grób papieża Franciszka, który zgodnie ze swoją wolą został w niej pochowany dzień wcześniej. Pierwszą z ośmiu mszy w okresie żałoby odprawi na placu Świętego Piotra dotychczasowy sekretarz stanu kardynał Pietro Parolin.

wiadomosci.onet.pl

 

[detective.moon]

the conclave will start on the 7th of may! the last two times it took two days.

Conclaaf om nieuwe paus te kiezen begint 7 mei

Alleen de kardinalen die nog geen 80 jaar oud waren op de dag van het overlijden van Franciscus mogen stemmen in het conclaaf.

nos.nl

 

[Dotta]

the conclave will start on the 7th of may! the last two times it took two days.

Conclaaf om nieuwe paus te kiezen begint 7 mei

Alleen de kardinalen die nog geen 80 jaar oud waren op de dag van het overlijden van Franciscus mogen stemmen in het conclaaf.

nos.nl

According to Vatican expert John L. Allen

("The man who chose the Pope" –
Time magazine wrote about Allen in 2013
as he was one of the few who pointed to Jorge Bergoglio back then,
when no one even mentioned his name.)

'The previous two conclaves lasted less than two days.
Both Benedict's election in 2005 and Francis' election in 2013 took about a day and a half.

That would suggest a short time in this case too,
but as I said,
many cardinals simply don't know each other and the procedure well.

It could take longer,
although I would be shocked if we waited more than 4-5 days.

If we go beyond 5 days,
then we could talk about a blockade and paralysis'.

Also:

'I will only say this:
everything indicates that this choice will surprise us.

It is a famous Roman saying:
'He who enters the conclave as Pope,
comes out as Cardinal'.

It is often nonsense,
but this time it may be true.

I won't tell you 'who' -
but I will tell you 'what',
there's a huge surprise ahead of us'."

Much more in the link.
Very interesting interview.
Click Translate as it is from my country's MSM

Kardynał Burke "odpada", ale jest ktoś inny. Słynny watykanista odsłania kulisy gry o papiestwo [WYWIAD]

Watykan wchodzi w czas ciszy i decyzji, które mogą zmienić Kościół na pokolenia. 133 elektorów, ukryte napięcia, brak zaufania i... zaskoczenie, które "jest nieuniknione". Watykanista John L. Allen w rozmowie z...

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[BetteDavisEyes]

Conclave to elect Pope Francis' successor to begin May 7

Francis was laid to rest Saturday as world leaders and hundreds of thousands of mourners descended upon the Vatican to pay their respects.

www.nbcnews.com

Cardinals will gather for the papal conclave — the centuries-old tradition through which a new head of the Catholic Church is elected — starting May 7, Vatican spokesperson Matteo Bruni said Monday.

The announcement comes after Pope Francis was laid to rest Saturday in a ceremony that saw world leaders and hundreds of thousands of mourners descend upon the Vatican to pay their respects.

Francis died a week ago Easter Monday, at the age of 88 after a protracted health battle that hospitalized him for weeks...

 

[Sundog]

In final act of mercy, Pope Francis donates entire private bank account to prisoners

The 200,000 euro donation captures the very essence of Francis' pontificate, said Bishop Benoni Ambarus, auxiliary Bishop of Rome.

www.ncronline.org

 

[Sundog]

dbm duplicate

 

[Charlot123]

Ummm...
Talking of dress code...

"Crowned heads and representatives of states from all over the world attended Pope Francis' funeral.

They were accompanied by first ladies.
Did all stick to the rigid protocol?

Strict protocol applies to funeral ceremonies in Vatican.​

Even the British Royal Family
does not have such strict rules
that are expected to be respected in Vatican.

There is no talk here of individualism, fashion, or standing out from the crowd.

"Interestingly,
even the most important guests of Vatican had to adapt to the requirements of the ceremony.

Men must wear black suits and black ties,
while women must wear black dresses at least to the knees,
gloves and a black veil.

The only permissible decoration of the outfit may be a string of pearls.

The Holy See does not provide for exceptions to these rules for anyone' -
said Radio VOX FM journalist.

However,
not all ladies complied with these requirements.

Brigitte Macron opted for a slightly more casual outfit.
Although her creation met the requirements of color and length
(she wore a black dress and a black coat),
it was her belt with a large, silver buckle that caught the eye.
She also decided not to cover her head,
and she did not have gloves with her.

View attachment 581765

Melania Trump decided to cover her head with a mantilla,
sitting in the front row, right next to her husband.
Her modest black coat and the cross hanging around her neck are certainly in line with protocol,
although she also did not wear gloves.

Her husband, on the other hand,
clearly broke the rules by appearing in a blue suit with a matching tie."

View attachment 581764

IMO
Both Ladies looked very elegant.
But
I'm not a member of Dress Code Police.

Pierwsze damy na pogrzebie papieża Franciszka. Nie wszystkie dotrzymały protokołu

Na pogrzebie papieża Franciszka pojawiły się koronowane głowy i przedstawiciele państw z całego świata. Towarzyszyły im pierwsze damy. Nie wszystkie trzymały się sztywnego protokołu?

jastrzabpost.pl

You know,

Of all the people, the late Pope Francis would have probably forgiven people if they showed up at his funeral dressed not according to the protocol.

I think he’d ask people to be less showy and more Christ-like.

And maybe, spend less money on the protocol and to give their savings to humans.

It is interesting. The Pope was presiding over one of the most politicized organizations in the world. His nomination- the first Pope from South America - was also very political.

But he, he himself was sincere. And managed to keep his sincerity amidst the inevitable bureaucracy. He tried to say less and do more.

 

[Charlot123]

According to Vatican expert John L. Allen

("The man who chose the Pope" –
Time magazine wrote about Allen in 2013
as he was one of the few who pointed to Jorge Bergoglio back then,
when no one even mentioned his name.)

'The previous two conclaves lasted less than two days.
Both Benedict's election in 2005 and Francis' election in 2013 took about a day and a half.

That would suggest a short time in this case too,
but as I said,
many cardinals simply don't know each other and the procedure well.

It could take longer,
although I would be shocked if we waited more than 4-5 days.

If we go beyond 5 days,
then we could talk about a blockade and paralysis'.

Also:

'I will only say this:
everything indicates that this choice will surprise us.

It is a famous Roman saying:
'He who enters the conclave as Pope,
comes out as Cardinal'.

It is often nonsense,
but this time it may be true.

I won't tell you 'who' -
but I will tell you 'what',
there's a huge surprise ahead of us'."

Much more in the link.
Very interesting interview.
Click Translate as it is from my country's MSM

Kardynał Burke "odpada", ale jest ktoś inny. Słynny watykanista odsłania kulisy gry o papiestwo [WYWIAD]

Watykan wchodzi w czas ciszy i decyzji, które mogą zmienić Kościół na pokolenia. 133 elektorów, ukryte napięcia, brak zaufania i... zaskoczenie, które "jest nieuniknione". Watykanista John L. Allen w rozmowie z...

wiadomosci.wp.pl

Well, it is still a politicized organization.

The power of any religion might be waning in the XXI century, especially in highly urbanized areas, but Vatican would not survive over so many centuries if it were not flexible.

The choice of an Argentinian Jesuit priest was unsurprising - it merely demonstrated where the church saw its future strength and hope.

So… the choice of the next Pope would not be surprising. It would be politically telling.

They just have to choose a flexible person. Some old traditions might impede the church’s growth, and certain changes are dire. The church has been thinking of them. I thought Pope Francis would have implemented some, but the COVID has pulled us all back.

 

[Dotta]

Interesting theory by yet another Vatican expert

"He also points out
that the main criterion that the cardinals may be guided by
will be the age of the potential Pope.

'The cardinals will not want to choose a young cardinal as Pope,
so as not to set the Church in stone for the next 20-25 years,
even if he was the best candidate.

Today,
people live long lives,
Pope Francis died at the age of 88,
Benedict XVI - 95.

The cardinals remember well the pontificate of John Paul II, which began revolutionary and ended with stagnation and the setting of doctrine in stone',
he says.

'That is why it may happen that this time the cardinals will want to choose a transitional Pope,
whose pontificate will potentially not be long',
he adds."

Czy możliwy jest wybór czarnoskórego papieża? W grze kilka znanych nazwisk

Kardynałowie w pierwszej połowie maja wybiorą nowego papieża. Jeszcze przed śmiercią Franciszka w mediach pojawiały się spekulacje pierwszych potencjalnych "papabile". Najbardziej elektryzującym pytaniem jest...

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